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Knixkik
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7/9/2012  6:55 PM
ESPN.com is doing an entire week of the impact of the Big 3 model and it looks like tomorrow they will be ranking the top Big 3s. It's understood that our Big 3 of Anthony, Stoudemire, and Chandler was unsuccessful last season as far as expectations go, but i think this year presents a better opportunity (with an offseason of training, training camp, and preseason) for the group to excel. Lin is quickly becoming a major factor on the outside of the Big 3 looking in, similar to Rondo from the early years, but it is still safe to assume that until he continues his success he is our 4th best player. Here is how i would rank Big 3s right now.

1. Miami (James, Wade, Bosh)
2. OKC (Durant, Westbrook, Harden)
3. LAL (Bryant, Bynum, Nash) Gasol is close but no long part of it.
4. Boston (Rondo, Garnett, Pierce)
5. NYK (Anthony, Chandler, Stoudemire)

-Runners up would be LAC (Paul, Griffin, Jordan), Memphis (Gay, Gasol, Randolph) and SAS (Duncan, Parker, Ginobili)
-If Nets get Howard, the Big 3 of Howard, Williams, and Johnson probably becomes 3rd or 4th.
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7/9/2012  7:00 PM
Memphis and SAS have a better BIG3 than ours...lol
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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7/9/2012  7:12 PM
callmened wrote:Memphis and SAS have a better BIG3 than ours...lol

I disagree. The NY big 3 hasn't really played a lot together but they started to look good for the brief time they played with Lin. Much of their success depends on a good PG just as Celtics depend on Rondo. I think both STAT n Melo will be healthy and coming in off a full summer to work on their games which they didn't have last year!
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7/9/2012  7:33 PM
nixluva wrote:
callmened wrote:Memphis and SAS have a better BIG3 than ours...lol

I disagree. The NY big 3 hasn't really played a lot together but they started to look good for the brief time they played with Lin. Much of their success depends on a good PG just as Celtics depend on Rondo. I think both STAT n Melo will be healthy and coming in off a full summer to work on their games which they didn't have last year!


I would disagree to. Anthony and Stoudemire are both perennial all-stars. Anthony is a top 10 nba player and Stoudemire is still top 25 or 30 until he has another real bad year. Chandler is safely a top-25 player consider he's the top defensive player and most efficent offensive player in the league. Their fit together can be questioned, but as far as building a team, they are far superior to those team's Big 3s.
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7/10/2012  5:36 AM
Up to this point our big 3 hasn't been all that good. This is the year they really have to put it together. They have no excuses.
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7/10/2012  7:56 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/10/2012  7:58 AM
How can anyone argue that we have a better big 3 than SAS? They have won championships and just made it to the WCF.

We are probably #6 or #7 on the list right now. I would put the clippers in front of us because Paul and Griffin alone are better than 2/3 of our big 3. That doesn't mean we are bad - but we need to gel and put together a deep bench that can keep us in games when our starters are out. I am more concerned about the team as a whole than just 3 players.

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7/10/2012  8:47 AM
OasisBU wrote:How can anyone argue that we have a better big 3 than SAS? They have won championships and just made it to the WCF.

We are probably #6 or #7 on the list right now. I would put the clippers in front of us because Paul and Griffin alone are better than 2/3 of our big 3. That doesn't mean we are bad - but we need to gel and put together a deep bench that can keep us in games when our starters are out. I am more concerned about the team as a whole than just 3 players.


Agreed. Parker just had a fantastic year and both him and Manu are better than any player on our roster. Memphis has nice players but Zach had a down year and it was their defense that carried them. They were around 7 in def effeciency and 20th offensively. Very similar to us
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7/10/2012  8:50 AM
Weakest big three, best supporting cast.

Unless Lin steps up big time.

Also, you accidentally put Amar'e in the Big 3 instead of Lin.

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7/10/2012  9:56 AM
crzymdups wrote:Weakest big three, best supporting cast.

Unless Lin steps up big time.

Also, you accidentally put Amar'e in the Big 3 instead of Lin.


Agreed; our big 3 is in the bottom half but our supporting cast is excellent.
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7/10/2012  10:04 AM
If Nets get howard they are #2.
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7/10/2012  10:12 AM
crzymdups wrote:
Also, you accidentally put Amar'e in the Big 3 instead of Lin.

If not Lin, you could have said that about most of our players (instead of Amare)
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7/10/2012  10:15 AM

Miami
OKC
SAS
LAL
Nyets
KNK
LAC

Celts no longer big three.

This is not how I rank teams btw but as I see top heavy teams.

Nyets I assume with Howard. Yes, Howard (healthy)Deron and JJ are better fitting than our Three.

My expectation is our depth and by default our chemistry should be further along than Nyets.

So I expect Knicks to finish ahead of Brooklyn this season but their three is ranked higher.

SAS on paper is old and not with the glamour but those cagy old phuchers made a hell of a run this year!

LAL are very dangerous. Don't write off Pau so fast. They could fix it.

Clips are nice team but fundamentals lack to some degree. Jordan and Griff are freaks and fun to watch. They are good because they have athletes.
CP3 is a hell of a player.
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7/10/2012  10:16 AM
we really dont have a big 3... but the team is pretty good.
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7/10/2012  10:22 AM
fishmike wrote:we really dont have a big 3... but the team is pretty good.

+1 (believe it or not).
Grunwald inherited a disaster but with a lot of luck and great decision-making, has brought in many good players.
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7/10/2012  10:34 AM
tj23 wrote:
OasisBU wrote:How can anyone argue that we have a better big 3 than SAS? They have won championships and just made it to the WCF.

We are probably #6 or #7 on the list right now. I would put the clippers in front of us because Paul and Griffin alone are better than 2/3 of our big 3. That doesn't mean we are bad - but we need to gel and put together a deep bench that can keep us in games when our starters are out. I am more concerned about the team as a whole than just 3 players.


Agreed. Parker just had a fantastic year and both him and Manu are better than any player on our roster. Memphis has nice players but Zach had a down year and it was their defense that carried them. They were around 7 in def effeciency and 20th offensively. Very similar to us

After thinking about it, i would put SAS ahead of Knicks because of what they have accomplished. But saying Parker and Manu are both better than Anthony is taking it a little too far.
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7/10/2012  10:44 AM
Knixkik wrote:
tj23 wrote:
OasisBU wrote:How can anyone argue that we have a better big 3 than SAS? They have won championships and just made it to the WCF.

We are probably #6 or #7 on the list right now. I would put the clippers in front of us because Paul and Griffin alone are better than 2/3 of our big 3. That doesn't mean we are bad - but we need to gel and put together a deep bench that can keep us in games when our starters are out. I am more concerned about the team as a whole than just 3 players.


Agreed. Parker just had a fantastic year and both him and Manu are better than any player on our roster. Memphis has nice players but Zach had a down year and it was their defense that carried them. They were around 7 in def effeciency and 20th offensively. Very similar to us

After thinking about it, i would put SAS ahead of Knicks because of what they have accomplished. But saying Parker and Manu are both better than Anthony is taking it a little too far.

I think one problem is Anthony and Stat both had really bad years this past season.

And for those of us who didn't want to trade for Anthony - we have yet to see if he is more than just an inefficient chucker, or if he can in fact live up to some of his clutch stats.
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7/10/2012  10:50 AM
franco12 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
tj23 wrote:
OasisBU wrote:How can anyone argue that we have a better big 3 than SAS? They have won championships and just made it to the WCF.

We are probably #6 or #7 on the list right now. I would put the clippers in front of us because Paul and Griffin alone are better than 2/3 of our big 3. That doesn't mean we are bad - but we need to gel and put together a deep bench that can keep us in games when our starters are out. I am more concerned about the team as a whole than just 3 players.


Agreed. Parker just had a fantastic year and both him and Manu are better than any player on our roster. Memphis has nice players but Zach had a down year and it was their defense that carried them. They were around 7 in def effeciency and 20th offensively. Very similar to us

After thinking about it, i would put SAS ahead of Knicks because of what they have accomplished. But saying Parker and Manu are both better than Anthony is taking it a little too far.

I think one problem is Anthony and Stat both had really bad years this past season.

And for those of us who didn't want to trade for Anthony - we have yet to see if he is more than just an inefficient chucker, or if he can in fact live up to some of his clutch stats.

he can live up.. I have no doubt of that. Melo can finish with anyone. The problem is can he NOT be a volume chucker WHILE he's living up to his clutch stats.

We just dont need Melo taking 25 shots a game to win. Its a bad formula. Get Amare and Chander the ball in the paint first. Feed the guys who score at at > than 50%. Move the ball

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7/10/2012  11:02 AM
fishmike wrote:
franco12 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
tj23 wrote:
OasisBU wrote:How can anyone argue that we have a better big 3 than SAS? They have won championships and just made it to the WCF.

We are probably #6 or #7 on the list right now. I would put the clippers in front of us because Paul and Griffin alone are better than 2/3 of our big 3. That doesn't mean we are bad - but we need to gel and put together a deep bench that can keep us in games when our starters are out. I am more concerned about the team as a whole than just 3 players.


Agreed. Parker just had a fantastic year and both him and Manu are better than any player on our roster. Memphis has nice players but Zach had a down year and it was their defense that carried them. They were around 7 in def effeciency and 20th offensively. Very similar to us

After thinking about it, i would put SAS ahead of Knicks because of what they have accomplished. But saying Parker and Manu are both better than Anthony is taking it a little too far.

I think one problem is Anthony and Stat both had really bad years this past season.

And for those of us who didn't want to trade for Anthony - we have yet to see if he is more than just an inefficient chucker, or if he can in fact live up to some of his clutch stats.

he can live up.. I have no doubt of that. Melo can finish with anyone. The problem is can he NOT be a volume chucker WHILE he's living up to his clutch stats.

We just dont need Melo taking 25 shots a game to win. Its a bad formula. Get Amare and Chander the ball in the paint first. Feed the guys who score at at > than 50%. Move the ball


I want him taking the most shots, whatever the number is. I just want him taking good shots. I'd like to see him post up more, take it to the rack more, and shot spot up jumpers from dishes. Im not overly concerned with the actual number i'm more concerned with the quality of the shots. But Im a firm believer that ur best player should take the most shots. But there are limits to everything, I don't want an AI type situation and we've got to keep others involved.
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7/10/2012  11:18 AM
Killa4luv wrote:
fishmike wrote:
franco12 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
tj23 wrote:
OasisBU wrote:How can anyone argue that we have a better big 3 than SAS? They have won championships and just made it to the WCF.

We are probably #6 or #7 on the list right now. I would put the clippers in front of us because Paul and Griffin alone are better than 2/3 of our big 3. That doesn't mean we are bad - but we need to gel and put together a deep bench that can keep us in games when our starters are out. I am more concerned about the team as a whole than just 3 players.


Agreed. Parker just had a fantastic year and both him and Manu are better than any player on our roster. Memphis has nice players but Zach had a down year and it was their defense that carried them. They were around 7 in def effeciency and 20th offensively. Very similar to us

After thinking about it, i would put SAS ahead of Knicks because of what they have accomplished. But saying Parker and Manu are both better than Anthony is taking it a little too far.

I think one problem is Anthony and Stat both had really bad years this past season.

And for those of us who didn't want to trade for Anthony - we have yet to see if he is more than just an inefficient chucker, or if he can in fact live up to some of his clutch stats.

he can live up.. I have no doubt of that. Melo can finish with anyone. The problem is can he NOT be a volume chucker WHILE he's living up to his clutch stats.

We just dont need Melo taking 25 shots a game to win. Its a bad formula. Get Amare and Chander the ball in the paint first. Feed the guys who score at at > than 50%. Move the ball


I want him taking the most shots, whatever the number is. I just want him taking good shots. I'd like to see him post up more, take it to the rack more, and shot spot up jumpers from dishes. Im not overly concerned with the actual number i'm more concerned with the quality of the shots. But Im a firm believer that ur best player should take the most shots. But there are limits to everything, I don't want an AI type situation and we've got to keep others involved.
why is Melo a better offensive player than Amare? Their careers would say different... And have you noticed the more shots Anthony takes the worse they get?

When the offense runs through Melo its too easy to defend. Its why his teams are easy to beat in the post season.

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7/10/2012  11:21 AM
Melo can score from anywhere on the floor. In any fashion with or without a pg. Game on the line you are not going to Amare but Gallo, Wilson, Felton & Melo
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