Get it through your heads... we are not riding Melo's 45% to the promise land.

We need to establish high % scoring and Amare is a frontcourt guy who gives you over 50%

Yes he was hurt. Yes he had a bad year. Yes he needs to come back strong. I understand all that, but we are not improving by shipping him out for any of the donkees I see in these daily trade Amare threads.

Talk about his poor defense all you want. He's a 25/8 frontcourt player who scores at 54% for his career, and in his first year with Knicks showed he could do that without an MVP PG. He also led the NBA in 4th qtr scoring for much of that season. He's PROVEN he can win playoff series as the #1 scoring option.

You can rip apart all his shortcomings all you want, but go give me a list of guys who average 25/8 on more than 50%. Thats going to be a very short and small list. Thats because those players are very rare and scoring that volume at that % is a HUGE commoditiy.

If the Knicks are going to be elite we need good PG play, but we also need this guy back and being one of, if not THE primary scoring options. Melo is an amazing finisher. We will not be an elite team running the offense through Melo. We can be an elite team letting Melo finish every possesion that our high % frontcourt guys dont.

Its far more probably that this guy comes back healthy and returns to all star form than we get anything good for him in a trade.

fishmike wrote:Go look at the elite teams and their best scorers. Lebron average 53% this year and 50% in the playoffs.

Get it through your heads... we are not riding Melo's 45% to the promise land.

We need to establish high % scoring and Amare is a frontcourt guy who gives you over 50%

Yes he was hurt. Yes he had a bad year. Yes he needs to come back strong. I understand all that, but we are not improving by shipping him out for any of the donkees I see in these daily trade Amare threads.

Talk about his poor defense all you want. He's a 25/8 frontcourt player who scores at 54% for his career, and in his first year with Knicks showed he could do that without an MVP PG. He also led the NBA in 4th qtr scoring for much of that season. He's PROVEN he can win playoff series as the #1 scoring option.

You can rip apart all his shortcomings all you want, but go give me a list of guys who average 25/8 on more than 50%. Thats going to be a very short and small list. Thats because those players are very rare and scoring that volume at that % is a HUGE commoditiy.

If the Knicks are going to be elite we need good PG play, but we also need this guy back and being one of, if not THE primary scoring options. Melo is an amazing finisher. We will not be an elite team running the offense through Melo. We can be an elite team letting Melo finish every possesion that our high % frontcourt guys dont.

Its far more probably that this guy comes back healthy and returns to all star form than we get anything good for him in a trade.

Amare's health has rendered him to be unreliable. No one doubts his abilities at all there is no doubt that his past performances are high level accomplishments. You keep harping on Melo but the last two playoffs it's been left on Melo shoulders. Is it Melo's fault that Amare was not honest about his back come the start of the season? Was it Melo's fault that he came in lugging 20lbs of extra weight. Can you imagine had Amare taken the cortisone shot in training camp he would have healed quicker and might have had a decent year.

Amare has to step it up and he knows it he is a workaholic. This team is only ging as far as Amare wants it to go because Melo we know shows up and does his thing. It's the supporting cast that has to come up big. It's been two years and we have experienced a damaged Amare in two straight playoffs.

smackeddog wrote:Agree 100%, the Amar'e hate is getting so boring and ridiculous. He had a bad year- before that he had a good year. So why don't we see if he can turn it around? All these dumb proposals of trading him for terrible players with bad contracts- people do realise he's only got 3 more years on his deal don't they? That means after 2 seasons he's an expiring, so even if he can't get bounce back from last year, it's not the end of the world.

I hate the way Knick fans turn on players in a split second, with such venom. But then people did that with Ewing, and Alan Houston, and Camby etc etc, so it's nothing new.

Yeah ... like those arses that turned on Melo? Or maybe that doesn't count.

callmened wrote:Thank u fish mike...well said...i think what weve realized is that stat is a DEPENDENT player...he cant create on his own...he neess a pg and hopefully lin is he answer

But i agree that we need to embrace stat...and melo

Bonn1997 wrote:Amare has played like crap for 1 1/2 of the 2 years we've had him.

Which coincides with the same amount of time we had a PG who know how to run the pick and roll....

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:Go look at the elite teams and their best scorers. Lebron average 53% this year and 50% in the playoffs.

Get it through your heads... we are not riding Melo's 45% to the promise land.

We need to establish high % scoring and Amare is a frontcourt guy who gives you over 50%

Yes he was hurt. Yes he had a bad year. Yes he needs to come back strong. I understand all that, but we are not improving by shipping him out for any of the donkees I see in these daily trade Amare threads.

Talk about his poor defense all you want. He's a 25/8 frontcourt player who scores at 54% for his career, and in his first year with Knicks showed he could do that without an MVP PG. He also led the NBA in 4th qtr scoring for much of that season. He's PROVEN he can win playoff series as the #1 scoring option.

You can rip apart all his shortcomings all you want, but go give me a list of guys who average 25/8 on more than 50%. Thats going to be a very short and small list. Thats because those players are very rare and scoring that volume at that % is a HUGE commoditiy.

If the Knicks are going to be elite we need good PG play, but we also need this guy back and being one of, if not THE primary scoring options. Melo is an amazing finisher. We will not be an elite team running the offense through Melo. We can be an elite team letting Melo finish every possesion that our high % frontcourt guys dont.

Its far more probably that this guy comes back healthy and returns to all star form than we get anything good for him in a trade.

Amare's health has rendered him to be unreliable. No one doubts his abilities at all there is no doubt that his past performances are high level accomplishments. You keep harping on Melo but the last two playoffs it's been left on Melo shoulders. Is it Melo's fault that Amare was not honest about his back come the start of the season? Was it Melo's fault that he came in lugging 20lbs of extra weight. Can you imagine had Amare taken the cortisone shot in training camp he would have healed quicker and might have had a decent year.

Amare has to step it up and he knows it he is a workaholic. This team is only ging as far as Amare wants it to go because Melo we know shows up and does his thing. It's the supporting cast that has to come up big. It's been two years and we have experienced a damaged Amare in two straight playoffs.

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Amare has played like crap for 1 1/2 of the 2 years we've had him.

Which coincides with the same amount of time we had a PG who know how to run the pick and roll....

So I think that we can all infer that Amare sux ass unless he is on a team that runs the pick and roll predominately. WONDERFUL! What a pity that he never worked on his arsenal so that he is not so one dimensional.

I will take one dimensional if we are in the conference finals next year just fine.