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martin
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6/25/2012  9:34 AM
not sure if this was posted elsewhere:

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2012/06/22/early-bird-rights-ruling-jeremy-lin-knicks/

How ruling helps Knicks in free agency

The NBA was confident — bordering on ****y, really — that the players’ union had zero chance to win a case concerning salary-cap minutiae known as Early Bird Rights. But an arbitrator threw the league for a loop on Friday, ruling in favor of the union. The league said it would appeal.

The ruling is crucial to the Knicks because it affects their ability to re-sign point guard Jeremy Lin (and forward Steve Novak) while retaining financial flexibility to pursue other players. In the simplest terms, Bird Rights allow teams over the salary cap to re-sign their own players. The Knicks are over the projected cap for next season even though only six players have guaranteed money at this point; such is life when you pay Carmelo Anthony and Amar’e Stoudemire $40 million combined. The Knicks claimed Lin and Novak off waivers last season (the Clippers did the same with point guard Chauncey Billups and the Trail Blazers with power forward J.J. Hickson). In the past, Bird Rights haven’t applied to players acquired that way; the collective bargaining agreement specifies that Bird Rights only go to players who have stuck with the same team or changed teams via trade.

The issue hasn’t been too important because teams rarely clamor to keep waiver wire players. The Knicks, of course, are clamoring to keep Lin. If they are allowed to do so via Bird Rights, they can re-sign Lin (and possibly Novak) and retain the mid-level exception, which allows teams over the cap to sign a rival team’s player for up to the league’s average salary (about $5 million per year). Without Bird Rights, the Knicks would have to use the mid-level exception to bring back Lin, which would mean they could not save it to sign another free agent — someone like Steve Nash. But with Bird Rights, they could sign Lin and Novak, and still have the mid-level in reserve.

A win for the union, then, would appear to be a significant victory for the Knicks. And it is. But it is perhaps not as big as it would first appear.

Here’s why: Under the terms of the new CBA, any team that uses the full mid-level exception cannot end with a payroll more than $4 million higher than the luxury-tax line. Because the tax line is expected to stay around $70 million, that hard cap would kick in at $74 million. The rule is designed to discourage spending and equalize payrolls.

Let’s follow the math. The Knicks have $59.4 million committed to six players next season: Anthony, Stoudemire, Tyson Chandler, Toney Douglas, Renaldo Balkman and Iman Shumpert. Pretend the union’s victory in the Bird Rights case is upheld on appeal, and the Knicks offer Lin the maximum allowable $5 million starting salary. (No team is allowed to offer Lin a salary for next season larger than that, for reasons I won’t get into. If you’re interested, read this.)

That contract for Lin increases the payroll to $64.4 million. Tack on the full $5 million mid-level exception for Free Agent X, and the bill comes to $69.4 million for just eight players. As you can see, the math is getting tight. In this scenario, the Knicks have $4.6 million until they hit the new “hard cap” level, and they still have four roster spots to fill. And we haven’t even dealt with Novak or shooting guards J.R. Smith (who has a $2.5 million player option) and Landry Fields (a restricted free agent).

But wait! The CBA allows teams to disregard that hard cap $4 million above the tax line, provided they follow certain conditions. Among them: offering only a smaller version of the mid-level exception rather than the whole thing. Teams can offer that “mini” mid-level, worth about $3 million per year, and spend as much as they’d like.

This is a good news/bad news thing for the Knicks. The bad news, again, is that in practical terms, a favorable ruling in the Bird Rights case would really only open the “mini” mid-level and not the big one. The difference amounts to about $2 million per year in salary. That won’t matter to some free agents, but it will to others, especially if a team with access to the full mid-level (or just cap room) makes a competing offer.

The good news in this favorable Bird Rights scenario is that it would get the Knicks out of using the full mid-level on Lin. Some team is going to offer Lin $5 million, and the Knicks without Bird Rights could only match that by using their full mid-level. Doing so is a double blow: It hurts the Knicks in chasing other free agents and brings the hard cap into play.

The system essentially guarantees that the Knicks can keep Lin if they’d like to. But this Bird Rights case has major implications for what they can do around Lin and the rest of the roster. Stay tuned.

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fishmike
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6/25/2012  9:56 AM
so long as we can keep the guys we have, thats the most important.

If we wanted to fix the cap and the team wouldnt cutting Melo make the most sense?

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6/25/2012  10:15 AM
fishmike wrote:so long as we can keep the guys we have, thats the most important.

If we wanted to fix the cap and the team wouldnt cutting Melo make the most sense?

cutting Melo wouldn't take his contract off the cap. trading he or Amar'e is probably the only real way to fix the cap.

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6/25/2012  10:15 AM
fishmike wrote:so long as we can keep the guys we have, thats the most important.

If we wanted to fix the cap and the team wouldnt cutting Melo make the most sense?

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6/25/2012  10:17 AM
fishmike wrote:so long as we can keep the guys we have, thats the most important.

If we wanted to fix the cap and the team wouldnt cutting Melo make the most sense?


Trading Melo while his value is at an all-time high makes the most sense.
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6/25/2012  10:18 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:so long as we can keep the guys we have, thats the most important.

If we wanted to fix the cap and the team wouldnt cutting Melo make the most sense?


Trading Melo while his value is at an all-time high makes the most sense.

Why would his value be at an ALL TIME HIGH?

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6/25/2012  10:39 AM
crzymdups wrote:
fishmike wrote:so long as we can keep the guys we have, thats the most important.

If we wanted to fix the cap and the team wouldnt cutting Melo make the most sense?

cutting Melo wouldn't take his contract off the cap. trading he or Amar'e is probably the only real way to fix the cap.


I was actually joking... its just I could write a post about how much I loved the Ewing led Knicks and 10 people here would just say its a smokescreen for my Melo hate

Im not really worried about the cap. We need a reliable and high quality backup PG for Lin. Aside from that piece I think the roster is pretty balanced and we are poised to make a nice run for a couple of years here. What we need is Lin to stay healthy.

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6/25/2012  10:52 AM
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:so long as we can keep the guys we have, thats the most important.

If we wanted to fix the cap and the team wouldnt cutting Melo make the most sense?


Trading Melo while his value is at an all-time high makes the most sense.

Why would his value be at an ALL TIME HIGH?


because he had the best 4 week stretch of his career and most people incorrectly think that's a meaningfully large sample (dare I use the word!).
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6/25/2012  11:01 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:so long as we can keep the guys we have, thats the most important.

If we wanted to fix the cap and the team wouldnt cutting Melo make the most sense?


Trading Melo while his value is at an all-time high makes the most sense.

Why would his value be at an ALL TIME HIGH?


because he had the best 4 week stretch of his career and most people incorrectly think that's a meaningfully large sample (dare I use the word!).
not fair or accurate... Melo has had big scoring stretches and big winning stretches... plenty. He's had some pretty big #s over the years. The question is can he change his game and win in the playoffs. Hopefully w/ Lin running the show he can.
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6/25/2012  11:36 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2012  11:37 AM
fishmike wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:so long as we can keep the guys we have, thats the most important.

If we wanted to fix the cap and the team wouldnt cutting Melo make the most sense?


Trading Melo while his value is at an all-time high makes the most sense.

Why would his value be at an ALL TIME HIGH?


because he had the best 4 week stretch of his career and most people incorrectly think that's a meaningfully large sample (dare I use the word!).
not fair or accurate... Melo has had big scoring stretches and big winning stretches... plenty. He's had some pretty big #s over the years. The question is can he change his game and win in the playoffs. Hopefully w/ Lin running the show he can.

Can you provide some evidence for that? I don't remember any 4 week stretches of over 50% shooting and 30 PPG. It was at least the best stretch in a long time if not the best of his career. Look, whether you want to nit-pick about wording the message is simple: if you think Melo is the right person to build our team around, then you wouldn't want to trade him now. If you don't think we have the right foundation, then you should be looking for ideal time to sell high for Amare and Melo.
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6/25/2012  11:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2012  11:43 AM
Q: In basic terms, what was the argument from the union's side?

Klempner: The Knicks shouldn't have to go and break up their team. That's part of what the soft-cap system is about. The team should always have maximum ability to retain their own players. And the question for these guys is: How strong would the Knicks' ability be to go and keep them in light of their market value? And I think in layman's terms, it basically means that the Knicks can keep these players if they so desire. And if they and the players want that resolved, that was pretty much the intention of our agreement.

We were arguing the spirit of the rule as much as we were arguing the language, which is that players who move teams, not by choice, should not have to start over with their Bird rights. They shouldn't forfeit their valuable Bird rights, and that was a spirit that we thought was since the inception of the rule in 1995 and it should still exist today. Lin and Novak did not have a choice as to where it is they were going to play once their teams effectively cast them off or placed them waivers. If they had a chance to go and pick their teams, then clearly their Bird Rights would start fresh. We thought we had the higher ground on the policy and we feel like this was the right result.


http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/21123/insights-into-the-lin-decision
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6/25/2012  12:00 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:so long as we can keep the guys we have, thats the most important.

If we wanted to fix the cap and the team wouldnt cutting Melo make the most sense?


Trading Melo while his value is at an all-time high makes the most sense.

Why would his value be at an ALL TIME HIGH?


because he had the best 4 week stretch of his career and most people incorrectly think that's a meaningfully large sample (dare I use the word!).
not fair or accurate... Melo has had big scoring stretches and big winning stretches... plenty. He's had some pretty big #s over the years. The question is can he change his game and win in the playoffs. Hopefully w/ Lin running the show he can.

Can you provide some evidence for that? I don't remember any 4 week stretches of over 50% shooting and 30 PPG. It was at least the best stretch in a long time if not the best of his career. Look, whether you want to nit-pick about wording the message is simple: if you think Melo is the right person to build our team around, then you wouldn't want to trade him now. If you don't think we have the right foundation, then you should be looking for ideal time to sell high for Amare and Melo.

I think Melo is the right player to build around. Stoudemire could be a good part of that if he plays Defense, rebounds and doesn't turn the ball over. And to say Melo didn't have the type of continuous stretches in his career as the end of the 2012 season is not founded in reality. I'm not going to go through his career month by month splits. But go take a look at his numbers the month before he was traded to NY. They were incredible. And once he got settled after he was traded he played very well to end 2011. Off the top of my head those are similar stretches to what he had to end 2012. But I do agree that the end of this past season will be hard to top. The guy was unstopable.

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6/25/2012  12:33 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:so long as we can keep the guys we have, thats the most important.

If we wanted to fix the cap and the team wouldnt cutting Melo make the most sense?


Trading Melo while his value is at an all-time high makes the most sense.

Why would his value be at an ALL TIME HIGH?


because he had the best 4 week stretch of his career and most people incorrectly think that's a meaningfully large sample (dare I use the word!).
not fair or accurate... Melo has had big scoring stretches and big winning stretches... plenty. He's had some pretty big #s over the years. The question is can he change his game and win in the playoffs. Hopefully w/ Lin running the show he can.

Can you provide some evidence for that? I don't remember any 4 week stretches of over 50% shooting and 30 PPG. It was at least the best stretch in a long time if not the best of his career. Look, whether you want to nit-pick about wording the message is simple: if you think Melo is the right person to build our team around, then you wouldn't want to trade him now. If you don't think we have the right foundation, then you should be looking for ideal time to sell high for Amare and Melo.

Melo's stock is HIGH and it always was since he is a top 3 unstoppable scorer though still needs to work on his shot selection and passing. Give him a viable PG and he will take you far. Coaches are not game planning to contain Landry Fields or even STAT and/or Tyson. Its all about how to play and defend Melo.

Amare stock is at an all time low and will remain there until his final year

Chandler's stock is really high and bloated for the past two seasons unlike the rest of his mediocre career. Will it stay high? I don't think so. He has had a very injury prone career, is a great defender but an awful offensive player - though he can DUNK! Not a great rebounder but a good one. Get a 10-15 footer like all other very good players. Even Ibaka did it! C'mon Tyson - STEP UP!!

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6/25/2012  12:38 PM
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:so long as we can keep the guys we have, thats the most important.

If we wanted to fix the cap and the team wouldnt cutting Melo make the most sense?


Trading Melo while his value is at an all-time high makes the most sense.

Why would his value be at an ALL TIME HIGH?


because he had the best 4 week stretch of his career and most people incorrectly think that's a meaningfully large sample (dare I use the word!).
not fair or accurate... Melo has had big scoring stretches and big winning stretches... plenty. He's had some pretty big #s over the years. The question is can he change his game and win in the playoffs. Hopefully w/ Lin running the show he can.

Can you provide some evidence for that? I don't remember any 4 week stretches of over 50% shooting and 30 PPG. It was at least the best stretch in a long time if not the best of his career. Look, whether you want to nit-pick about wording the message is simple: if you think Melo is the right person to build our team around, then you wouldn't want to trade him now. If you don't think we have the right foundation, then you should be looking for ideal time to sell high for Amare and Melo.

I think Melo is the right player to build around. Stoudemire could be a good part of that if he plays Defense, rebounds and doesn't turn the ball over. And to say Melo didn't have the type of continuous stretches in his career as the end of the 2012 season is not founded in reality. I'm not going to go through his career month by month splits. But go take a look at his numbers the month before he was traded to NY. They were incredible. And once he got settled after he was traded he played very well to end 2011. Off the top of my head those are similar stretches to what he had to end 2012. But I do agree that the end of this past season will be hard to top. The guy was unstopable.


I just looked up the 4 weeks prior to the Melo trade. He shot .484. So you're right that that was an above average stretch for him although it wasn't as good as the 4 week stretch in NY.
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6/25/2012  12:39 PM
why are we still discussing trading melo..like dolans going to approve that
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6/25/2012  12:52 PM
knicks1248 wrote:why are we still discussing trading melo..like dolans going to approve that

We should only discuss things Dolan would be willing to do? OKAY then here are my next discussion topics:

-How many draft picks and young players should we trade for Derek Rose in 2019 after he's had 2 microfracture surgeries?
-Would Elton Brand be willing to come here in 2013 for a max contract?
-When can we extend Amare's contract?
-How soon should we name Isiah the next GM?

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6/25/2012  1:27 PM
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:so long as we can keep the guys we have, thats the most important.

If we wanted to fix the cap and the team wouldnt cutting Melo make the most sense?


Trading Melo while his value is at an all-time high makes the most sense.

Why would his value be at an ALL TIME HIGH?


because he had the best 4 week stretch of his career and most people incorrectly think that's a meaningfully large sample (dare I use the word!).
not fair or accurate... Melo has had big scoring stretches and big winning stretches... plenty. He's had some pretty big #s over the years. The question is can he change his game and win in the playoffs. Hopefully w/ Lin running the show he can.

Can you provide some evidence for that? I don't remember any 4 week stretches of over 50% shooting and 30 PPG. It was at least the best stretch in a long time if not the best of his career. Look, whether you want to nit-pick about wording the message is simple: if you think Melo is the right person to build our team around, then you wouldn't want to trade him now. If you don't think we have the right foundation, then you should be looking for ideal time to sell high for Amare and Melo.

I think Melo is the right player to build around. Stoudemire could be a good part of that if he plays Defense, rebounds and doesn't turn the ball over. And to say Melo didn't have the type of continuous stretches in his career as the end of the 2012 season is not founded in reality. I'm not going to go through his career month by month splits. But go take a look at his numbers the month before he was traded to NY. They were incredible. And once he got settled after he was traded he played very well to end 2011. Off the top of my head those are similar stretches to what he had to end 2012. But I do agree that the end of this past season will be hard to top. The guy was unstopable.


Bonn and MSG3... in some ways your both missing the point. You can tear down Melo's game all you want, its got its holes and my big knock is his deplorable post season.

You guys act like teams get to choose WHO they build around.

Bonn can note all the scientific reasons Melo is flawed and unsuitable to build around, but he's here and when you consider the biggest knock on the trade was it hampered the Knicks future ability to improve the roster I would say that debunked now as we also were able to add Chander, Lin and Shumpert. The past is the past but we have him here, he's extremely talented and is certainly a top 20 player (I dont believe he's top 10, but can be).

Melo ball doesnt work and he will have to make adjustments to his game. Im not his biggest fan. He's ARod to me, high on dollars and stats, low on playoff wins. BUT he can still light it up when in a position to succeed.

We need a team around him that makes sense.

I would have prefered Deron Williams, CP3, Dwight Howard, etc.. but ending up w/ Amare, Chandler, Lin, Shump and Melo as my core 5 for the next 4 years is pretty solid. Some role players could make that group elite, that and a healthy season from Lin

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6/25/2012  1:37 PM
fishmike wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:so long as we can keep the guys we have, thats the most important.

If we wanted to fix the cap and the team wouldnt cutting Melo make the most sense?


Trading Melo while his value is at an all-time high makes the most sense.

Why would his value be at an ALL TIME HIGH?


because he had the best 4 week stretch of his career and most people incorrectly think that's a meaningfully large sample (dare I use the word!).
not fair or accurate... Melo has had big scoring stretches and big winning stretches... plenty. He's had some pretty big #s over the years. The question is can he change his game and win in the playoffs. Hopefully w/ Lin running the show he can.

Can you provide some evidence for that? I don't remember any 4 week stretches of over 50% shooting and 30 PPG. It was at least the best stretch in a long time if not the best of his career. Look, whether you want to nit-pick about wording the message is simple: if you think Melo is the right person to build our team around, then you wouldn't want to trade him now. If you don't think we have the right foundation, then you should be looking for ideal time to sell high for Amare and Melo.

I think Melo is the right player to build around. Stoudemire could be a good part of that if he plays Defense, rebounds and doesn't turn the ball over. And to say Melo didn't have the type of continuous stretches in his career as the end of the 2012 season is not founded in reality. I'm not going to go through his career month by month splits. But go take a look at his numbers the month before he was traded to NY. They were incredible. And once he got settled after he was traded he played very well to end 2011. Off the top of my head those are similar stretches to what he had to end 2012. But I do agree that the end of this past season will be hard to top. The guy was unstopable.


Bonn and MSG3... in some ways your both missing the point. You can tear down Melo's game all you want, its got its holes and my big knock is his deplorable post season.

You guys act like teams get to choose WHO they build around.

Bonn can note all the scientific reasons Melo is flawed and unsuitable to build around, but he's here and when you consider the biggest knock on the trade was it hampered the Knicks future ability to improve the roster I would say that debunked now as we also were able to add Chander, Lin and Shumpert. The past is the past but we have him here, he's extremely talented and is certainly a top 20 player (I dont believe he's top 10, but can be).

Melo ball doesnt work and he will have to make adjustments to his game. Im not his biggest fan. He's ARod to me, high on dollars and stats, low on playoff wins. BUT he can still light it up when in a position to succeed.

We need a team around him that makes sense.

I would have prefered Deron Williams, CP3, Dwight Howard, etc.. but ending up w/ Amare, Chandler, Lin, Shump and Melo as my core 5 for the next 4 years is pretty solid. Some role players could make that group elite, that and a healthy season from Lin

I agree with you for the most part. We need reliable options around him so we dont' need to resort to him pounding the rock down low all the time or taking difficult low percentage shots. My point when I debate Bonn on these issues is that I think most of the criticism Melo gets is unfair. There are times when he lived up to all the stereotypes of his game, but I watch every minute of every game and it's clear to me that when it happens it's a product of no one else being able to score or hit open shots. The guy is a competitor and when no one else can do it he tries to win on his own. I cna't kill him for that. Now if we have good shooters and reliable options inside and he insists on doing things his own way, then I'd be the first to complain about it. But at times our best option to win is to put it on his shoulders. And that's not a good thing. I'm jsut stating a fact.

If Lin is the real deal or if we can get a reliable PG along with a good SG and Amar'e playing better I sitll think we have one of the better teams in the league. I think our biggest problem is getting STAT to play a certain way, not Melo.

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6/25/2012  1:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2012  1:50 PM
but I watch every minute of every game and it's clear to me that when it happens it's a product of no one else being able to score or hit open shots.

This is a very common defense of Melo's bad shot selection but it's based on a misunderstanding of stats. The most important factors impacting the quality of a shot are the distance from the rim (ideally within 3 feet) and how close the defender guarding you is, *not* the name of the individual shooting the shot. The difference in efficiency of the most versus the least efficient shooters is rarely more than 10 points (around 50 vs. 40), whereas the differences based on location and openness from defenders are huge: about 65 vs. 35 for shots near the rim vs. from the perimeter, and it rises to close to 100% for open layups. An open layup by the worst offensive player on your team is a better shot than a contested jumper by your highest scorer. Players like Nash, Chris Paul, and Lebron understand that. They could all score far more points (Lebron could easily lead the league in scoring) if they wanted to but would rather get the highest percentage shot on each possession for someone on their team - either themselves or their teammates. Melo acts like he has to be the one shooting.
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MSG3 wrote:I agree with you for the most part. We need reliable options around him so we dont' need to resort to him pounding the rock down low all the time or taking difficult low percentage shots. My point when I debate Bonn on these issues is that I think most of the criticism Melo gets is unfair. There are times when he lived up to all the stereotypes of his game, but I watch every minute of every game and it's clear to me that when it happens it's a product of no one else being able to score or hit open shots. The guy is a competitor and when no one else can do it he tries to win on his own. I can't kill him for that. .

+1
That said, we should all still be praying for the miracle cutting of Melo. <----sarcasm
Then we could all post happily about how lousy the team is that picks him up. <------not sarcasm

MSG3 wrote:I think our biggest problem is getting STAT to play a certain way, not Melo.

The bigger problem is the idea being promoted on this board that there exists an owner dumber than Dolan to trade Stat and his $100mil to right now.
Best recap of Knicks salary situation since ruling that I've seen

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