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If LeBron wins … watch out, Melo!
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6/21/2012  7:50 AM
With the Miami Heat on the precipice of a real coronation -- in which celebrations occur following championships, not before them -- a transformation is taking place in the basketball world, yet especially in New York City. An end to the fashionable tendency of maligning LeBron James is rapidly approaching, as is the case with Dwyane Wade and the rest of The King's supporting cast, up 3-1 in these NBA Finals.

All that energy will turn to the New York Knicks, still searching for their first title since 1973. Still saddled with their own star in search of his first championship, no longer shielded by the media's preoccupation with someone else chasing the elusive crown.

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fishmike
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6/21/2012  8:01 AM
stupid.

When Melo learns to:
play defense
show up without baby fat
win a playoff series

We can talk about Melo being next.

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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6/21/2012  8:37 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/21/2012  8:38 AM
fishmike wrote:stupid.

When Melo learns to:
play defense
show up without baby fat
win a playoff series

We can talk about Melo being next.

I don't think the point was about Melo being next to actually win, I think its that the scrutiny will move from James to Melo. Anthony has had the luxury of the media ripping on Lebron and his inability to win a championship - while there has been some focus on Melo's ISO ball and lack of team play, there have been other more compelling stories out there.

Personally I don't think Lebron winning will put more scrutiny on Melo - he is going to get it regardless heading into his third (2.5) season with the Knicks.

The true next player will probably be Durant. Although I think the media will be more forgiving on him then they were on Lebron because he doesn't call himself king and is generally likeable.

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6/21/2012  8:57 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/21/2012  9:01 AM
OasisBU wrote:
fishmike wrote:stupid.

When Melo learns to:
play defense
show up without baby fat
win a playoff series

We can talk about Melo being next.

I don't think the point was about Melo being next to actually win, I think its that the scrutiny will move from James to Melo. Anthony has had the luxury of the media ripping on Lebron and his inability to win a championship - while there has been some focus on Melo's ISO ball and lack of team play, there have been other more compelling stories out there.

Personally I don't think Lebron winning will put more scrutiny on Melo - he is going to get it regardless heading into his third (2.5) season with the Knicks.

The true next player will probably be Durant. Although I think the media will be more forgiving on him then they were on Lebron because he doesn't call himself king and is generally likeable.


I think fishmike is implying that Anthony shouldn't even be in this conversation or category until he is able to do certain things. Pity that Anthony's agent can't get him a role in an action/thriller where he has a physically demanding role. Trainers do amazing physical makeover jobs with male actors to get them buffed up and ripped for their roles.

Agree about Durant. He has been more like a Ewing than a James. Up to this point he has pretty much been a model citizen. It will be interesting to see how he responds if the Heat finishes his team off tonight.

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6/21/2012  9:04 AM
fishmike wrote:stupid.

When Melo learns to:
play defense
show up without baby fat
win a playoff series

We can talk about Melo being next.

Stupid in pressure going to Melo,or stupid that Melo's next in line to win? Sounds like you misunderstood the article, it's basically saying Melo is next in line to get the day to day scrutiny that James got before he got his (presumed)ring this year.

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6/21/2012  11:19 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/21/2012  11:20 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
fishmike wrote:stupid.

When Melo learns to:
play defense
show up without baby fat
win a playoff series

We can talk about Melo being next.

Stupid in pressure going to Melo,or stupid that Melo's next in line to win? Sounds like you misunderstood the article, it's basically saying Melo is next in line to get the day to day scrutiny that James got before he got his (presumed)ring this year.

Either the scrutiny will motivate him or crush him. This will be fun to watch....

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6/21/2012  11:25 AM
This is the dumbest thing I ever heard. Doesnt the media have anything better to do. So now they are going after 23yr old Durant
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6/21/2012  11:32 AM
There are only 2 ways to know you've made it.

1. If you have a stalker/s.
2. The media is on your case.

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6/21/2012  11:36 AM
blackisblack wrote:There are only 2 ways to know you've made it you're underachieving.

1. If you have a stalker/s.
2. The media is on your case.


Corrected. OK maybe the stalker part doesn't work
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6/21/2012  11:56 AM
Melo not royalty. Dwight is next.
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6/21/2012  12:40 PM
fishmike wrote:stupid.

When Melo learns to:
play defense
show up without baby fat
win a playoff series

We can talk about Melo being next.

When Amare stops acting like a ***** and show up playing defense and rebound like he was the next incarnation of Moses Malone than we can talk about winning a playoff series. As for Melo man up stop eating the Spanish food get off the couch and get to the gym.

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6/21/2012  1:40 PM
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:stupid.

When Melo learns to:
play defense
show up without baby fat
win a playoff series

We can talk about Melo being next.

When Amare stops acting like a ***** and show up playing defense and rebound like he was the next incarnation of Moses Malone than we can talk about winning a playoff series. As for Melo man up stop eating the Spanish food get off the couch and get to the gym.

Amare and his game have been deep in the playoffs... several times. Does his game has holes? Sure, but Ive seen Amare put up 25ppg in playoff series his team actually WON.

Ive SEEN a team built around Amare as the primary scorer and his 55% shooting go deep in the playoffs. Often.

I have to yet to see any evidence that Melo can be the same. Lets all pray he goes away or greatly changes how he plays basketball, else we can look to enjoy losing in the first round every year

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6/21/2012  2:10 PM
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:stupid.

When Melo learns to:
play defense
show up without baby fat
win a playoff series

We can talk about Melo being next.

When Amare stops acting like a ***** and show up playing defense and rebound like he was the next incarnation of Moses Malone than we can talk about winning a playoff series. As for Melo man up stop eating the Spanish food get off the couch and get to the gym.

Amare and his game have been deep in the playoffs... several times. Does his game has holes? Sure, but Ive seen Amare put up 25ppg in playoff series his team actually WON.

Ive SEEN a team built around Amare as the primary scorer and his 55% shooting go deep in the playoffs. Often.

I have to yet to see any evidence that Melo can be the same. Lets all pray he goes away or greatly changes how he plays basketball, else we can look to enjoy losing in the first round every year

No point living in the past its about what have you done for the Knicks . Not Suns or Nuggets. Amare hasn't taken the Knicks out of the first round and same with Melo, atleast Melo can say took part in all the games for the Knicks in the playoffs. Amare can't even say that. Anyway you look at it their past has no bearing on the future.

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6/21/2012  2:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/21/2012  2:59 PM
Exactly man Melo led the team to an 18-6 record into the playoffs when we were out of it and surrendering a pick to houston. Melo averaged 30 the final month of the season yet people still put most of the blame on his shoulders. I mean they played Miami with melo, novak who doesnt get his shot off against good defenses and jr who clearly is too erractic to ever be relied on to carry the load. The end! Zzz. While Amare gets off scott free
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6/21/2012  2:25 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Exactly man Melo led the team to an 18-6 record into the playoffs when we were out of it and surrendering a pick to houston.

Yet we're still below .500 in games he plays in!
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6/21/2012  3:03 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Exactly man Melo led the team to an 18-6 record into the playoffs when we were out of it and surrendering a pick to houston.

Yet we're still below .500 in games he plays in!

Were the knicks every getting out of the 1st round with a broken down amare, gallo and dantoni?
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6/21/2012  3:43 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Exactly man Melo led the team to an 18-6 record into the playoffs when we were out of it and surrendering a pick to houston.

Yet we're still below .500 in games he plays in!

Were the knicks every getting out of the 1st round with a broken down amare, gallo and dantoni?

Are you asking if the team could've gotten out of the 1st rd if they never traded for Melo? I think it's possible. You have to remember that the team had already at least achieved being a .500 team without Melo. It's not like things have been demonstrably better with him. Who knows how the team would've continued to develop if left alone?

To me that's not the issue. Melo is here and he's also a very difficult player to build a team around. Also some of us have really locked into this 18-6 thing and how Melo closed the season, but be careful. He's never played like he did during that short stretch for an entire season.


MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
April 36.9 11.3-22.8 .495 1.9-4.2 .460 5.4-6.7 .813 7.3 3.6 0.4 1.1 3.1 2.5 29.8

SEASON	TEAM GP	GS MIN	FGM-A	   FG%	3PM-A	 3P%	FTM-A	FT%	OR   DR	  REB  AST  BLK  STL  PF  TO   PTS
'03-'04 DEN 82 82 36.5 7.6-17.9 .426 0.8-2.6 .322 5.0-6.4 .777 2.2 3.8 6.0 2.8 0.5 1.2 2.7 3.0 21.0
'04-'05 DEN 75 75 34.8 7.1-16.4 .431 0.6-2.1 .266 6.1-7.6 .796 1.9 3.8 5.7 2.6 0.4 0.9 3.1 3.0 20.8
'05-'06 DEN 80 80 36.8 9.4-19.6 .481 0.5-1.9 .243 7.2-8.9 .808 1.5 3.4 4.9 2.7 0.5 1.1 2.9 2.7 26.5
'06-'07 DEN 65 65 38.2 10.6-22.4 .476 0.6-2.3 .268 7.1-8.7 .808 2.2 3.8 6.0 3.8 0.4 1.2 3.1 3.6 28.9
'07-'08 DEN 77 77 36.4 9.5-19.2 .492 0.8-2.1 .354 6.0-7.7 .786 2.3 5.1 7.4 3.4 0.5 1.3 3.3 3.3 25.7
'08-'09 DEN 66 66 34.5 8.1-18.3 .443 1.0-2.6 .371 5.6-7.1 .793 1.6 5.2 6.8 3.4 0.4 1.1 3.0 3.0 22.8
'09-'10 DEN 69 69 38.2 10.0-21.8 .458 0.9-2.7 .316 7.4-8.9 .830 2.2 4.4 6.6 3.2 0.4 1.3 3.3 3.0 28.2
'10-'11 DEN 50 50 35.5 8.7-19.3 .452 0.8-2.5 .333 6.9-8.3 .823 1.5 6.1 7.6 2.8 0.6 0.9 2.7 2.8 25.2
'10-'11 NY 27 27 36.2 9.1-19.9 .461 2.0-4.6 .424 6.1-7.0 .872 1.5 5.2 6.7 3.0 0.6 0.9 3.3 2.4 26.3
'11-'12 NY 55 55 34.1 8.0-18.6 .430 1.2-3.7 .335 5.4-6.7 .804 1.6 4.7 6.3 3.6 0.4 1.1 2.8 2.6 22.6
Career 646 646 36.2 8.8-19.3 .456 0.8-2.6 .322 6.3-7.8 .805 1.9 4.4 6.3 3.1 0.5 1.1 3.0 3.0 24.7

Melo's career numbers are more of who he really is and I suspect that unless he makes a major change to his off season routine he'll stay about right where his career numbers are. So what we need is to figure out how to augment his game with players that can succeed despite his being a ball stopper. More half court players that fit into a style that is more grind it out than we've been in the last couple of years. I think adding even more defensive players along with some shooting and a couple more ISO capable players would make more sense.

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6/21/2012  5:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/21/2012  5:23 PM
Im sick of these threads. One one hand Melo doesnt deserve to get blamed on every little however i think the people who defend him are wrong too because melo hasnt delivered yet and has caused problems. Unless the heat break apart the big three the snicks are probably not gonna be able to get past the ECF. I hope im wrong but with out cap situation,the melo/amare chemistry problem, and shumpert being out half the hear its gonna be tough enought just getting to the playoffs
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6/21/2012  5:25 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Exactly man Melo led the team to an 18-6 record into the playoffs when we were out of it and surrendering a pick to houston.

Yet we're still below .500 in games he plays in!

Were the knicks every getting out of the 1st round with a broken down amare, gallo and dantoni?

Nope. Keeping that team intact would have been about equally dumb with what we have now.
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6/21/2012  5:30 PM
my only gripe with melo is that he didnt wait for Free agency, If he could have waited for FA then we could have used our pieces and gotten deron,paul,or howard
If LeBron wins … watch out, Melo!

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