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Andrew
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6/15/2012  2:09 PM
..he makes a good point in his most recent article about the dream team.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/nets/dream_team_not_worth_glorifying_6WVVJS8tn3tmCFDaYxUMjJ?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=Nets

When did making the Olympic team become dependent on what other players had to say and not on athletic merit?

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6/15/2012  2:31 PM
just read that. very true. MJ was kind of a dk. so was zeke tho.

don't agree with the whole amateur thing tho unless all countries are sending only college age players. that would be pretty fun to watch to and be a good experience for the kids i think.

think cwebb, penny, hurley, laettner and allan houston woulda been able to win gold?

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6/15/2012  2:42 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:just read that. very true. MJ was kind of a dk. so was zeke tho.

don't agree with the whole amateur thing tho unless all countries are sending only college age players. that would be pretty fun to watch to and be a good experience for the kids i think.

think cwebb, penny, hurley, laettner and allan houston woulda been able to win gold?

Well the NBA has these global initiatives. It would be interesting if there was an age limit, it might allow some unknowns to shine and make a name for themselves.

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6/15/2012  2:47 PM
how foul was it that Isiah's coach didn't even step up to bat for him.

Isiah's sleaze level has been off the charts but, people need to realize that people also like to pile on when they have an easy target. I doubt he is as awful a person they make him out to be and, for Mike to be mad about the non-handshake, if anyone should understand its Mr. Step on your neck and destroy you Jordan.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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6/15/2012  3:53 PM
DurzoBlint wrote:how foul was it that Isiah's coach didn't even step up to bat for him.

Isiah's sleaze level has been off the charts but, people need to realize that people also like to pile on when they have an easy target. I doubt he is as awful a person they make him out to be and, for Mike to be mad about the non-handshake, if anyone should understand its Mr. Step on your neck and destroy you Jordan.

I read an article recently about perhaps why Isiah wasn't included on the Olympic team and it focused on the aspect of him not having the backing of the people that actually liked him - the Daly's. Wish I could find it.

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6/15/2012  4:14 PM
JohnStarksFan wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:just read that. very true. MJ was kind of a dk. so was zeke tho.

don't agree with the whole amateur thing tho unless all countries are sending only college age players. that would be pretty fun to watch to and be a good experience for the kids i think.

think cwebb, penny, hurley, laettner and allan houston woulda been able to win gold?

Well the NBA has these global initiatives. It would be interesting if there was an age limit, it might allow some unknowns to shine and make a name for themselves.

only issue is these euros join and practice with pro teams/staffs starting from a very young age. not quite sure if the american system of HS sports combined with AAU will have them quite as prepared.

kinda interesting to compare the two diff. systems. in team sports the US tends to emphasize putting together all star teams and just playing tons of games (even in soccer) vs. in europe where they endlessly drill to build skills in players.

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6/15/2012  4:33 PM
Vescey is pretty much saying what I pointed out in the "Kick Isiah to the curb" thread. Why is it okay for Jordan and Pippen to play for the coach that developed the "Jordan Rules" defensive scheme, but its not okay to play with Isiah? On top of that, several years down the road they team up With Rodman, the same guy that used to body-slam Jordan when he went airborne. The same Rodman that intimidated Pippen into a Migrane in the ECF.

Its BS. Isiah's resume at the time spoke for itself. Isiah was the only player to win Rings during the Magic, Bird, Jordan era. There no way you can convince me that he didn't belong. BTW, Magic is a bit of a phony aswell.

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6/15/2012  4:53 PM
Uptown wrote:Vescey is pretty much saying what I pointed out in the "Kick Isiah to the curb" thread. Why is it okay for Jordan and Pippen to play for the coach that developed the "Jordan Rules" defensive scheme, but its not okay to play with Isiah? On top of that, several years down the road they team up With Rodman, the same guy that used to body-slam Jordan when he went airborne. The same Rodman that intimidated Pippen into a Migrane in the ECF.

Its BS. Isiah's resume at the time spoke for itself. Isiah was the only player to win Rings during the Magic, Bird, Jordan era. There no way you can convince me that he didn't belong. BTW, Magic is a bit of a phony aswell.

the article I mention above focused on how Isiah was a score-first PG who dominated the ball whereas the Dream team need pure facilitators.

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6/15/2012  6:02 PM
Great article. In '92 Vecesy was still on his game in my opinion.
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6/15/2012  6:33 PM
My question is, who would have been left off if Thomas was on the team? Mullens?
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6/15/2012  10:26 PM
chewy wrote:My question is, who would have been left off if Thomas was on the team? Mullens?

There is no way Laettner should have been on the team

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6/15/2012  10:36 PM
martin wrote:
chewy wrote:My question is, who would have been left off if Thomas was on the team? Mullens?

There is no way Laettner should have been on the team


He shouldn't have been on that team but I did hear an interview where he defended himself on the Doug Gotlieb show. If they were going to take a college player he made a lot of good points as to why he was the guy to be selected. It does give insight into Isiah/Jordan. Either Isiah was hated among his peers or Jordan had a tremendous amount of clout. It was probably somewhere in the middle but it does speak to how Isiah's peers viewed him.
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6/15/2012  11:20 PM
martin wrote:
Uptown wrote:Vescey is pretty much saying what I pointed out in the "Kick Isiah to the curb" thread. Why is it okay for Jordan and Pippen to play for the coach that developed the "Jordan Rules" defensive scheme, but its not okay to play with Isiah? On top of that, several years down the road they team up With Rodman, the same guy that used to body-slam Jordan when he went airborne. The same Rodman that intimidated Pippen into a Migrane in the ECF.

Its BS. Isiah's resume at the time spoke for itself. Isiah was the only player to win Rings during the Magic, Bird, Jordan era. There no way you can convince me that he didn't belong. BTW, Magic is a bit of a phony aswell.

the article I mention above focused on how Isiah was a score-first PG who dominated the ball whereas the Dream team need pure facilitators.

Isiah scored mostly out of necessity as he was the best scoring option on those BadBoy teams. Earlier in his career Isiah was a great facilitator averaging 14 ast per 1 season, 11 for 2, I believe and 10 per for another season. Isiah would have blended in just fine.

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6/16/2012  9:47 AM
Isiah should have been on that team. Isiah was no saint but the others were no saints either. I don't blame Isiah for everything, the thing with the Knicks got blown ut of proportion. Brown came to the Knicks for one reason and one reason only money, the same with the players who he brought in. Isiah wanted accountability and the players wanted none of that. Isiah is a very good talent evaluator but very poor at mental evaluation of players. As for the Anucha Brown I always felt that was a he said she said thing and there has to be a loser in that type of case. Isiah always had good intentions for the Knicks, out of everyone that he brought in I think he wanted to win a championship more than anyone.

Vecsey, makes a good point about Majic and spread the rumors story floated out there.

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6/16/2012  11:43 AM
Isiah may have been a snake, but all of those dudes had their issues... Jordan IMO was petty and really should not have been given that much control, and magic did his boy wrong.. the guy he kissed before every game, he kept him off the team.... just a bunch of BS.. isiah deserved to be on that team as much as any player....
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6/16/2012  1:09 PM
I thought the goal was to assemble the best fitting team, not just the best individuals
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6/18/2012  11:00 AM
Uptown wrote:Vescey is pretty much saying what I pointed out in the "Kick Isiah to the curb" thread. Why is it okay for Jordan and Pippen to play for the coach that developed the "Jordan Rules" defensive scheme, but its not okay to play with Isiah? On top of that, several years down the road they team up With Rodman, the same guy that used to body-slam Jordan when he went airborne. The same Rodman that intimidated Pippen into a Migrane in the ECF.

Its BS. Isiah's resume at the time spoke for itself. Isiah was the only player to win Rings during the Magic, Bird, Jordan era. There no way you can convince me that he didn't belong. BTW, Magic is a bit of a phony aswell.

Of course course he belonged. His Air-ness was King of the NBA and through his super agent let it be known he would not play. Who believes the NBA or Olympic committee would take the chance of losing out having Air Jordan on the team. Methinks not. There probably wasn't' a player on that team that Jordan couldn't have gotten removed if he wanted. Dude was a dik, is a dik and likely will always be a dik.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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6/18/2012  11:07 AM
chewy wrote:My question is, who would have been left off if Thomas was on the team? Mullens?

Christian Laetner

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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6/18/2012  11:25 AM

Thomas on the team then Jordan is not playing. Then Isiah becomes the villian.

Jordan was huge at this time. I think Reebok provided the warm ups with its logo on it. This was a problem for Jordan and his NIke contract.

Jordan was not mr Patriotic with the flag drapped over him. It was to hide the Reebok logo.

Jordan was the biggest name on the planet at the time. With him off the team Nike would not have been happy.

Jordan was an assswhole also. Isiah could not win if Jordan backed out.

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6/18/2012  11:51 AM
Regarding Laettner, He was picked over Shaq and Mourning as it was determined the team was to take one college player.

While Shaq and Zo had incredible careers, Laettner had a very distinguished 4 year career and had international experience. Certainly there were dozens of NBA players more capable, they had commited to one college player.

His resume as a college player is quite impressive:

College careerLaettner attended Duke University, and played for the Duke Blue Devils men's basketball team. He is one of only four players (including teammates Greg Koubek and Brian Davis) to play in four consecutive Final Fours, and the only one to ever start in all four Final Fours. He owns the record for most tournament games played (23) out of a maximum possible of 24 in four years at that time. Laettner's #32 jersey was retired in 1992, making him the sixth of thirteen players so honored by Duke.[4] He averaged 16.6 points and 7.7 rebounds per game at Duke and is the all-time three-point shooting percentage leader at Duke with 48.5%.

NCAA Tournament Records Held:

Most points scored: 407[5]
Most free throws made: 142
Most free throw attempts: 167
Most games played: 23
Laettner is especially known for his last-second, back-to-the-basket, turn-around, game-winning jump shot on March 28 in Duke's dramatic 104–103 victory over Kentucky in the East regional final, played at The Spectrum in Philadelphia, of the 1992 NCAA Tournament, acclaimed by many[6] as the "greatest college basketball game ever played." Footage of Laettner's buzzer beater shot is frequently included in televised montages depicting college basketball and the NCAA tournament; in 2003 it was used in a nationally televised commercial by Allstate. In 2009 Laettner appeared in a commercial for Vitamin Water, again replaying the shot with a Vitamin Water bottle; the ad also features Rick Pitino, who was the coach at Kentucky in 1992. In the game as a whole, Laettner made ten of ten shots from the field and ten of ten from the free throw line. His performance in the game as a whole earned him a 1993 ESPY Award for "Outstanding Performance Under Pressure," and the shot in particular received the 1993 ESPY for "College Basketball Play of the Year." Laettner also received the 1993 ESPY for "Outstanding College Basketball Performer of the Year."[7] The shot was also named the most memorable basketball shot of all-time (including the NBA, college, and high school) by The Best Damn Sports Show Period in 2007 and the fifth most unforgettable sports moment of all-time across all sports in 2006.[9]

Laettner's shot was clouded somewhat by an incident earlier in the game, in which Laettner intentionally stepped on the chest of Kentucky Wildcat forward Aminu Timberlake, who was lying on the floor. Laettner later said, "It was just from the emotion of the game. There was maybe too much adrenaline flowing, but it was a big mistake. It's worthy of a technical. I don't think it's worthy of getting kicked out of the game even though all the Kentucky fans will disagree with me on that. But it looks horrible. It's one of the things that I'm embarrassed about in my Duke career. There aren't many things, but that's one of them. Coach K was not happy with me about doing that. And he made a point to let me know about it a few times the following week going into the Final Four."[10]

[edit] International careerHe played for the US national team in the 1990 FIBA World Championship, winning the bronze medal.[11][dead link]

In 1992 he was selected for the men's Olympic basketball team, which became known as the "Dream Team". He was the only college player selected to the roster, beating out Shaquille O'Neal for the final spot. The team went on to win the gold medal at the 1992 Olympics, and has been called the greatest sports team ever assembled.[2]

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