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6/8/2012  7:33 PM
I know we can't buy a pick due to the new rules, but what realistic ways can we get into the first round?

Is Fields to GS for #30 fair for both team? GS expressed interest in Fields, especially being light at SF, and already having a lotto pick and being in win-now mode suggests they may want to deal their pick. We can really target some solid wings with that pick, especially a shooter like Lamb or Jenkins if either is available. What it comes down to is, will there be a player available at #30 who is better than Fields?

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6/8/2012  8:10 PM
I think the Knicks should explore trading the draft rights to Georgios Printezis, possibly for a second rounder or in a package for a first round pick. The Knicks will not be able to sign Printezis because of their cap situation but if they could move him for a second round pick or in a package for a first I think it would be smart.
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6/8/2012  10:13 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/8/2012  10:15 PM
I don't think the Knicks can buy a pick. Because of Turiaff and the 3 million that the Knicks gave in the deal. Trading Douglass should land a late first rounder.
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6/8/2012  10:20 PM
Vmart wrote:I don't think the Knicks can buy a pick. Because of Turiaff and the 3 million that the Knicks gave in the deal. Trading Douglass should land a late first rounder.
You are right they can't. I don't know if Douglas gets them a late first rounder but if it does they should trade him.
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6/9/2012  9:17 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:I don't think the Knicks can buy a pick. Because of Turiaff and the 3 million that the Knicks gave in the deal. Trading Douglass should land a late first rounder.
You are right they can't. I don't know if Douglas gets them a late first rounder but if it does they should trade him.

Yes can't buy a pick. I think Douglas can only net us a 2nd round pick. Fields or Shumpert would be the only shot at a 1st rounder. Obviously we aren't trading Shumpert.

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6/9/2012  10:01 AM
Knixkik wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:I don't think the Knicks can buy a pick. Because of Turiaff and the 3 million that the Knicks gave in the deal. Trading Douglass should land a late first rounder.
You are right they can't. I don't know if Douglas gets them a late first rounder but if it does they should trade him.

Yes can't buy a pick. I think Douglas can only net us a 2nd round pick. Fields or Shumpert would be the only shot at a 1st rounder. Obviously we aren't trading Shumpert.


why is it "obvious"?
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6/9/2012  11:53 AM
Per Tommy D:

Multiple sources have told me over the past week that the Knicks are shopping Landry Fields and it appears they are trying to move into the first round.

A team that the Knicks could be targeting is Golden State, who currently hold the 30th pick, the last pick in the first round and 4 picks total.

Fields would be an ideal fit for the Warriors open style and, should the Knicks move to the end of the first round, they can target the best player available which could perhaps be Vandy’s sharp shooter John Jenkins or Kentucky’s Doron Lamb should they go SG.
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Did i call this or what?

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6/9/2012  11:57 AM
How are we trading Fields when he is a free agent this summer.
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6/9/2012  12:41 PM
AnubisADL wrote:How are we trading Fields when he is a free agent this summer.

Draft is June 28th and free agents can sign July 1st. My guess is it could be an agreement in principle for those 3 days.

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6/9/2012  1:14 PM
I guess since he is restricted they will own his rights and can match any offer. Which people wouldn't be biding high for him.
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6/10/2012  5:02 AM
CrushAlot wrote:I think the Knicks should explore trading the draft rights to Georgios Printezis, possibly for a second rounder or in a package for a first round pick. The Knicks will not be able to sign Printezis because of their cap situation but if they could move him for a second round pick or in a package for a first I think it would be smart.

Agreed, unless they are going to clear cap space but I don't see that miracle happening. Georgios can certainly help a team and should have some value. He might not be worth a first round pick, but teams that don't really want their pick might get out of the money for the pick to get a proven player (and maybe our 2nd), we can hope...

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6/10/2012  3:56 PM
Got to find a team that does not want to deal with paying a 1st rounder. They can take the rights to Printezis and never have to worry about signing him, or trade him for cash/future pick to someone who may want him for some reason.

Best chance, IMO, is a team in the later 1st round seeing the guy they hoped would slip down to them get picked up, and decide that nobody else on their board is worth the pick.

Did we get Douglas a few years ago because the Lakers were dealing with a cap issue? Any teams in the late first have potential cap issues?

Hopefully we can finagle a later pick in the 1st and get lucky.

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6/11/2012  2:58 AM
wonder if we have a shot to somehow acquire Brandon Rush somehow with it....
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6/11/2012  8:32 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:I don't think the Knicks can buy a pick. Because of Turiaff and the 3 million that the Knicks gave in the deal. Trading Douglass should land a late first rounder.
You are right they can't. I don't know if Douglas gets them a late first rounder but if it does they should trade him.

Late 1st rounder for Douglas, hahahahahaha, that is priceless. No self respecting GM will give you a 1st rounder for Douglas. Might be able to get a late 2nd rounder which would likely be worthless as he has been. The best option is to hope Golden State bites on Shannon Anderson....sorry meant Landry Fields

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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6/11/2012  8:34 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/11/2012  8:36 AM
AnubisADL wrote:How are we trading Fields when he is a free agent this summer.

I WAS under the impression that the new CBA eliminated the sign and trade option but, I guess I was wrong.


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the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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The Thunder hold pick No. 28, but it’s unlikely that they’ll keep it. Sources close to the situation say that Oklahoma City is satisfied with their young core and they aren’t interested in paying a prospect guaranteed money when he likely won’t be part of the rotation. The Thunder will likely trade or sell the pick. If they aren’t able to move the selection, expect them to draft a foreign player who they can keep overseas for several years. HoopsWorld

OKLAHOMA CITY THUNDER, DRAFT, TRADE | SHARE

The Warriors hold four picks in this draft (7, 30, 45 and 52), but they likely won’t draft four players. Sources close to the situation say that the Warriors are attempting to move one or two of their picks. If they can’t find a trading partner, they’ll draft a foreign player who will remain overseas for several years. HoopsWorld
GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS, DRAFT, TRADE | SHARE


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Unfortunately we can no longer purchase draft picks like we once did with all the $$$ Dolan is willing to spend to improve the team.
After July 1st, I believe we will have the ability to spend the $ 3m again to purchase the rights of whoever they draft?

Maybe we can have a deal in place, with the early draft right's on Jeremy Lin being the deciding factor and the $74m tax bracket in which we lose our ability to either have the
Full MLE, mini MLE, and/or LLE *don't think we have the LLE to use if we are over the tax bracket*

Luckily, we are in the Eastern Conference, in which would help our chances in attaining some of these picks since they are both on the Western Conference.
We probably would prefer the 2nd round picks, since they are much cheaper, and would fill give us nice role players in these deep draft(picks 45 and 52 would be more likely to be attained with Golden State, with all the youth they already have) Maybe by acquiring the 45, 52 pick, and with our own 48th pick, we can move up with those picks.

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6/16/2012  5:16 PM
However, the 28th pick would almost ensure our ability to acquire, DJO and Jared Cunningham as candidates. Our assets include


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Our biggest problem would be our inability acquire talent to add to our core. Needing the FULL MLE to use, LLE, and being over the tax bracket takes away this ability. With our cap situation, we must be under the tax bracket even if we win the bird rights case with Lin/Novak, so we can still have the MLE and LLE to spend. Somehow if we can manage to use our MLE
for this summer and the next year after, and with our 2013 1st round pick, we would be able to assemble a playoff caliber team.


1) Draft Rights to both Giorgos Printezis and Ahmad Nivins (rights to players that we acquired from The Dallas Mavericks as part of the Tyson Chandler trade)


2) Iman Shumpert he has a lot of upside and high ceiling. I think he is almost untouchable had he not blown out both knees and had the injury not look as serious as it was.
He still is young and has the chance to recover, with a chance to become one of the leagues elite lock down defenders in the future.


3) JR Smith, no one can deny that is still one of the streakiest shooters in the league. However, he is very talented, athletic, and has good all around skills to go with his
abilities. He is an ideal 6th man for many teams and is a solid defender to go with his ability to create his own shot. He is quite versatile, with the ability to defend
PGs, SGs, and SFs. He is older now and much more mature, not a head case like he once was. He has a good handle while he should be used as a 2nd or 3rd ball handler, not the #1
ball handler/facilitator that he was forced to play because of our injuries in the playoffs. He is well worth more than his 2.5m contract and is a good stoppage 6th man for OKC
or many teams that are championship/playoff contenders, like for Memphis(allowing OJ Mayo to be traded for picks), Clippers, Lakers, and Miami Heat. Manu Ginobili would be in the
market after next season, if OKC decides that Harden would cost too much as a max player playing the 6th man role. A player of JR Smith's caliber and contract would allow
OKC to get many great offers for Harden.


4) Fields is a SF, that fits uptempo basketball, with players that are willing to move the basketball. He is improved much since his rookie year but is playing a position at SG that
does not fit well with his skills and Carmelo Anthony. He still has the ability to improve his shot, something he can learn with his worth ethic.


5) The rest of our roster that has less value, but teams could have interest in buying low for


1) Jorts a backup Center with the ability to hit the 3point shot and play solid man to man defense


2) Novak *if we win early bird rights* not sure if we can S&T him, but he is still one of the best pure shooters in league*

3) Jeffries (do we own his early bird rights?) One of the best backup F/C with team defense and 110% HEART

4) Jerome Jordan never got a real chance to play much with the Knicks but seems to have the potential to be a decent back up Center with legit size.
He is still very raw and could be a stashed to be teams project while playing a 3rd option center for next year.
Jordan has shown some post moves, decent help defense with blocks/rebounds, and the ability to hit a 17footer.


5) TD *he had a horrible year but teams may still buy low for his services*
He is not a PG and cannot be a facilitator but he can be a deadly 3point shooter. He has a the ability to be a good defender and is a gym rat.
Like many players in the past in New York, he just find a role on another team once he is moved, not being able to play the pressure of playing in New York.
With the right players, system, coaching, and a confidence boost, he can be very nice rotation player.

For instance, if he played OKC or Heat, he wouldn't be asked to facilitate and play the PG on offense. IN OKC With Harden, Westbrook, Durant / HEAT Lebron or Wade
With all the attention that those "STARS" get on the teams, TD would fit with the 2nd unit, he would just need to hit his 3point shot, spread the floor, and play solid defense.

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6/17/2012  3:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/17/2012  3:02 PM
RonRon wrote:wonder if we have a shot to somehow acquire Brandon Rush somehow with it....

How about:
Fields and draft right for Georgios Printezis
for
Rush and 30th pick

That would be AWESOME, and pretty fair

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6/17/2012  5:57 PM
JohnStarksFan wrote:
RonRon wrote:wonder if we have a shot to somehow acquire Brandon Rush somehow with it....

How about:
Fields and draft right for Georgios Printezis
for
Rush and 30th pick

That would be AWESOME, and pretty fair


I can't recall two RFA's being signed and traded for each other in quite a while, and honestly i'm not sure if it can be done, since Rush QO is over 4 million, which he may be inclined to take.

I don't see what GS gets out of it though.

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6/18/2012  9:29 AM
knickscity wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
RonRon wrote:wonder if we have a shot to somehow acquire Brandon Rush somehow with it....

How about:
Fields and draft right for Georgios Printezis
for
Rush and 30th pick

That would be AWESOME, and pretty fair


I can't recall two RFA's being signed and traded for each other in quite a while, and honestly i'm not sure if it can be done, since Rush QO is over 4 million, which he may be inclined to take.

I don't see what GS gets out of it though.

Yea, guess I'm dreaming. I think Rush would be a huge component to this team though. Don't think we'll ever get to see that. We'll only see Rush in a Knicks jersey when we acquire him for his expiring contract in 7 years.

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