BRIGGS wrote:1. Patty Mills--say what you want--we need guards(especially POINT GUARDS) --most important by FAR need. I think Patty Mills is the absolute steal of FA. I forgot my man's name who use to push Mills--but he is fluid quick strong he can shoot pass see the court run the team and he has the good s to be a really good NBA player. This guys a good NBA basketball player who has the chance to be a low level all star--and I think anyone can have him for 2-3mm $ per for 3 years. This would be my main move sans trade. I need to convince Lin to take less (or the case where Lin does not get a full MLE offer) and see if I can convince Mills that there is nice playing time here--great opportunity and give him a three year 7.5mm $ contract.
2 Odom--vet minimum--if she together--its an easy match--we need the inside outside play he brings a good wheel if his head is clear.
2. Jamison--long shot because I only want him at the vets minimum. That being said--hes made alOT of money in the nBA and maybe taking a vets minimum to try and win everything might be appealing

I don't think Jamison is going to take the vet minimum. There should be good teams, OKC, LA, Miami, that can use his talents and should offer at least a part of their MLE.

JohnStarksFan wrote:Briggs, I'm with you on Patty Mills, but the other 2 are not going to help us enough. I don't think either one is worth it at this point. Their age is a liability for a team still trying to gel. They are very set in their games, and it can't be easy to coach a team with so many conflicting personalities. I sincerely think that with Melo, STAT, and Chandler there is enough veteran leadership from big men. I would take another vet PG who's durable (Kidd, Miller) if we could afford them (we can't), but I just think it's a silly move and a waste of money long term to add more vet bigs.

I'm thinking of an analogy here.
So you have pipe that leaks. It's not a big leak, but a constant drip. If you can stop that drip, then things will run smoother. You can take a piece of duct tape and put it over it. That will give you a temporary water tight seal. But ultimate the adhesive isn't made to last in water and will break down over time. And in a short amount of time, you need to strip off the duct tape, discard it, and find a better more long term solution. (Or you could be a Knicks GM and replace it with new duct tape: see Vin Baker, Glen Rice, Tracy McGrady - and don't tell me about their contract differences because I already know and I don't care. I'm talking about the basketball TEAM)

OR, you could go out and get some epoxy for the same price. The epoxy starts off soft and pliable, until you mix it thoroughly and mold it into the proper shape, then it becomes rock solid and keeps that leak fixed for years. This team's plumbing has a lot of little leaks, and throwing some duct tape over them isn't going to get anyone in this organization a ring. We really do have a solid core of guys that could do something special and has the talent collectively to match up with any team in the league if we can be strategic in our choice and get the right tools for the job. And friend, Odom and Jamison are not them.

I'm saying if we are gonna have the money to spend, we should go after guys like Lavoy Allen, Ryan Hollins, Ian Mahimni, Danny Green, not aged guys. I mean Jamison will be 36 next season. No way.

The other guys--well for one million $ Id easily take either one--no brainer. Either player can play a stretch 4 while we say goodbye to Novak and Smith.

If we brought in Mills--he would take care of some of the three pt shooting we would lose with Novak--but he can also play a true PG and has the ability to be explosive at it. Dire need.

VCoug wrote:I don't think Jamison is going to take the vet minimum. There should be good teams, OKC, LA, Miami, that can use his talents and should offer at least a part of their MLE.

Looks like me and Coug agree on something. He'll get more than vet min.

Westbrook
Sefelosha
Durant
Ibaka
Perkins

With Durant and Ibaka playing the free safey, able to cover much ground with their length and quickness, even if they cheat, they can recover back in time.

With Westbrook and Sefelosha those guys are huge, took away Tony's Parker and the Spur's ability to penetrate.

The starting lineup took away Spur's ability to create in their comfort zone and what they have been doing all year with the starting lineup.
They couldn't even get in to sets for majority of the 1st quarter, with TO, after TO.
Once they force Parker or anyone to pick up a dribble, they used their length to play zone like football, anticipating the pass lanes, while applying pressure.
Even if they tried to used the PnR, those guys could come out, aside from Perkins, they all can cover each other, but Perkins moves pretty well for a "big man".

Parker/ Westbrook
Green/ Sefelosha
Leanord/ Durant
Duncan/ Ibaka
Diaw/ Perkins

Spurs countered with going small, with 3-4 ball handlers/shooters.
I don't know why Scott Brooks went away from Ibaka, but he needs to be in there with Durant, those guys are special players together.
If they play small ball, Ibaka has there be in there, I guess he was scared about Duncan posting on him.

Tony Parker
Gary Neal
Manu
Stephan Jackon
Duncan

Offensively, it was reversed, Spurs drew like 10 charges in the 4th quarter.
And Westbrook, Durant, Harden, took turns going 1v1, mostly from bad shots, that they can make, but didn't, and TO the ball constantly.
Spurs played really well down the stretch to retake the lead and give it up to Manu, Stephan Jackson, Neal, and coach Poppavich, to be able to make counters/adjustments.

What can we learn from this playoff match?
How important the ability to penetrate is and how important it is to shut down our opponents ability to penetrate.
How crucial it is to have the pairings to compliment each together, on the defensive.
That is why I want a player like Ak47 to pair with Tyson Chandler and another Guard/Forward, to pair with Iman Shumpert.

With Iman, I would like players like Ariza, Sefelosha, Tony Allen, Shane Battier, some obviously younger versions.
We have to be consistent and develop what our identity is, if we are going to be good to great defensive team or not?
Also, with our 2nd unit, do we continue to build a team with good defensive players, with 2 way players on offense and defense.
I prefer this approach, while giving total effort on defense, and letting our offense come to us, while having the players to follow through the philosophy.
If so lets add the players that can make it happen....
Problem is, we just don't have the ability to add talent with the $ all the big 3 makes.
NO is a realistic trade option, without the need of Ok4 and Ariza, as they are both expendable and make a good chunk of their cap.

Bonn1997 wrote:It's interesting that Jamison actually had the worst wins produced score on the Cavs. That shouldn't be surprising. He really doesn't do anything well. 40% FG as a PF? Below average rebounder, shot-blocker, and passer. I don't want him taking up one of our roster spots.
http://www.nerdnumbers.com/splits?team=Cleveland+Cavaliers&from=12%2F25%2F2011&to=05%2F11%2F2012

Bonn1997 wrote:It's interesting that Jamison actually had the worst wins produced score on the Cavs. That shouldn't be surprising. He really doesn't do anything well. 40% FG as a PF? Below average rebounder, shot-blocker, and passer. I don't want him taking up one of our roster spots.
http://www.nerdnumbers.com/splits?team=Cleveland+Cavaliers&from=12%2F25%2F2011&to=05%2F11%2F2012

Jamison for the vet minimum is a no brainer. With the guys who surround him--his shooting % should get back to the upper 40's. He might not take the vet minimum but a chance to play in NY after a lucrative career with a winning team could be a great experience.

I think if we could somehow sign both Lin and Mills--we'd be set at PG for the next 3 years at a minimum. We can obtain a third PG through the draft or FA. We will need an additional SG as well--but to me the priority is PG this summer. Im not trying to be unrealistic--we are not in the $$$ market for a 5mm $ player. If we can get Mills for 2mm(that is realistic) and sign Lin to a 5 year 18.5mm $ with his option to opt out--I think we are good there.

JohnStarksFan wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:a chance to play in NY after a lucrative career with a winning team could be a great experience.

Lucrative career with winning team? Are you referencing the 4 years with the Wizards where they hovered around .500, or the half a year he spent with Lebron in Cleveland?
A great experience? You want a guy who's gonna be 36 to come in here and have a great experience? at 3/4/5 we average 10 years experience. Someone please give me a good reason why we need veteran big men?

Y'all are gonna make me move to Brooklyn I swear.

Yeah I'm with on this, Jamison is far to inept for me, his best years are history, I'm not crazy about Odom either, but atleast he's much more usefull in other area's.

We have 3 postions to be fill as far as the bench, L O fills 2 by himself..