2- Melo forced the Knicks to trade for him? Sure he did.

3- Woodson running the same offense he did in Atlanta. Basically the Knicks shouldnt even have been in the playoffs unless Woodson put the ball in Melo's hands and let him go to work. Rick Adelman is a great coach and the T-Wolves are sitting at home right now.

4- PG's and C's come at a premium. Knicks went for the available Center who was coming off a championship. Nothing wrong with that. I dont recall any good young PG's being available for us to sign.

5- Whether Stat was hurt or not wouldnt have helped. Bosh would have played him to a stalemate and we'd still have lost.

crzymdups wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:1- Dolan is trying to at least attempt to win a championship here. The Nets would have pulled the trigger on Melo if we hadnt. Then we be stuck with Gallo(choke artist), Chandler(Mr Glass), Mozgov (Bench warmer), Randolph (bench warmer). If it isnt clear to you yet we FLEECED Denver big time. Pretty sure we could flip Melo straight up right now for Williams OR Howard.

2- Melo forced the Knicks to trade for him? Sure he did.

3- Woodson running the same offense he did in Atlanta. Basically the Knicks shouldnt even have been in the playoffs unless Woodson put the ball in Melo's hands and let him go to work. Rick Adelman is a great coach and the T-Wolves are sitting at home right now.

4- PG's and C's come at a premium. Knicks went for the available Center who was coming off a championship. Nothing wrong with that. I dont recall any good young PG's being available for us to sign.

5- Whether Stat was hurt or not wouldnt have helped. Bosh would have played him to a stalemate and we'd still have lost.

agree with all this.

we also lucked into a pretty decent young PG.

next season is all about the development of shump and lin and getting melo to play team ball and getting amar'e to be 6th man or trade him.

If the last 2 goals are what you expect to happen - you setting youself for big dissapointmets.
Melo will never play team ball (too late to change his game - he is not spring chicken).
Nobody put 100 mils to the bench unless this is Eddy Curry... And nobody will trade for uninsured always hurt aging player who cannot defend anything faster that Josh Harelson.

Knicks have little balance at this point. Bynum and Gasol both have low post games, rebound, and defend. Gasol can shoot as well. Amare just scores. Chandler just rebounds and defends. Now if we had the 30+ point Amare we'd be ok but that Amare is long gone.

I know you're normally optimistic, Nixluve, and this is an absolute stinker of a series so no wonder you're frustrated, but the truth is the only things to blame for this debacle are: overly high expectations, bad luck and injuries. Look at the state of our roster:

Amar'e- probably still rusty from the 3 week absence, back issues, out with ridiculous hand injury
Tyson- was ill will flu the first game (thats when you knew the basketball gods didn't like us)
Shump- torn ACL (thanks basketball gods)
BD- aggrivates back injury first game
Bibby- past it
Lin- out with knee
JJ- basically done, needs surgery but refuses to have it until playoffs are over

That's half the damn roster- even at full strength we'd struggle against the Heat. But we're not even at half strength which is why we're looking like a d league team. The coach really didn't have any choice but to pray Melo could carry the team- Fields, Jorts, Jerome Jordan just aren't ready confidence wise to do anything in the playoffs, Novak can't get open and JR Smith is to inconsistent.

We only had a healthy team under Woodson for about 6 or 7 games, and we looked great (even with melo struggling). Since then the team has kept changing due to injuries, so we've had no chance to develop a set, consistant system. So even though it feels bleak now, there is hope for next season, it's not all doom and gloom.

Woody with a full training camp and a healthy team gets us a 4 seed easy!

nixluva wrote:We all know that injuries played a huge part in this, but at the same time there were some poor decisions that also led up to this as well. I know my point may be over the top or not accepted but i'm angry now and venting so...

No. 1 Culprit Dolan for his management moves. For interfering with Walsh during the Melo trade and Driving out Walsh. Not giving an ext. to MDA so that at least he wouldn't be a lame duck. That lame duck coach thing never works. Either fire him and start fresh to begin the year or give him some cover so he can have some authority.

No. 2 Culprit is Melo for basically sabotaging the Knicks twice. Last year by forcing them to make a deal that gutted the team and this year by not being in good enough shape to lead the team to start the year and then sulking and dogging it leading to a losing streak that killed the teams chances to get a higher seed.

No. 3 Woody for totally destroying the teams offense rather than running something where the entire team can excel and not just rely on one guy. Yeah the D was good in the regular season, but that's only part of the game. You have to coach both sides of the floor and especially in the playoffs. He had tons of plays the team was familiar with that worked and didn't use them.

No. 4 Grunwald for not picking up a younger PG that might have been able to help this team more than the broken down guys we have left. One more guy could've made a difference.

No. 5 STAT for hurting himself and not being their when we needed him.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

CashMoney wrote:This is a simple answer. The culrpti is injuries. How in the hell do you beat the defending eastern conference champs with 1 freaking player?! The answer is you don't!

Woody with a full training camp and a healthy team gets us a 4 seed easy!

A 4 Seed? Huh? IS that the goal of this team? Sorry...not on board with that.

you gotta start somewhere.

Fans expectations have no bearing on the outcome.