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MinsHeartsReezy
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4/29/2012  6:13 AM
I don't know why this makes me feel slightly better about game 1, but it does.

I was getting sick of watching LeBron's stat line from the game scroll on the bottom of the Mavs OKC game and how none of the major media outlets were scrutinizing the officiating. Clearly we lost for more reasons than the officiating but it limits how aggressive a team can be without question.

I got to googling about LeBron's flop and I came across this Lakers forum. The posters on the thread were calling out the refs worse than even the Knicks fans were.

http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=144925&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=25

It starts about half way down page 2 and continues for another 8 pages.

Although there wasn't much to feel good about yesterday, esp Shump, at least its somewhat validating to know its not just us Knicks fans who were in disbelief at the officiating.

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4/29/2012  6:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/29/2012  6:34 AM
I guess misery loves company...

Some of the posts that stick out-

defense wrote:
Hey guys Im going to do play by play

foul
foul
foul
foul


foul


Triumph wrote:
The Knicks should just not come out for the 2nd half in protest. That would be hilarious.


ODZ wrote:
I've seen some BS ref officiating in my life, but this is one of the biggest screwjobs I've ever seen.


Murdock wrote:
What's the point of New York even showing up at the half?

This is ridiculous.

I KNOW that Lakers fans wouldn't be cheering such an obvious screwjob of an opponent.

Miami is a disgrace to the league and sports in general.


RyderzDelight wrote:
Wow. Zebra's really coming out with some BS calls.


eureca wrote:
I think he had Shumpert on him and LBJ got a switch. The fact that everyone on the Knicks is in foul trouble off horrible calls doesn't give Woodson much options. If Carmelo is in foul trouble so he can't put him on Lebron.

Its sad because the Heat talent alone don't need help, but they are getting a lot of it. It might not even be that they want the Heat to win a finals series its that they have to make sure the Heat are in a finals series so that they get their tv ratings for every round including the finals. There's more quiet riggings and then there's the first half where the refs already put it away.

And watch the 2nd half they probably will give the Knicks random free throws so that it doesn't look as bad knowing that the Knicks won't win this one now.


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loweyecue
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4/29/2012  8:51 AM
Thanks for sharing - I posted those Lakers comments on my Facebook argument with a Celtics fan.
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4/29/2012  8:53 AM
Sometimes the calls will favor one team. At least it happened in a game where it didn't matter. If it makes a difference in the outcomes of any of the remaining games, that would justify anger.
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4/29/2012  9:31 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:Sometimes the calls will favor one team. At least it happened in a game where it didn't matter. If it makes a difference in the outcomes of any of the remaining games, that would justify anger.

C'mon Bonn, how can the first game of the series not matter. You know the stats on how often teams that won't the first game go on to win the series. In many ways it's the most critical game of the series for setting tone. If we pull out Game 2 it will be a mini miracle. If not this series is over.

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4/29/2012  9:32 AM
loweyecue wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Sometimes the calls will favor one team. At least it happened in a game where it didn't matter. If it makes a difference in the outcomes of any of the remaining games, that would justify anger.

C'mon Bonn, how can the first game of the series not matter. You know the stats on how often teams that won't the first game go on to win the series. In many ways it's the most critical game of the series for setting tone. If we pull out Game 2 it will be a mini miracle. If not this series is over.


I didn't say the game didn't matter. The refs didn't cause the 33 point difference, though. Maybe we lose by 24 instead of 33 if the refs get the calls right. It seems like wasted time to complain over that.
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4/29/2012  9:41 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Sometimes the calls will favor one team. At least it happened in a game where it didn't matter. If it makes a difference in the outcomes of any of the remaining games, that would justify anger.

C'mon Bonn, how can the first game of the series not matter. You know the stats on how often teams that won't the first game go on to win the series. In many ways it's the most critical game of the series for setting tone. If we pull out Game 2 it will be a mini miracle. If not this series is over.


I didn't say the game didn't matter. The refs didn't cause the 33 point difference, though. Maybe we lose by 24 instead of 33 if the refs get the calls right. It seems like wasted time to complain over that.

IDK - in a game like momentum matters. The refs made sure of taking us out of the game in Q2. They took the fight out of us. When your first 6 guys have 2 or more fouls before the half what are you going to do? Yes the Heat would still probably win but close game would have given us at least a shot at making a run.

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4/29/2012  10:18 AM
A simplistic vew of rigged officiating like yesterday's will simply look at the points scored through fouls and compare. Truth is, we were close to the heat in the second quarter until obviously terrible officiating started changing our game. The heat got a double digit lead in free throws alone. Our defense tries to adjust to officiating and allows miami more space. True that we missed many shots, but our defense always keeps us in games. Wonder how it got so out of hand in a hurry? Blame nobody but the zebras. After that, it was simply a matter of time. Not that miami didn't play well, but not good enough to blow us out the way they did.

Whoever can't see this has a wrong view of last night. Our collective sould was CRUSHED that 2nd quarter. It was THAT horrible. I tell you, I've been a fan for long, but it something like this happens again, I'll quit on the NBA as it really has no use watching a rigged sport and the battle or ratings instead of true competitive basketball.

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4/29/2012  10:22 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/29/2012  10:23 AM
Whining about refs and momentum is what losing teams do. You want to stop the momentum? Don't shoot 3 for 15. The refs may have messed up 2% of the calls favoring the Heat. At what point do you put the responsibility on the players for the other 98%?
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4/29/2012  10:36 AM
BS with that stupid bravado. I hate it when people simply used the cliched "don't blame the refs, blame yourself". Thats BS to simply throw everything that actually happened in the game away and blame yourself when at one point the FT differential was something crazy like 33 to miami, 7 to New York. Fans hate officiating and critizise them during the game, but yesterday was an aberration, the kind of game that really makes you think it was rigged. Just because it happened in the middle quarters and things unraveled after that doesn't mean the referees had no hand in that unraveling.
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4/29/2012  10:41 AM
I have not seen much evidence in any Knick-Miami game this season that demonstrates we can hang with them.

naturally the strong finish we had this season against some pretty good teams might have given much hope but the end result was a 33 pt defeat.

Miami plays very hard and they have great athletes. The flops were damn good flops and the best player on the planet gets the benefit of the doubt.

He has earned that.

I don't like him either but his game speaks loud.

If we can adapt to the speed by which they played defense we might have a chance to win a game or two but this is the task at hand.

there is no rivalry until we are up to challenge them.

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4/29/2012  10:50 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/29/2012  10:51 AM
Knicksfan wrote:BS with that stupid bravado. I hate it when people simply used the cliched "don't blame the refs, blame yourself". Thats BS to simply throw everything that actually happened in the game away and blame yourself when at one point the FT differential was something crazy like 33 to miami, 7 to New York. Fans hate officiating and critizise them during the game, but yesterday was an aberration, the kind of game that really makes you think it was rigged. Just because it happened in the middle quarters and things unraveled after that doesn't mean the referees had no hand in that unraveling.

A FT discrepancy in itself does not reveal bad officiating. Our team was shooting off balance jump shots while Lebron and Wade were attacking the rim. If Lebron gets a good call on one end and we follow it up with an off-balance Carmelo jump-shot, what do you expect to happen? I bet that if you count only the plays where the refs made the right call or right no call (and don't our players have responsibility for those plays?!), we still lost by doube-digits.
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4/29/2012  11:14 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:Whining about refs and momentum is what losing teams do. You want to stop the momentum? Don't shoot 3 for 15. The refs may have messed up 2% of the calls favoring the Heat. At what point do you put the responsibility on the players for the other 98%?

Please provide data, including sample size,. for this assertion.

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4/29/2012  11:18 AM
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4/29/2012  11:22 AM
I wonder if the league will rescind the tech on Amar'e for saying "no you won't" (hit the free throws) to his friend Haslem, the technical on Melo for passing the ball to the ref, and the flagrant on Tyson for setting a moving pick? All three should be rescinded, but it would look bad for the league- they'd be admitting the refs stunk.
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4/29/2012  11:26 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/29/2012  11:26 AM
BasketballJones wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Whining about refs and momentum is what losing teams do. You want to stop the momentum? Don't shoot 3 for 15. The refs may have messed up 2% of the calls favoring the Heat. At what point do you put the responsibility on the players for the other 98%?

Please provide data, including sample size,. for this assertion.


LOL
How about any game thread on the UK board in any game we're losing? Sample size is about 45% of the games this season.
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4/29/2012  12:34 PM
eureca wrote:
I think he had Shumpert on him and LBJ got a switch. The fact that everyone on the Knicks is in foul trouble off horrible calls doesn't give Woodson much options. If Carmelo is in foul trouble so he can't put him on Lebron.
Its sad because the Heat talent alone don't need help, but they are getting a lot of it. It might not even be that they want the Heat to win a finals series its that they have to make sure the Heat are in a finals series so that they get their tv ratings for every round including the finals. There's more quiet riggings and then there's the first half where the refs already put it away.

If they are so worried about ratings then why not find long term solutions like shortening the season and get rid of the soft ass mentality that's surrounding this league. All the fans want is the old NBA back, then you'll have all the ratings you want.
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4/29/2012  12:44 PM
I kind of agree with Bonn here. That was a classic in terms of refs swinging a game. But we lost by 33. We couldn't put the ball in the hoop. Our defense wasn't even that bad. So yes, if there was going to be a ref game like this, better now when we played poorly on offense then a tight game late in the series.
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4/29/2012  12:57 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:Whining about refs and momentum is what losing teams do. You want to stop the momentum? Don't shoot 3 for 15. The refs may have messed up 2% of the calls favoring the Heat. At what point do you put the responsibility on the players for the other 98%?

Yeah, we have to go through the Refs and the Heat to beat them. Dallas did it last year. I am not making excuses for the players but when the bias is so strong it's much harder to fight through it. That was a really lopsided game, but I do think the Refs impacted the outcome.

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4/29/2012  1:09 PM
loweyecue wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Whining about refs and momentum is what losing teams do. You want to stop the momentum? Don't shoot 3 for 15. The refs may have messed up 2% of the calls favoring the Heat. At what point do you put the responsibility on the players for the other 98%?

Yeah, we have to go through the Refs and the Heat to beat them. Dallas did it last year. I am not making excuses for the players but when the bias is so strong it's much harder to fight through it. That was a really lopsided game, but I do think the Refs impacted the outcome.


Let's see what happens the rest of the series. Often people think the refs have nefarious motives. Just by chance, occasionally one team will get better calls than the other. If it continues all series, I'll make a big deal out of it but I don't see any reason to now.
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