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Nalod
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4/23/2012  11:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/23/2012  11:27 AM
Im impressed with the job Woodson has done. I think the team's biggest change was a philisophical one and Im not sure Woodson has applied any high level intellegence to make a big difference.

I think a great coach does not yield to his players nor deviates from his "System". I think mike was ambitious perhaps to a fault in thinking he could meld his team to greatness. He "failed". Plain and simple.

Lets talk about PHil Jax as a Knick coach. It requires the installation of a "system". A methodical discipline called the "triange offense".

Phil has 11 rings with it and made Kobe and Jordan into amazing legends.
HIs juice card is full of cred.

Can he come in and get Amare and Melo to buy in?

IN the absence of PJax, I would advocate Woodson gets a three year extension.

The only way it works is if you bring in Amare, Tyson and Melo in on the decision and they back whom ever.

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4/23/2012  11:22 AM
Nalod wrote:

Im impressed with the job Woodson has done. I think the team's biggest change was a philisophical one and Im not sure Woodson has applied any high level intellegence to make a big difference.

I think a great coach does not yield to his players nor deviates from his "System". I think mike was abitious perhaps to a fault in thinking he could meld his team to greatness. He "failed". Plain and simple.

Lets talk about PHil Jax as a Knick coach. It requires the installation of a "system". A methodical disciple called the "triange offense".

Phil has 11 rings with it and made Kobe and Jordan into amazing legends.
HIs juice card is full of cred.

Can he come in and get Amare and Melo to buy in?

IN the absence of PJax, I would advocate Woodson gets a three year extension.

The only way it works is if you bring in Amare, Tyson and Melo in on the decision and they back whom ever.

If PJax wants in, then you have to seriously consider it. If he hedges his bets, and waits for other offers, then Woodson has to be the leading candidate. Still not sold on Calipari's ability on the NBA level, didn't work in the past, don't think it'll work now.

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4/23/2012  11:24 AM
The only thing with phil is that he is at an age where if he comes back it may not be for very long. woodson has proven he is a good coach that got a rotten deal with Atlanta and he is still young enough
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4/23/2012  11:30 AM
IrishKnickFan wrote:The only thing with phil is that he is at an age where if he comes back it may not be for very long. woodson has proven he is a good coach that got a rotten deal with Atlanta and he is still young enough

I would advocate that Phil kind of come in like Riles did in Miami. Coach, bring your people and kick upstains in a capacity to maintain the culture.

I don't see this BTW as Dolan is too hands on. But PhilJax could have a 3 year window with these guys and maybe get it done.

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4/23/2012  11:34 AM
It's a tough decision, which is why I'd put off making it until after the playoffs. I really like what Woodson has done so far, but let's see how he does in the playoffs when adjustments are crucial. Hopefully he's up to the challenge.
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4/23/2012  11:34 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/23/2012  11:36 AM
Nalod wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:The only thing with phil is that he is at an age where if he comes back it may not be for very long. woodson has proven he is a good coach that got a rotten deal with Atlanta and he is still young enough

I would advocate that Phil kind of come in like Riles did in Miami. Coach, bring your people and kick upstains in a capacity to maintain the culture.

I don't see this BTW as Dolan is too hands on. But PhilJax could have a 3 year window with these guys and maybe get it done.

It looks like he is really retired now. I know that the knicks job has always interested him and now that we are a better team but i like woodson and next year when we have a healthy starting five i think we can do some damage
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4/23/2012  11:48 AM

Of course we wait until after the playoffs.

We can't assume any levels of health. OUr team this year has been a disaster health wise and we still figured it out.

I assume JR smith is gone and perhaps Novak as well. Our growth comes from Lin, Shump and Fields stepping up their games.

Make no mistake we need a full healthy Amare to really contend.

The role players come from what the coach wants.

I'll give MDA credit in he was able to utilize role players like Extra E, Jeffries, Lin and Novak and turn them into bonafide rotation players.
He played Fields right out of the gate and had Moz playing in the NBA after half a season.

Im not lamenting on the guy but the strong system he advocated did pull players in. Phil Jax had a nice history of using role players very effectively and winning. The ultimate success is getting your stars to buy in. PHil got his to but MDA could not get Melo and maybe to a lessor extend Amare even thought he had a great run in PHX. They were known to have knocked heads even in PHX.

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4/23/2012  12:10 PM
Kudos to Woody for making this a really tough decision for the organization. I thought that if Phil wanted the job, case closed but that is no longer the case.
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4/23/2012  12:12 PM
Nalod wrote:Im impressed with the job Woodson has done. I think the team's biggest change was a philisophical one and Im not sure Woodson has applied any high level intellegence to make a big difference.

I think a great coach does not yield to his players nor deviates from his "System". I think mike was ambitious perhaps to a fault in thinking he could meld his team to greatness. He "failed". Plain and simple.

Lets talk about PHil Jax as a Knick coach. It requires the installation of a "system". A methodical discipline called the "triange offense".

Phil has 11 rings with it and made Kobe and Jordan into amazing legends.
HIs juice card is full of cred.

Can he come in and get Amare and Melo to buy in?

IN the absence of PJax, I would advocate Woodson gets a three year extension.

The only way it works is if you bring in Amare, Tyson and Melo in on the decision and they back whom ever.

I'm sorry but that's completely wrong. Pat Riley went from the Showtime Lakers to the Ewing Knicks to Alonzo's Heat and then Wade's Heat. Phil Jackson's offense was one way with MJ, was changed when he retired, was changed again when he went to LA with Shaq and Kobe, and changed again when Shaq was traded. Gregg Poppovich is running a completely different offense now then when he first got there in 1996. Larry Brown went from the Spurs to the Clippers to the Pacers to the 76ers to the Pistons changing at every stop. Great coaches coach to the strengths of their teams they don't try to fit square pegs into round holes.

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4/23/2012  12:23 PM
Phil Jackson has won 11 rings with his system, MDA hasn't been to the finals. I don't know to much about the Triangle other then stuff I saw on youtube. I think its flexable enough to fit all types of games to it. Other then a big PG I don't think Jax requires specific type of players. Dennis Rodman, Tony Kukoc, Paul Gasol, Lamar Odom don't play anything like each other.

I think he would just ask Amare to pass out of the post more.

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4/23/2012  12:51 PM
I don't think that it's right to actually judge Woodson by the playoffs because the Knicks probably aren't going to beat the Heat. The Knicks have basically won 75% of the games in his tenure and he's earned the job.

After the year, maybe you call Jackson because he's the best coach ever. If he doesn't take the job, the Knicks should immediately hire Woodson for three years or so and not consider anybody else.

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4/23/2012  1:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/23/2012  1:11 PM
VCoug wrote:
Nalod wrote:Im impressed with the job Woodson has done. I think the team's biggest change was a philisophical one and Im not sure Woodson has applied any high level intellegence to make a big difference.

I think a great coach does not yield to his players nor deviates from his "System". I think mike was ambitious perhaps to a fault in thinking he could meld his team to greatness. He "failed". Plain and simple.

Lets talk about PHil Jax as a Knick coach. It requires the installation of a "system". A methodical discipline called the "triange offense".

Phil has 11 rings with it and made Kobe and Jordan into amazing legends.
HIs juice card is full of cred.

Can he come in and get Amare and Melo to buy in?

IN the absence of PJax, I would advocate Woodson gets a three year extension.

The only way it works is if you bring in Amare, Tyson and Melo in on the decision and they back whom ever.

I'm sorry but that's completely wrong. Pat Riley went from the Showtime Lakers to the Ewing Knicks to Alonzo's Heat and then Wade's Heat. Phil Jackson's offense was one way with MJ, was changed when he retired, was changed again when he went to LA with Shaq and Kobe, and changed again when Shaq was traded. Gregg Poppovich is running a completely different offense now then when he first got there in 1996. Larry Brown went from the Spurs to the Clippers to the Pacers to the 76ers to the Pistons changing at every stop. Great coaches coach to the strengths of their teams they don't try to fit square pegs into round holes.


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4/23/2012  1:21 PM
I'd give consideration to Jax if he's interested. Otherwise, I'd have to agree it's Woodson's job for a 2+1 deal.
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4/23/2012  1:25 PM
Does Jackson actually want to take over a team with two stars at the beginning of the end of their careers? MJ Pippen Kobe and even Shaq were relatively young in NBA terms when he guided them to chips.

Lots more mileage on both Melo and Stat.

Not sure this is the situation Phil wants to go out on.

I think we'd have to pull off some kind of humongous starphucqience (DHoward, DWill) first before Phil even sniffs at Dolan's pool.

Don't see that happening.

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4/23/2012  1:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/23/2012  1:28 PM
i dont think phil wants to come back. I mean he is nearly 70 so i would just concentrate on woodson. Even if we lose in teh first round i would go with woodson because we had many injuries
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4/23/2012  1:33 PM
Why would Phil Jackson want to coach the Knicks, we are a worse version of the Atlanta Hawks. Let's not forget that they are missing Al Horford, have a lottery pick and an improving Jeff Teague.

The Knicks have to contend with Amare Stoudamire and his inability to defend anyone. We have to hope that Lin and Shumpert turn into AllStars, Fields decides to stay with the Knicks and we can somehow get another pick or two and strike gold.

For all the rebuilding we have done aren't really all that much better off than the team we broke down. So until the Knicks prove they can compete with Miami and the Bulls in the playoffs it's moot.

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4/23/2012  1:58 PM
Nalod wrote:
I assume JR smith is gone and perhaps Novak as well. Our growth comes from Lin, Shump and Fields stepping up their games.

how does Lin fit into the triangle offense?

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4/23/2012  2:02 PM
because Dolan always goes after big names.
Lets me quite honest, who couldn't use an extra 8-10m per year for 2-3 years.
Only Dolan is willing to shed out this type of money.

All that said, I like what Woodson has done, I hope he gets an extension.
He has earned it, regardless of what happens in the playoffs, he rejuvenated our team and deserves at least a full season to continue to prove himself.

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4/23/2012  2:46 PM
VCoug wrote:
Nalod wrote:Im impressed with the job Woodson has done. I think the team's biggest change was a philisophical one and Im not sure Woodson has applied any high level intellegence to make a big difference.

I think a great coach does not yield to his players nor deviates from his "System". I think mike was ambitious perhaps to a fault in thinking he could meld his team to greatness. He "failed". Plain and simple.

Lets talk about PHil Jax as a Knick coach. It requires the installation of a "system". A methodical discipline called the "triange offense".

Phil has 11 rings with it and made Kobe and Jordan into amazing legends.
HIs juice card is full of cred.

Can he come in and get Amare and Melo to buy in?

IN the absence of PJax, I would advocate Woodson gets a three year extension.

The only way it works is if you bring in Amare, Tyson and Melo in on the decision and they back whom ever.

I'm sorry but that's completely wrong. Pat Riley went from the Showtime Lakers to the Ewing Knicks to Alonzo's Heat and then Wade's Heat. Phil Jackson's offense was one way with MJ, was changed when he retired, was changed again when he went to LA with Shaq and Kobe, and changed again when Shaq was traded. Gregg Poppovich is running a completely different offense now then when he first got there in 1996. Larry Brown went from the Spurs to the Clippers to the Pacers to the 76ers to the Pistons changing at every stop. Great coaches coach to the strengths of their teams they don't try to fit square pegs into round holes.

Showtime was in place by the time Riles took over. Riles is not a "system" guy. Riles was not bought to knicks to recreate "Showtime". But you did it the way riles wanted our you were out.

RIles had cred MDA never had.

Red Auerback was a system guy. Holzman was a system guy.

Larry Brown does things his way.

When we hired MDA, we wanted SSOL and it was to built for him.

POP did adapt and changed it to his liking. He is also the GM and bought in these guys. Its HIS TEAM!

I disagree, Great coaches want to do it THEIR way.

I fully admit manytimes that MDA failed.

This is not another "MDA" thread, its about PJax the coach that will want it done his way.

Do we have the roster to do that? Jordan and Kobe thrived under him. Could Melo? Could Fields? Chandler? etc.........

What do we know about phil and where his head is at.

Is he up for the challange? Physically up for it? mentally?

We have interm coach, GM and some deep ass pockets brimming with cash.

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4/23/2012  3:47 PM
Im not sure our team fits the triangle and I dont think Phil was a great defensive coach. However, I am concerned that Woodson isn't a long term answer. Im not sure I want to lock him up. Given his success, if Phil thinks it can work, hand him the reigns.
What do we look for if PJax wants in?

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