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helloharv
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4/22/2012  9:22 PM
I love Melo but curious as to why he gets his shot blocked so often? I think he was rejected at least 4 times today. He does seem to get hammered every now and then with no foul call but most are just flat out great blocks.
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4/22/2012  9:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/22/2012  9:25 PM
He has one move where he drives along the baseline on the left and tries to finish with his right hand and gets blocked often.

Interesting first post.
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4/22/2012  9:36 PM
I am a huge Melo and Knicks fan and watch every game. I should have made a better first post ...sorry about that.I really enjoy reading this message board.

I honestly can't think recall Lebron or Kobe or others attacking the rim and getting blocked like it seems to happen with Melo.... Maybe others have a different opinion ?
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4/22/2012  9:39 PM
Melo is so good and so confident that he often doesn't put much deception into his moves. He's not really a super explosive guy, tho he can get up with a couple of steps. He's surprisingly quick tho and most of the time that makes up for him not really getting up very high. Then again when he doesn't catch his man off guard and they have size it can lead to a blocked shot and does. He's historically been a guy that gets a lot of shots blocked. I think he gets fouled a lot more than they call it, but since he's always drawing contact refs don't want to call everything. When you're strong like Melo refs sometimes let guys hand all over you too. I've seen it with other powerful players. They have to get clobbered to get a call.
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4/22/2012  9:49 PM
Good points.

I was kinda shocked when they were saying a few games ago that Melo was one of the quickest jumpers/rebounders in the NBA (I forget who said that....Hubie Brown?) But he is deceptively quick on his moves to the basket. He has been amazing to watch since Woody took over, he gives 100% effort on both ends of the floor now, I only wish he would have done that the entire year.
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4/22/2012  9:55 PM
helloharv wrote:Good points.

I was kinda shocked when they were saying a few games ago that Melo was one of the quickest jumpers/rebounders in the NBA (I forget who said that....Hubie Brown?) But he is deceptively quick on his moves to the basket. He has been amazing to watch since Woody took over, he gives 100% effort on both ends of the floor now, I only wish he would have done that the entire year.


He does get back up quick. He gets back up after shooting very fast when he is in the paint. He is a lot to handle on offense with his combination of size and skills.
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4/22/2012  9:57 PM
Melo really has his stamina at a high level right now. He's never been this fit in that he's able to play hard on both ends for an entire game and it doesn't effect his offensive game. In the past I felt like it did. Now he's stronger and more complete.
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4/23/2012  12:11 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/23/2012  12:37 AM
I could not find a site that has this sorted so I just took some random looks:

STAT 9% (holy chit! thats alot!)

Melo 7% (that is high - last year he was at 4% so not sure what contributed to this. Was he hurt? Groin? Dogging? Maybe thats why his shot was off too - He did not have lift)
Granger 7%
Paul Pierce 5%
Rose 5%
Kobe 3%
Wade/James 3%
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4/23/2012  12:37 AM
So then I guess the answer to the thread title is "Yes, Amare Stoudemire." What a coincidence it would be another Knick!
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4/23/2012  12:40 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:So then I guess the answer to the thread title is "Yes, Amare Stoudemire." What a coincidence it would be another Knick!

Yeah - there might be others who are higher but I just look at about 10 players. But that is funny. I think people underestimate how hurt Melo was. Or, maybe he was just out of shape.
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4/23/2012  12:43 AM
I wonder this many times and just think he doesn't like to waste energy which often leads to not exploding all the time.Imo, he is really more explosive than he shows and think he will be better next year when he is in shape. The problem is that the way he plays leads to many minor but lasting injuries or pains that hurt his game during the season but like most seasons he cranks it up again when it is closed to playoff time.
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4/23/2012  1:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/23/2012  1:06 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:I wonder this many times and just think he doesn't like to waste energy which often leads to not exploding all the time.Imo, he is really more explosive than he shows and think he will be better next year when he is in shape. The problem is that the way he plays leads to many minor but lasting injuries or pains that hurt his game during the season but like most seasons he cranks it up again when it is closed to playoff time.

This is an odd post. First, he is in pretty good shape now, don't you think? And, he gets his shot blocked mostly on his own rebound/putbacks - rebounds the 99% of the players in the NBA would never get. He is the quickest at the re-jump.

Wasting energy? Conserving energy? Not exploding all the time? Are we watching the same freakin player that has been putting up the best numbers in the league? Or, were you referring to pre-Woodson when he was committing sports-treason and quit on his team?

Were you talking about Amare or Melo?
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4/23/2012  1:21 AM
Melo is one of a handful of perimeter players that are post oriented. The difference between him and other guys that can operate in the paint like Wade and Pierce is that they have automatic stretch bigs like Bosh and Garnett. In other words, the spacing for the Knicks isn't that great. The paint is congested, which is why you have two Knicks leading the statistic.
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4/23/2012  1:24 AM
airchibundo507 wrote:Melo is one of a handful of perimeter players that are post oriented. The difference between him and other guys that can operate in the paint like Wade and Pierce is that they have automatic stretch bigs like Bosh and Garnett. In other words, the spacing for the Knicks isn't that great. The paint is congested, which is why you have two Knicks leading the statistic.

While that is certainly true and part of it, Amare has lacked lift for a while and that is the major contributor to him getting his shot blocked so much - even by much smaller players. He was once one of the most explosive leapers I have ever seen and he might not realize that he is no longer that kid.
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4/23/2012  1:29 AM
Another way to look at it is that Both STAT and Melo make a lot of attempts under the basket and Centers and PF's lurk there, so if a high % of your shots are in the paint there's more of a chance that you can get your shot blocked from help defenders or just from going up against the bigger players in the league.
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4/23/2012  1:29 AM
I think its good that this is happening because it in some way indicates that he is looking to score more in the post, with Woody, than last year. He became jumper happy as a NYK and while he was ok, this latest version of Melo is closest to his ultimate potential, so while he may be getting blocked more, he is scoring more and shooting more from higher percentage spots.
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4/23/2012  1:40 AM
Knicksfan wrote:I think its good that this is happening because it in some way indicates that he is looking to score more in the post, with Woody, than last year. He became jumper happy as a NYK and while he was ok, this latest version of Melo is closest to his ultimate potential, so while he may be getting blocked more, he is scoring more and shooting more from higher percentage spots.

Um it's not about Woody, dude was getting rejected a lot more earlier in the season. Melo was not just standing around shooting 3's all year. Also he's only been scoring at a high % for 14 games now. It started on March 28th, however before that he was horrid.

           MIN	FGM-FGA	         FG%	3PM-3PA	  3P%
January	  35.6	8.3-21.1	.393	1.4-4.4	  .311
February  31.5	6.1-15.4	.398	0.6-2.3	  .278
March	  32.1	6.7-16.2	.415	0.9-3.3	  .268
April	  37.2	11.4-22.5	.507	2.0-4.3	  .465
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4/23/2012  5:47 AM
mrKnickShot wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I wonder this many times and just think he doesn't like to waste energy which often leads to not exploding all the time.Imo, he is really more explosive than he shows and think he will be better next year when he is in shape. The problem is that the way he plays leads to many minor but lasting injuries or pains that hurt his game during the season but like most seasons he cranks it up again when it is closed to playoff time.

This is an odd post. First, he is in pretty good shape now, don't you think? And, he gets his shot blocked mostly on his own rebound/putbacks - rebounds the 99% of the players in the NBA would never get. He is the quickest at the re-jump.

Wasting energy? Conserving energy? Not exploding all the time? Are we watching the same freakin player that has been putting up the best numbers in the league? Or, were you referring to pre-Woodson when he was committing sports-treason and quit on his team?

Were you talking about Amare or Melo?

He is in pretty good shape but not at his best. He is not explding vertically like he can or used too. in regards to concerving energy: What do you see when he gets in the open court or gets by his man? He doesn't try to do a big time dunk or anything he will lay it in or just some basic dunk. Which is ok because its still two points. He has done this most of his career and its not because he can't get up. I just think he doesn't put that much value in wasting his energy on a dunk. Is he an explosive player yes of the dribble and on the second jump but he doesn't explode vertically like he can.
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4/23/2012  7:27 AM
Melo gets to the free throw line alot. The price is rejections but as one said, he gets a lot of putbacks.

His offensive rebounds are inflated for this reason.

He is not a highflying player like lebron. Kobe uses finesse to avoid contact. Melo is big kid an takes the pounding in the paint.
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4/23/2012  7:37 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/23/2012  7:38 AM
mrKnickShot wrote:I could not find a site that has this sorted so I just took some random looks:

STAT 9% (holy chit! thats alot!)

Melo 7% (that is high - last year he was at 4% so not sure what contributed to this. Was he hurt? Groin? Dogging? Maybe thats why his shot was off too - He did not have lift)
Granger 7%
Paul Pierce 5%
Rose 5%
Kobe 3%
Wade/James 3%

Where did you get that from? The only thing I could find is 82games.com but that site doesn't go back many years.
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