gunsnewing wrote:I give permission to thrash me for starting this thread. I will even arrange a date for me to be tied up and stoned. But im listening to radio and all I hear is everyone in the media say how can Melo be playing at such a high level under Woodson and he must've really hated Dantoni. You tell me how was Melo suppose to put up the numbers he is putting up now under Dantoni when he was running the offense through Lin and wanted Melo in the corner shooting 3's in the flow if the offense. Making him no more important than Landry Fields chucking and bricking open 3's? How does this critique of Melo make any sense?

Ban HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think some of you are suffering from PDSD: "Post D'Antoni Stress Disorder"

Anji wrote:Supreme is bring the ****ing Heat today.

**** the ****ing Heat!!

loweyecue wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I give permission to thrash me for starting this thread. I will even arrange a date for me to be tied up and stoned. But im listening to radio and all I hear is everyone in the media say how can Melo be playing at such a high level under Woodson and he must've really hated Dantoni. You tell me how was Melo suppose to put up the numbers he is putting up now under Dantoni when he was running the offense through Lin and wanted Melo in the corner shooting 3's in the flow if the offense. Making him no more important than Landry Fields chucking and bricking open 3's? How does this critique of Melo make any sense?

You will find what people questioned and still question was Melo's effort and NOT his numbers.
If Amare could string together 10+ 30 pt games in a row within the flow of the offense(that he had last year) so could Meli given his skills if he had tried to. And people also question the almost zero defense he played despite Woodson coaching defense even during the MDA part if the season.

This is not hard to understand. Now you and other fans have your opinion of MDA and everything he did was crap according to you and Melo couldn't possibly have done any wrong in your eyes as evidenced by yet another thread. Other people see it differently.OK?

They were both at fault. Case closed. Anyone who says differently is just being partisan (IMHO).

For much of the early season MDA had EVERYTHING go thru Melo. No coach has ever given him that much latitude to call his own number and also setup his teammates. It was new to him and it wasn't easy but he was actually making some progress. Melo was getting PLENTY of shots wherever he wanted them. It's a LIE to suggest that he was held back. This is what Melo was doing before he got hurt. Note how many shots he was taking per game before he sat down supposedly to heal up.

DATE	MIN	FGM-FGA	     FG%	3PM-3PA	3P%	FTM-FTA	     FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
Jan.	35.6	8.3-21.1     .393	1.4-4.4	.311	5.4-6.8	     .789	6.7	4.6	0.4	1.3	2.4	3.4	23.3

When Melo came back he was asked to blend in at that time because the team was winning playing the way they were with him out!!! This wasn't the case ALL YEAR as some make it seem. Under MDA he was taking 4.4 3pt attempts and under Woody he was at 3.3 last month and is at 4.6 this month. So where is this idea that MDA had Melo stuck out on the 3pt line not getting shots?

Here are Melo's game logs for the 10 games he played after he came back up until MDA resigned.

DATE	OPP	SCORE	  MIN	FGM-FGA	 FG%	3PM-3PA	 3P%	FTM-FTA	 FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
Mon 2/20 vs NJ L 92-100	   37	4-11	.364	0-0	.000	3-6	.500	3	6	0	1	3	6	11
Wed 2/22 vs ATL W 99-82	   27	7-16	.438	1-2	.500	0-0	.000	4	3	1	2	1	2	15
Thu 2/23 @ MIA L 88-102	   35	7-20	.350	1-1	1.000	4-4	1.000	7	1	1	0	4	1	19
Wed 2/29 vs CLE W 120-103  34	9-16	.563	1-3	.333	3-5	.600	5	4	0	0	3	0	22
Mon 3/12 @ Chi L 99-104	   39	8-21	.381	1-3	.333	4-4	1.000	8	3	1	2	4	2	21
Sun 3/4 @ BOS L 111-115	   35	8-21	.381	0-1	.000	9-10	.900	7	2	0	0	4	3	25
Tue 3/6	@ DAL L 85-95	   31	2-12	.167	0-3	.000	2-4	.500	8	1	0	0	1	2	6
Wed 3/7	@ SA L 105-118	   38	12-24	.500	3-7	.429	0-1	.000	2	3	0	2	5	2	27
Fri 3/9 @ MIL L 114-119	   37	7-17	.412	1-2	.500	7-10	.700	5	2	2	1	1	2	22
Sun 3/11 vs PHI L 94-106   29	5-13	.385	1-4	.250	11-12	.917	9	3	0	0	2	1	22

Too many of you guys are making a 10 game stretch into the narrative of the entire season under MDA. After Melo came back he averaged 17 shots a game. So under MDA he avg'd 21 shots before Linsanity and 17 after. Melo's shooting % didn't improve under Woody until March 28th the Orlando game. So basically for 12 games he's been on fire and avging 23 shots a game. Outside of that his performance was poor offensively. None of this takes into account how he magically improved his effort level on Defense and has been much more cooperative in doing many of the same things he was asked to do under MDA.

The truth is that Melo just stunk and it had nothing to do with MDA. He stunk cuz he just stunk. It wasn't number of shots or him being forced to stand around the 3 pt line. He wasn't hitting the MANY shots he was given period. His attitude was poor and it effected his game on both ends.

MozelGovCocktail wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:They were both at fault. Case closed. Anyone who says differently is just being partisan (IMHO).

Co-signed.

Ugh NOT! See the post above for FACTS!!!

loweyecue wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I give permission to thrash me for starting this thread. I will even arrange a date for me to be tied up and stoned. But im listening to radio and all I hear is everyone in the media say how can Melo be playing at such a high level under Woodson and he must've really hated Dantoni. You tell me how was Melo suppose to put up the numbers he is putting up now under Dantoni when he was running the offense through Lin and wanted Melo in the corner shooting 3's in the flow if the offense. Making him no more important than Landry Fields chucking and bricking open 3's? How does this critique of Melo make any sense?

You will find what people questioned and still question was Melo's effort and NOT his numbers.
If Amare could string together 10+ 30 pt games in a row within the flow of the offense(that he had last year) so could Meli given his skills if he had tried to. And people also question the almost zero defense he played despite Woodson coaching defense even during the MDA part if the season.

This is not hard to understand. Now you and other fans have your opinion of MDA and everything he did was crap according to you and Melo couldn't possibly have done any wrong in your eyes as evidenced by yet another thread. Other people see it differently.OK?

y2zipper wrote:

nixluva wrote:The truth is that Melo just stunk and it had nothing to do with MDA. He stunk cuz he just stunk. It wasn't number of shots or him being forced to stand around the 3 pt line. He wasn't hitting the MANY shots he was given period. His attitude was poor and it effected his game on both ends.

Nice post.

Melo "stinking" was a product of his shot not falling and not much else, the wrist and groin injuries notwithstanding. It's a reach to argue that his attitude and defensive effort were poor, especially with how good the Knicks defense has been over the course of the entire year. I'm not completely absolving him of "fault" in this situation, but I think the fight was overblown to begin with.

I have to disagree only in that i'm talking about the 10 game stretch where he came back and WAS NOT defending hard like he did the exact day MDA resigned and every game after that. There was a clear shift in his effort level from that day forward. He wasn't not defending all year, but clearly was during that losing streak before MDA resigned.

“I admire [Lin], but Carmelo had to fit in to a first-time player? Are you serious?” Mason said. “I think [Lin will] be good and he can contribute, but not as far as taking the ball from one of the hardest players in the league to defend.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/mase_give_melo_the_damn_ball_TSXwFGVI9yO3opHQXUE2qN#ixzz1sVGzai33