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Erniecat
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3/13/2012  10:53 PM
Apologies if someone posted this already.

I thought Howard Beck did a nice job of summing things up.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/14/sports/basketball/anthonys-return-has-hurt-the-knicks.html?_r=1&ref=sports


Anthony and Knicks Can’t Play Together
By HOWARD BECK

As they steeled themselves late Monday for a grinding, gripping final 12 minutes in Chicago, the Knicks broke into two factions along the bench. At one end, a swarm of players gathered around the coaching staff. At the other, Carmelo Anthony sat stoically, a towel over his shoulders, alone.

“I do that every game,” Anthony would say later, smiling.

Anthony knew he would be on the bench to start the fourth quarter, as he often is. It was perhaps not that vital for him to join his 14 teammates in the huddle. Yet in the context of the Knicks’ current struggles, the imagery was striking, and telling.

The Knicks are not a unified team. On one side is Anthony. On the other is everyone else.

It is evident in Anthony’s body language, in his teammates’ postgame remarks and in the minor wrinkles of the box score. It is most glaring in the win-loss ledger, which has been inverted since Anthony rejoined the lineup.

The Knicks were 7-1 without Anthony last month (including a victory over Utah in which he played only six minutes). They have lost 8 of 10 games since he returned.

For two weeks, the Knicks played a fluid, joyful game in which everyone thrived and pulled for one another. The joy has faded, pushed aside by tension and resentment and a six-game losing streak.

The causes are varied, and Anthony is not solely to blame. But multiple people with ties to the team cite a growing divide between Anthony and his teammates that is threatening to derail the season.

Anthony is breaking plays and demanding the ball in isolation, then snapping at teammates when they fail to get it to him. It happened late Monday, when Anthony called for the ball in the post, then smacked his hands in anger after Landry Fields went elsewhere. More often, Anthony saves the criticism for more private moments, on the bench or in the locker room.

Anthony wants the Knicks to play through him, as every team has throughout his career. He is, by is own admission, uncomfortable in an offense in which he is not the primary ball-handler. That role is now capably filled by Jeremy Lin and Baron Davis.

“He wants 20 shots a game,” a person with ties to another Knicks player said of Anthony. “He has had a scorer’s mentality his whole life.”

Yet the team that Anthony rejoined in late February no longer needs a 20-shot-a-game player. The Knicks have scoring options in Amar’e Stoudemire, Tyson Chandler, Steve Novak, Iman Shumpert, Fields and Lin — the group that spearheaded the seven-game winning streak last month. They have since added more scoring in Davis and J. R. Smith. They are at their best when everyone is involved.

That is the philosophy that Coach Mike D’Antoni preaches daily, one that is echoed by Stoudemire after nearly every defeat.

“All of us, every single player, has to buy into it, and give the coach a chance for his strategy to work,” Stoudemire said after Sunday’s loss to the Philadelphia 76ers. “If we don’t, then see what happens.”

These critiques and speeches about “sacrifice” are always unspecific and carefully worded, but it is understood that they are intended for Anthony, the only Knick talented enough to repeatedly break plays and get away with it.

The fact is, Anthony is not performing at a level that warrants more shots or self-indulgent play. He is shooting a career-low 40 percent from the field. The Knicks are 2-11 this season when he has 20 or more attempts.

For the past 10 games, the Knicks have been demonstrably worse when Anthony plays. With Anthony on the court, the Knicks are scoring at a rate of 97.7 points per 100 possessions. When he is on the bench, that rating soars to 109.8.

The contrast is just as sharp on defense: the Knicks give up 107.1 points per 100 possessions with Anthony on the court, 95.1 with Anthony on the bench. His personal differential, a minus-9.4 rating, is the worst on the team in that 10-game stretch.

Nor is Anthony fulfilling his presumed role as a clutch performer. He misfired repeatedly down the stretch in Chicago, adding to a string of fourth-quarter failures this season. He intentionally fouled Kyle Korver and sent him to the line on a key possession in the final minute, with the Knicks down by 4, after the players had been instructed to simply play defense.

This is not an issue of whether D’Antoni’s coaching or his system suits Anthony, or whether Anthony likes D’Antoni. The question is whether Anthony is willing to subjugate his game for the greater good, as his teammates are demanding.

If not, he risks losing more than just his team’s respect. Fans who swooned over Anthony 13 months ago are booing him during introductions. Columnists are dissecting every comment, every shot attempt and every sideline gesture.

The Knicks are 12-20 with Anthony in the lineup this season, and 25-34 since he put on the uniform.

Carmelo Anthony wanted the Knicks. He demanded the trade that cost them four starters and multiple draft picks, and the $65 million extension that came with it. Anthony wanted the New York spotlight. Now he must accept the glare.

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3/13/2012  11:25 PM
fantastic article by beck. he'll probably have his press credentials revoked by dolan now.
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3/13/2012  11:28 PM
Yes. I like Howard Beck and it was a very informative article.
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3/13/2012  11:32 PM
Wow. He trashed Melo. Beck is a guy who has sources and is credible. This is a damning portrayal of Anthony.
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3/13/2012  11:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/13/2012  11:37 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Wow. He trashed Melo. Beck is a guy who has sources and is credible. This is a damning portrayal of Anthony.

Yes. It is.

The end of the article he was a bit more balanced but I agree - Beck is a class guy and his take means alot to me. Man, breaking plays intentionally? That IS Marbury like!

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3/13/2012  11:35 PM
i've said all season that amar'e is clearly trying to send a message to melo in post-game comments. beck is saying the same thing now. hopefully melo listens. likely he won't. trade him.
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3/13/2012  11:36 PM
SH1T!!!!

After this article, Melo's shooting pct will go down to 30%

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3/13/2012  11:39 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:SH1T!!!!

After this article, Melo's shooting pct will go down to 30%

but he'll take more shots to keep his scoring average up...

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3/13/2012  11:43 PM
crzymdups wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:SH1T!!!!

After this article, Melo's shooting pct will go down to 30%

but he'll take more shots to keep his scoring average up...

Listen - MELO IS DEAD WRONG AND IS HANDLING HIMSELF LIKE A TOTAL PRICK but MDA is not completely off the hook. He is playing the power struggle game possibly and partially at every ones expense. Beck also mentioned many times that Melo cannot be successful in this offense as it stands. Would other hybrid types? Kobe, Lebron Durant?

Thats fine. If he does not fit here then Trade him! Please! We can't continue with both.

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3/13/2012  11:46 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:SH1T!!!!

After this article, Melo's shooting pct will go down to 30%

but he'll take more shots to keep his scoring average up...

Listen - MELO IS DEAD WRONG AND IS HANDLING HIMSELF LIKE A TOTAL PRICK but MDA is not completely off the hook. He is playing the power struggle game possibly and partially at every ones expense. Beck also mentioned many times that Melo cannot be successful in this offense as it stands. Would other hybrid types? Kobe, Lebron Durant?

Thats fine. If he does not fit here then Trade him! Please! We can't continue with both.

Dolan will pick Melo over MDA. So say goodbye to Lin, Fields, Novak, Jeffries, too.

Second time in as many years we've blown up a successful team for Melo. Who is not a guy who can take us out of the first round without MAJOR help.

Trade him.

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3/13/2012  11:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/13/2012  11:54 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:SH1T!!!!

After this article, Melo's shooting pct will go down to 30%

but he'll take more shots to keep his scoring average up...

Listen - MELO IS DEAD WRONG AND IS HANDLING HIMSELF LIKE A TOTAL PRICK but MDA is not completely off the hook. He is playing the power struggle game possibly and partially at every ones expense. Beck also mentioned many times that Melo cannot be successful in this offense as it stands. Would other hybrid types? Kobe, Lebron Durant?

Thats fine. If he does not fit here then Trade him! Please! We can't continue with both.

How can you say that about MDA. He has given Melo every opportunity to succeed. We literally ran the offense THRU MELO to start the year. After Lin came on, Melo sounded relieved not to have to try and be a PF, which is revealing since perhaps he never really bought into the role to begin with. He said now he can just worry about his own scoring rather than trying to get his teammates going.

As for whether a Kobe, Lebron or Durant would succeed, I think they'd have no problems. SSOL is just basketball. If you can handle the ball and make good decisions you'll succeed. Lebron would've done well and Durant would get every open shot he could hope for.

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3/13/2012  11:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/14/2012  12:01 AM
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:SH1T!!!!

After this article, Melo's shooting pct will go down to 30%

but he'll take more shots to keep his scoring average up...

Listen - MELO IS DEAD WRONG AND IS HANDLING HIMSELF LIKE A TOTAL PRICK but MDA is not completely off the hook. He is playing the power struggle game possibly and partially at every ones expense. Beck also mentioned many times that Melo cannot be successful in this offense as it stands. Would other hybrid types? Kobe, Lebron Durant?

Thats fine. If he does not fit here then Trade him! Please! We can't continue with both.

How can you say that about MDA.

You are right. I am sorry.

MDA is perfect and FAULTLESS.

my bad. you need to drink a bit more. I can't keep arguing with you. You are way too one sided and cannot see anything other than your side. Are you that way in politics too?

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3/14/2012  12:11 AM
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:SH1T!!!!

After this article, Melo's shooting pct will go down to 30%

but he'll take more shots to keep his scoring average up...

Listen - MELO IS DEAD WRONG AND IS HANDLING HIMSELF LIKE A TOTAL PRICK but MDA is not completely off the hook. He is playing the power struggle game possibly and partially at every ones expense. Beck also mentioned many times that Melo cannot be successful in this offense as it stands. Would other hybrid types? Kobe, Lebron Durant?

Thats fine. If he does not fit here then Trade him! Please! We can't continue with both.

How can you say that about MDA. He has given Melo every opportunity to succeed. We literally ran the offense THRU MELO to start the year. After Lin came on, Melo sounded relieved not to have to try and be a PF, which is revealing since perhaps he never really bought into the role to begin with. He said now he can just worry about his own scoring rather than trying to get his teammates going.

As for whether a Kobe, Lebron or Durant would succeed, I think they'd have no problems. SSOL is just basketball. If you can handle the ball and make good decisions you'll succeed. Lebron would've done well and Durant would get every open shot he could hope for.

I thing you need to loosen up and get your Alba count > 0!!

Whats up with that??

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3/14/2012  12:34 AM
mrKnickShot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:SH1T!!!!

After this article, Melo's shooting pct will go down to 30%

but he'll take more shots to keep his scoring average up...

Listen - MELO IS DEAD WRONG AND IS HANDLING HIMSELF LIKE A TOTAL PRICK but MDA is not completely off the hook. He is playing the power struggle game possibly and partially at every ones expense. Beck also mentioned many times that Melo cannot be successful in this offense as it stands. Would other hybrid types? Kobe, Lebron Durant?

Thats fine. If he does not fit here then Trade him! Please! We can't continue with both.

the coaches always go first unfortunately. i don't think MDA nor Melo will get NY a championship but i'd rather watch a team with MDA coaching without Melo. knick fans will continue to suffer...

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3/14/2012  12:51 AM
Melo + Davis for Kobe + Metta WP, adjusted for salary needs and balance. But essentially Kobe for Melo.

For Knicks: Proven leader and 2 guard who can score, plays defense and WINS.
For Lakers: Jettison Kobe while he still has value and build around Melo.

It's a win now desperation trade for us. Can someone check it in trade checker?

I am done with the "hooray for me" crap attitude from Melo. He can GF himself.

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3/14/2012  1:15 AM
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:SH1T!!!!

After this article, Melo's shooting pct will go down to 30%

but he'll take more shots to keep his scoring average up...

Listen - MELO IS DEAD WRONG AND IS HANDLING HIMSELF LIKE A TOTAL PRICK but MDA is not completely off the hook. He is playing the power struggle game possibly and partially at every ones expense. Beck also mentioned many times that Melo cannot be successful in this offense as it stands. Would other hybrid types? Kobe, Lebron Durant?

Thats fine. If he does not fit here then Trade him! Please! We can't continue with both.

How can you say that about MDA.

You are right. I am sorry.

MDA is perfect and FAULTLESS.

my bad. you need to drink a bit more. I can't keep arguing with you. You are way too one sided and cannot see anything other than your side. Are you that way in politics too?

This isn't about MDA being perfect. No one is suggesting that and it's really not the issue. MDA is a coach and coaches are hired to be fired. I support the team more than the coach and always have. Look They hired Walsh and then MDA knowing full well what his deal was. If you basically start from scratch after gutting your team and start to put a team together you would think that you'd look to build a team that perfectly fits what that Coach you hired does. The Knicks gave him a 4 year contract and completely rebuilt the team but then Dolan interfered with the plan. Dolan undermined MDA by practically forcing Walsh out and then they left MDA swinging in the wind with no Contract extension and Walsh, his biggest supporter gone.

This coach wasn't a mystery. EVERYONE knew he's a guy that needs a good PG and a great PG is even better. You need team oriented players and of course you might want to give him some shooters and a Center. We basically had a lot of that before the Melo trade. After we finally caught a break with Lin there was once again proof that his style can work with unselfish players. The team finally looked like a team. That's why I don't blame MDA. He just wants to win and he really doesn't play games. He's not into all that mental games crap. Don't accuse him of something he really isn't known for being at all, but quite the opposite.

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3/14/2012  1:28 AM
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:SH1T!!!!

After this article, Melo's shooting pct will go down to 30%

but he'll take more shots to keep his scoring average up...

Listen - MELO IS DEAD WRONG AND IS HANDLING HIMSELF LIKE A TOTAL PRICK but MDA is not completely off the hook. He is playing the power struggle game possibly and partially at every ones expense. Beck also mentioned many times that Melo cannot be successful in this offense as it stands. Would other hybrid types? Kobe, Lebron Durant?

Thats fine. If he does not fit here then Trade him! Please! We can't continue with both.

How can you say that about MDA.

You are right. I am sorry.

MDA is perfect and FAULTLESS.

my bad. you need to drink a bit more. I can't keep arguing with you. You are way too one sided and cannot see anything other than your side. Are you that way in politics too?

This isn't about MDA being perfect. No one is suggesting that and it's really not the issue. MDA is a coach and coaches are hired to be fired. I support the team more than the coach and always have. Look They hired Walsh and then MDA knowing full well what his deal was. If you basically start from scratch after gutting your team and start to put a team together you would think that you'd look to build a team that perfectly fits what that Coach you hired does. The Knicks gave him a 4 year contract and completely rebuilt the team but then Dolan interfered with the plan. Dolan undermined MDA by practically forcing Walsh out and then they left MDA swinging in the wind with no Contract extension and Walsh, his biggest supporter gone.

This coach wasn't a mystery. EVERYONE knew he's a guy that needs a good PG and a great PG is even better. You need team oriented players and of course you might want to give him some shooters and a Center. We basically had a lot of that before the Melo trade. After we finally caught a break with Lin there was once again proof that his style can work with unselfish players. The team finally looked like a team. That's why I don't blame MDA. He just wants to win and he really doesn't play games. He's not into all that mental games crap. Don't accuse him of something he really isn't known for being at all, but quite the opposite.

So when Melo was red hot in the Sixer game and MDA sat him - you gave him a pass (as usual) while everyone questioned it - including clyde - he was perplexed

When the knicks did not go to Amare and Melo in the fourth quarter especially when Amare was red hot - everyone questioned it - including Hubie Brown who was very surprised - and I respect Hubie Brown

You, still can't say it and while smarter people that us see faults in his coaching, you blindly defend him as if he is your father.

Thats my issue.

Of course Melo gets blame - He has killed us and I don't know if we can get out of this with him out this point. But be fair and open minded sometimes. It will give more credibility to your analyses and hard work.

If you believe that MDA made a mistake, would you call him out on it? Melo has averaged 24.7 points a game in his career even with Karl who did not get along with him. He shot 46% from the field. Why is MDA getting so much less?

If we are stuck with him, I sure hope MDA finds a way to get more out of him.

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3/14/2012  2:25 AM
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:SH1T!!!!

After this article, Melo's shooting pct will go down to 30%

but he'll take more shots to keep his scoring average up...

Listen - MELO IS DEAD WRONG AND IS HANDLING HIMSELF LIKE A TOTAL PRICK but MDA is not completely off the hook. He is playing the power struggle game possibly and partially at every ones expense. Beck also mentioned many times that Melo cannot be successful in this offense as it stands. Would other hybrid types? Kobe, Lebron Durant?

Thats fine. If he does not fit here then Trade him! Please! We can't continue with both.

How can you say that about MDA.

You are right. I am sorry.

MDA is perfect and FAULTLESS.

my bad. you need to drink a bit more. I can't keep arguing with you. You are way too one sided and cannot see anything other than your side. Are you that way in politics too?

This isn't about MDA being perfect. No one is suggesting that and it's really not the issue. MDA is a coach and coaches are hired to be fired. I support the team more than the coach and always have. Look They hired Walsh and then MDA knowing full well what his deal was. If you basically start from scratch after gutting your team and start to put a team together you would think that you'd look to build a team that perfectly fits what that Coach you hired does. The Knicks gave him a 4 year contract and completely rebuilt the team but then Dolan interfered with the plan. Dolan undermined MDA by practically forcing Walsh out and then they left MDA swinging in the wind with no Contract extension and Walsh, his biggest supporter gone.

This coach wasn't a mystery. EVERYONE knew he's a guy that needs a good PG and a great PG is even better. You need team oriented players and of course you might want to give him some shooters and a Center. We basically had a lot of that before the Melo trade. After we finally caught a break with Lin there was once again proof that his style can work with unselfish players. The team finally looked like a team. That's why I don't blame MDA. He just wants to win and he really doesn't play games. He's not into all that mental games crap. Don't accuse him of something he really isn't known for being at all, but quite the opposite.

So when Melo was red hot in the Sixer game and MDA sat him - you gave him a pass (as usual) while everyone questioned it - including clyde - he was perplexed

When the knicks did not go to Amare and Melo in the fourth quarter especially when Amare was red hot - everyone questioned it - including Hubie Brown who was very surprised - and I respect Hubie Brown

You, still can't say it and while smarter people that us see faults in his coaching, you blindly defend him as if he is your father.

Thats my issue.

Of course Melo gets blame - He has killed us and I don't know if we can get out of this with him out this point. But be fair and open minded sometimes. It will give more credibility to your analyses and hard work.

If you believe that MDA made a mistake, would you call him out on it? Melo has averaged 24.7 points a game in his career even with Karl who did not get along with him. He shot 46% from the field. Why is MDA getting so much less?

If we are stuck with him, I sure hope MDA finds a way to get more out of him.

What is wrong with you. You keep making this about me and it's not about me and your perception of my views of MDA. Stop reading into my writing and just pay attention to what i'm actually saying.

The coach isn't infallible, but when you have a player that is breaking off plays and pouts on the floor refusing to play team D when he isn't getting all the shots he want then you can't lay that on the coach. MELO HAD 21 SHOTS! The way the offense went in the fourth qtr in Chicago is a matter of a young PG trying to figure things out. You want to blame that on the coach. Think about how hard it is to run a play when you've got Melo yelling for the ball even tho you have STAT who is red hot and at the same time you really have to deal with what the defense is doing too. You end up making mistakes. Besides in the game thread I listed every shot the Knicks took from the 7 min mark when STAT entered the game in the 4th qtr and there were only 2 questionable shots taken. TWO!! One by Lin and 1 by Fields. That's not why they lost. They lost on the boards because neither STAT nor Melo hit the DEFENSIVE boards in the 4th.

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3/14/2012  5:07 AM
I hate Melo so much, it's really not fun to root for the Knicks these days. I loved the team we had at the start of last year, and I really enjoyed our stretch without him this season...

He's an other Dolan idea...

"Anthony is breaking plays and demanding the ball in isolation, then snapping at teammates when they fail to get it to him. It happened late Monday, when Anthony called for the ball in the post, then smacked his hands in anger after Landry Fields went elsewhere. More often, Anthony saves the criticism for more private moments, on the bench or in the locker room."

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3/14/2012  8:59 AM
This article sums up the feeling of most fans that have seen the team throughout this season.

Listen, when a team is playing this poorly, the blame has to be shared and every player and coach has some. But the point most are trying to make is that Mike D'antoni's system does work and it was proven at best with a team made up of bench players. It even kept working when Stoudemire came back.

Its no wonder things started to change when Melo came back. It isn't just the perception of this writer, but what we all fans have seen throughout Melo's career and even he has admitted to it, as the article states. Melo wants the offense to run through him. That means stopping the ball, going into isolations and working into double teams and shooting contested jumpers when somebody is open somewhere in the court.

Melo's actions since movng to NY have always been about him. He got here pushing a trade to get HIS money disregrding how empty he left the team talent-wise. Now he wants to be the top dog even if results have shown th team can be more effective playing the system.

Melo could be so effective in thi system if only he was willing to just fit in nd be one of the guys. Amar'e has done it. Why not Melo?

But he seems too stubborn to do it. NY could have a great story, just as great a Linsanity, if they got to play the system again as they did during that streak. But Im afraid Melo won't change, losses will mount and the guy tht will leav won't be the guy really responsible for it not woking.

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