How long is it going to take? Why can't D'Antoni coach his players from the sidelines during the game? Why is it so hard for everyone to move without the ball? We are squandering the talent we have and I don't know if there's a clear answer. But look at Miami last year, Boston their first year together, Indiana this year.....these are teams that went throug a lot of change and were able to succeed the way people expected. Yes, Miami struggled early but then dominated until the NBA finals.

I know we almost beat Boston and we came back tonight. But it's clear we have no identity and it's clear we're not very good.

What is wrong with the NY Knicks?

MSG3 wrote:Melo has been in this system for over a year. This is the only system STAT has ever known. Lin has shown he can excel in this system as has Chandler when Melo and STAT were out. I think the excuse of "needing time to gel" is overrated. Whats mostnimportantnis for the most important pieces to gel. We have all the talent a franchise could ask for. To me it's simple: either Melo is not trying to work in this system or D'Antoni is not doing a good job of coaching....or both.

How long is it going to take? Why can't D'Antoni coach his players from the sidelines during the game? Why is it so hard for everyone to move without the ball? We are squandering the talent we have and I don't know if there's a clear answer. But look at Miami last year, Boston their first year together, Indiana this year.....these are teams that went throug a lot of change and were able to succeed the way people expected. Yes, Miami struggled early but then dominated until the NBA finals.

I know we almost beat Boston and we came back tonight. But it's clear we have no identity and it's clear we're not very good.

What is wrong with the NY Knicks?

no. melo has been on the team for a calendar year, that is all.

Last year wasn't in the system, it was just about barely fitting in. This year, short training camp (was Tyson there for it all?) and then no PG until Lin.

So, it hasn't been consistent.

Remember Miami out of the gate last year? Full camp, full preseason, played like **** for 20 games.

martin wrote:

MSG3 wrote:Melo has been in this system for over a year. This is the only system STAT has ever known. Lin has shown he can excel in this system as has Chandler when Melo and STAT were out. I think the excuse of "needing time to gel" is overrated. Whats mostnimportantnis for the most important pieces to gel. We have all the talent a franchise could ask for. To me it's simple: either Melo is not trying to work in this system or D'Antoni is not doing a good job of coaching....or both.

How long is it going to take? Why can't D'Antoni coach his players from the sidelines during the game? Why is it so hard for everyone to move without the ball? We are squandering the talent we have and I don't know if there's a clear answer. But look at Miami last year, Boston their first year together, Indiana this year.....these are teams that went throug a lot of change and were able to succeed the way people expected. Yes, Miami struggled early but then dominated until the NBA finals.

I know we almost beat Boston and we came back tonight. But it's clear we have no identity and it's clear we're not very good.

What is wrong with the NY Knicks?

no. melo has been on the team for a calendar year, that is all.

For a player of his caliber isn't that enough to understand what he needs to do? Isn't that enough time for MDA to figure out how to bend his system for a "Star" talent?

MSG3 wrote:

martin wrote:

MSG3 wrote:Melo has been in this system for over a year. This is the only system STAT has ever known. Lin has shown he can excel in this system as has Chandler when Melo and STAT were out. I think the excuse of "needing time to gel" is overrated. Whats mostnimportantnis for the most important pieces to gel. We have all the talent a franchise could ask for. To me it's simple: either Melo is not trying to work in this system or D'Antoni is not doing a good job of coaching....or both.

How long is it going to take? Why can't D'Antoni coach his players from the sidelines during the game? Why is it so hard for everyone to move without the ball? We are squandering the talent we have and I don't know if there's a clear answer. But look at Miami last year, Boston their first year together, Indiana this year.....these are teams that went throug a lot of change and were able to succeed the way people expected. Yes, Miami struggled early but then dominated until the NBA finals.

I know we almost beat Boston and we came back tonight. But it's clear we have no identity and it's clear we're not very good.

What is wrong with the NY Knicks?

no. melo has been on the team for a calendar year, that is all.

For a player of his caliber isn't that enough to understand what he needs to do? Isn't that enough time for MDA to figure out how to bend his system for a "Star" talent?

have you payed attention to what has at all happened? Lockout? PG? Injury?

martin wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

martin wrote:

MSG3 wrote:Melo has been in this system for over a year. This is the only system STAT has ever known. Lin has shown he can excel in this system as has Chandler when Melo and STAT were out. I think the excuse of "needing time to gel" is overrated. Whats mostnimportantnis for the most important pieces to gel. We have all the talent a franchise could ask for. To me it's simple: either Melo is not trying to work in this system or D'Antoni is not doing a good job of coaching....or both.

How long is it going to take? Why can't D'Antoni coach his players from the sidelines during the game? Why is it so hard for everyone to move without the ball? We are squandering the talent we have and I don't know if there's a clear answer. But look at Miami last year, Boston their first year together, Indiana this year.....these are teams that went throug a lot of change and were able to succeed the way people expected. Yes, Miami struggled early but then dominated until the NBA finals.

I know we almost beat Boston and we came back tonight. But it's clear we have no identity and it's clear we're not very good.

What is wrong with the NY Knicks?

no. melo has been on the team for a calendar year, that is all.

For a player of his caliber isn't that enough to understand what he needs to do? Isn't that enough time for MDA to figure out how to bend his system for a "Star" talent?

have you payed attention to what has at all happened? Lockout? PG? Injury?

martin, what is your point?

melo goes down on feb 6th against the jazz. the knicks go 7-1 with melo injured. upon his return, the knicks are now 2-4. same guys, with melo back.

lockout, pg, injury...it all doesn't matter. nuggets win once melo is gone. knicks win once melo is gone. melo comes back and all of a sudden its "lockout, pgs, injury." melo IS the problem.

martin wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

martin wrote:

MSG3 wrote:Melo has been in this system for over a year. This is the only system STAT has ever known. Lin has shown he can excel in this system as has Chandler when Melo and STAT were out. I think the excuse of "needing time to gel" is overrated. Whats mostnimportantnis for the most important pieces to gel. We have all the talent a franchise could ask for. To me it's simple: either Melo is not trying to work in this system or D'Antoni is not doing a good job of coaching....or both.

How long is it going to take? Why can't D'Antoni coach his players from the sidelines during the game? Why is it so hard for everyone to move without the ball? We are squandering the talent we have and I don't know if there's a clear answer. But look at Miami last year, Boston their first year together, Indiana this year.....these are teams that went throug a lot of change and were able to succeed the way people expected. Yes, Miami struggled early but then dominated until the NBA finals.

I know we almost beat Boston and we came back tonight. But it's clear we have no identity and it's clear we're not very good.

What is wrong with the NY Knicks?

no. melo has been on the team for a calendar year, that is all.

For a player of his caliber isn't that enough to understand what he needs to do? Isn't that enough time for MDA to figure out how to bend his system for a "Star" talent?

have you payed attention to what has at all happened? Lockout? PG? Injury?

I've been to almost every home game for 5 seasons. I've been paying attention. Every team had to deal with a lockout and injuries. Look at Indy. They incorporated some new important players and they are fine. And now we have a PG. isn't it concerning that we don't even see signs of our superstar playing like one or our coach trying to make adjustments to the same things that hurt us every game?

All I want to know is everyone's opinion of what is wrong. I dont think the lockout, injury and PG excuses can be used any more.

Have you paid attention to how many teams we've lost to on their back to backs, how many times we start off slow, come back, get blown out in the 3rd and have to claw back to just fall short? Or how we continue to get killed on our defensive switches? Or a ton of other maddening things that our coaches and players seemingly can't fix?

crzymdups wrote:^ i don't think it's just Melo - it's the fact that Melo and MDA do not get how to work together. you can see it. they barely acknowledge one another on the court. Melo doesn't get the system, MDA doesn't want to change his system to fit Melo's game. oil and water. dolan will get melo's back. kiss MDA and Lin goodbye. que sera.

what if dolan realizes there's more value from LINSANITY than there is with melo pouting around and the knicks stinking?

crzymdups wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:

crzymdups wrote:^ i don't think it's just Melo - it's the fact that Melo and MDA do not get how to work together. you can see it. they barely acknowledge one another on the court. Melo doesn't get the system, MDA doesn't want to change his system to fit Melo's game. oil and water. dolan will get melo's back. kiss MDA and Lin goodbye. que sera.

what if dolan realizes there's more value from LINSANITY than there is with melo pouting around and the knicks stinking?

yeah, but dolan brought in melo. you don't think he considers melo his pet project? i do.

i agree with MSG3 - this is about melo being stubborn and mda being stubborn. all it's gonna cost the team is the whole season.

MDA has a system; he's the head coach. its up to players to play in it. that'd be like signing phil jackson to be head coach and saying both he and melo are being stubborn because melo is too stupid to figure out how to play in the triangle.

martin wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

martin wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

martin wrote:

MSG3 wrote:Melo has been in this system for over a year. This is the only system STAT has ever known. Lin has shown he can excel in this system as has Chandler when Melo and STAT were out. I think the excuse of "needing time to gel" is overrated. Whats mostnimportantnis for the most important pieces to gel. We have all the talent a franchise could ask for. To me it's simple: either Melo is not trying to work in this system or D'Antoni is not doing a good job of coaching....or both.

How long is it going to take? Why can't D'Antoni coach his players from the sidelines during the game? Why is it so hard for everyone to move without the ball? We are squandering the talent we have and I don't know if there's a clear answer. But look at Miami last year, Boston their first year together, Indiana this year.....these are teams that went throug a lot of change and were able to succeed the way people expected. Yes, Miami struggled early but then dominated until the NBA finals.

I know we almost beat Boston and we came back tonight. But it's clear we have no identity and it's clear we're not very good.

What is wrong with the NY Knicks?

no. melo has been on the team for a calendar year, that is all.

For a player of his caliber isn't that enough to understand what he needs to do? Isn't that enough time for MDA to figure out how to bend his system for a "Star" talent?

have you payed attention to what has at all happened? Lockout? PG? Injury?

I've been to almost every home game for 5 seasons. I've been paying attention. Every team had to deal with a lockout and injuries. Look at Indy. They incorporated some new important players and they are fine. And now we have a PG. isn't it concerning that we don't even see signs of our superstar playing like one or our coach trying to make adjustments to the same things that hurt us every game?

All I want to know is everyone's opinion of what is wrong. I dont think the lockout, injury and PG excuses can be used any more.

Have you paid attention to how many teams we've lost to on their back to backs, how many times we start off slow, come back, get blown out in the 3rd and have to claw back to just fall short? Or how we continue to get killed on our defensive switches? Or a ton of other maddening things that our coaches and players seemingly can't fix?

Melo has played with Lin for what... 6 games? With exactly 3 practices. Are you suggesting they should be playing as well as say Collison and Granger?

You stated that Melo has been in the system for a year, which I said was wrong because of Lockout, injuries, etc.

You're playing devil's advocate.

It took JR SWAGBALLS all of 5 minutes to "learn the system" or "learn to play with Lin".

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

martin wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

martin wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

martin wrote:

MSG3 wrote:Melo has been in this system for over a year. This is the only system STAT has ever known. Lin has shown he can excel in this system as has Chandler when Melo and STAT were out. I think the excuse of "needing time to gel" is overrated. Whats mostnimportantnis for the most important pieces to gel. We have all the talent a franchise could ask for. To me it's simple: either Melo is not trying to work in this system or D'Antoni is not doing a good job of coaching....or both.

How long is it going to take? Why can't D'Antoni coach his players from the sidelines during the game? Why is it so hard for everyone to move without the ball? We are squandering the talent we have and I don't know if there's a clear answer. But look at Miami last year, Boston their first year together, Indiana this year.....these are teams that went throug a lot of change and were able to succeed the way people expected. Yes, Miami struggled early but then dominated until the NBA finals.

I know we almost beat Boston and we came back tonight. But it's clear we have no identity and it's clear we're not very good.

What is wrong with the NY Knicks?

no. melo has been on the team for a calendar year, that is all.

For a player of his caliber isn't that enough to understand what he needs to do? Isn't that enough time for MDA to figure out how to bend his system for a "Star" talent?

have you payed attention to what has at all happened? Lockout? PG? Injury?

I've been to almost every home game for 5 seasons. I've been paying attention. Every team had to deal with a lockout and injuries. Look at Indy. They incorporated some new important players and they are fine. And now we have a PG. isn't it concerning that we don't even see signs of our superstar playing like one or our coach trying to make adjustments to the same things that hurt us every game?

All I want to know is everyone's opinion of what is wrong. I dont think the lockout, injury and PG excuses can be used any more.

Have you paid attention to how many teams we've lost to on their back to backs, how many times we start off slow, come back, get blown out in the 3rd and have to claw back to just fall short? Or how we continue to get killed on our defensive switches? Or a ton of other maddening things that our coaches and players seemingly can't fix?

Melo has played with Lin for what... 6 games? With exactly 3 practices. Are you suggesting they should be playing as well as say Collison and Granger?

You stated that Melo has been in the system for a year, which I said was wrong because of Lockout, injuries, etc.

You're playing devil's advocate.

It took JR SWAGBALLS all of 5 minutes to "learn the system" or "learn to play with Lin".

the last 2-3 games he forgot what he learned.

MSG3 wrote:

martin wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

martin wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

martin wrote:

MSG3 wrote:Melo has been in this system for over a year. This is the only system STAT has ever known. Lin has shown he can excel in this system as has Chandler when Melo and STAT were out. I think the excuse of "needing time to gel" is overrated. Whats mostnimportantnis for the most important pieces to gel. We have all the talent a franchise could ask for. To me it's simple: either Melo is not trying to work in this system or D'Antoni is not doing a good job of coaching....or both.

How long is it going to take? Why can't D'Antoni coach his players from the sidelines during the game? Why is it so hard for everyone to move without the ball? We are squandering the talent we have and I don't know if there's a clear answer. But look at Miami last year, Boston their first year together, Indiana this year.....these are teams that went throug a lot of change and were able to succeed the way people expected. Yes, Miami struggled early but then dominated until the NBA finals.

I know we almost beat Boston and we came back tonight. But it's clear we have no identity and it's clear we're not very good.

What is wrong with the NY Knicks?

no. melo has been on the team for a calendar year, that is all.

For a player of his caliber isn't that enough to understand what he needs to do? Isn't that enough time for MDA to figure out how to bend his system for a "Star" talent?

have you payed attention to what has at all happened? Lockout? PG? Injury?

I've been to almost every home game for 5 seasons. I've been paying attention. Every team had to deal with a lockout and injuries. Look at Indy. They incorporated some new important players and they are fine. And now we have a PG. isn't it concerning that we don't even see signs of our superstar playing like one or our coach trying to make adjustments to the same things that hurt us every game?

All I want to know is everyone's opinion of what is wrong. I dont think the lockout, injury and PG excuses can be used any more.

Have you paid attention to how many teams we've lost to on their back to backs, how many times we start off slow, come back, get blown out in the 3rd and have to claw back to just fall short? Or how we continue to get killed on our defensive switches? Or a ton of other maddening things that our coaches and players seemingly can't fix?

Melo has played with Lin for what... 6 games? With exactly 3 practices. Are you suggesting they should be playing as well as say Collison and Granger?

You stated that Melo has been in the system for a year, which I said was wrong because of Lockout, injuries, etc.

Collison and Granger had to adjust to David West and George Hill taking minutes and adjusting to new roles and coaching and they have been very good. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect Melo to be playing like he knows what he's doing out there. Melo/Lin doesn't have to be Stockton/Malone, but Lin has been good for most of his first month of real playing time in the league. Melo is a superstar Veteran and should be better than he is at this point. Why can't we expect the Knicks to be playing AT LEAST as good as the Pacers?

And this isn't only about Melo. I really like Melo and think he's one of the best in the game. This is more about what the problem is with the team and what can the coaches do to fix it. It seems like the same problems every game for the most part.

i see Melo missing a TON of shots.