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Is It More Important For Carmelo to be More Efficient, Or For Lin To Cut His Turnovers?
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misterearl
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2/28/2012  1:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/28/2012  1:06 PM
The season starts tomorrow night vs the cavs.

...according to ESPN Stats & Information's Jeremy Mills, the Knicks' offensive efficiency has taken a slight dip since Anthony came back. New York had been playing to an offensive efficiency of 100.2 in the first nine games that Lin played major minutes (Anthony played in the first game, was hurt six minutes into the second and sat out the following seven).

In the three games since Anthony has returned, the Knicks' offensive efficiency (a measurement of points per 100 possessions) is 95.2. Their offensive efficiency for the season is 97.9. Three games is a very small sample size and five points per 100 possessions over that span isn't anything monumental.

But if it were to play out over a full season, the difference between 100.2 and 95.2 is 13 spots in the league rankings.

Still, Anthony hasn't done anything to completely dismantle the ball movement and spacing established by Lin.

He took 13 shots in the second half against Miami with Lin struggling. But other than that, his shot total has been reasonable and most of his attempts have come within the flow of the offense.

Translation: Carmelo If Anthony takes 20 shots, he is expected to make at least 8 of them. 8.6 puts him equal to the .435 that Kobe shoots from the field. Anything less is wackness and slackness.

Linsanity is now a part of the global lexicon. That translates into extra motivation for opposing guards who do NOT want to become unwilling participants player on a poster or highlight clip. Since taking over as the Knicks' starting point guard, Lin has committed a whopping 59 turnovers in 10 games.

Six turnovers per game is too many.

Translation: Using Miami as a model, the defensive pressure on Lin will be turned up five degrees.

At 6'3 190 Kyrie Irving is an ideal matchup for Lin to start the second half. Irving shooting 41 per cent from three point range is no typo.

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2/28/2012  1:25 PM
LIn and the knicks can prepare better going forward.

LinSanity has been a on the fly learing curve for all.

He will be forced left, doubled, left open, and the middle packed.

So the kicks have to take advantage of what the Defense gives you.

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2/28/2012  1:29 PM
more important for Melo to be efficient. Lin's turnovers are a product of him trying to get teammates involved. Melo's inefficiency is a product of bad shot selection. i can live with Lin trying to make creative plays for others and turning it over occasionally. i can't live with Melo taking contested fadeaways on a regular basis.
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2/28/2012  1:30 PM
misterearl wrote:Translation: Using Miami as a model, the defensive pressure on Lin will be turned up five degrees.

i love when people say that teams are going to use the "Miami Model." is that so? how exactly will other teams do this? are there super athletes that are committed to defense like Lebron and Wade on every team?

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2/28/2012  1:59 PM
eViL wrote:
misterearl wrote:Translation: Using Miami as a model, the defensive pressure on Lin will be turned up five degrees.

i love when people say that teams are going to use the "Miami Model." is that so? how exactly will other teams do this? are there super athletes that are committed to defense like Lebron and Wade on every team?

The super athletes that punked Lin were Mario Chalmers and Norris Cole, who simply managed to poke the ball out from under Lin's nose as he was crossing the halfcourt line.

Yes, there are ballhawking defenders on other teams.

Boston - Rondo, Avery Johnson
OKC - Westbrook

He might even struggle against Chicago.

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2/28/2012  2:01 PM
as Melo's efficiency rises, Lin's turnovers will lessen.
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2/28/2012  2:01 PM
this week is the real training camp they didn't get to have earlier.

the team knows what it is now and knows what it needs to work on.

practice today, game against cleveland, then three more days of practice. we talkin' bout practice!

i think the first game after cleveland, after all this practice, will be a big deal for this team.

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2/28/2012  2:08 PM
crzymdups wrote:this week is the real training camp they didn't get to have earlier.

the team knows what it is now and knows what it needs to work on.

practice today, game against cleveland, then three more days of practice. we talkin' bout practice!

i think the first game after cleveland, after all this practice, will be a big deal for this team.

yes... Melo booked private charter to be back early for practice, although it turned out NBA rules prohibit. These guys are all talking about how excited they are to practice together. Things really are bizarro in Knick world.

I expect a pretty big 2nd half.

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2/28/2012  2:23 PM
Yeah Lin needs to work on taking care of the ball a little better. i think the turnovers have almost been negated because of the points he's putting up and the fact that they're winning games.

i have confidence that he'll improve with experience.

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2/28/2012  2:30 PM
airchibundo507 wrote:
eViL wrote:
misterearl wrote:Translation: Using Miami as a model, the defensive pressure on Lin will be turned up five degrees.

i love when people say that teams are going to use the "Miami Model." is that so? how exactly will other teams do this? are there super athletes that are committed to defense like Lebron and Wade on every team?

The super athletes that punked Lin were Mario Chalmers and Norris Cole, who simply managed to poke the ball out from under Lin's nose as he was crossing the halfcourt line.

Yes, there are ballhawking defenders on other teams.

Boston - Rondo, Avery Johnson
OKC - Westbrook

He might even struggle against Chicago.

No, it was Dwayne and Lebron who shut down Lin by cutting off his options. Lin could handle the guards by finding open shooters. Problem was when he drove and kicked, Lebron and Dwayne were the unintended recipients. Lin isn't a one man show: He needs the rest of the team to step up and knock down shots. He needs the dudes getting his passes to be in position and to come get the ball. He needs teammates who play better than Amare.

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2/28/2012  3:42 PM
eViL wrote:more important for Melo to be efficient. Lin's turnovers are a product of him trying to get teammates involved. Melo's inefficiency is a product of bad shot selection. i can live with Lin trying to make creative plays for others and turning it over occasionally. i can't live with Melo taking contested fadeaways on a regular basis.

eVil - just curious, what minimum percentage would you expect Carmelo to shoot from the field?

Help me out here, when has Carmelo taken contested fadeaways on a regular basis during the Lin Dynasty?

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2/28/2012  3:44 PM
airchibundo507 wrote:as Melo's efficiency rises, Lin's turnovers will lessen.

Would please define how you determine Carmelo's efficiency?

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2/28/2012  4:03 PM
misterearl wrote:
airchibundo507 wrote:as Melo's efficiency rises, Lin's turnovers will lessen.

Would please define how you determine Carmelo's efficiency?

45% is about the benchmark for a star scorer with poor shot selection (see Kobe)

with his talent he should really be at 47-48%.

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2/28/2012  4:37 PM
Lin needs to cut down the turnovers. I think this will occur if Davis can play 15 minutes a game. If Lin is not as fatigued, he should be able to focus on protecting the ball.
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2/28/2012  4:41 PM
Moonangie wrote:
airchibundo507 wrote:
eViL wrote:
misterearl wrote:Translation: Using Miami as a model, the defensive pressure on Lin will be turned up five degrees.

i love when people say that teams are going to use the "Miami Model." is that so? how exactly will other teams do this? are there super athletes that are committed to defense like Lebron and Wade on every team?

The super athletes that punked Lin were Mario Chalmers and Norris Cole, who simply managed to poke the ball out from under Lin's nose as he was crossing the halfcourt line.

Yes, there are ballhawking defenders on other teams.

Boston - Rondo, Avery Johnson
OKC - Westbrook

He might even struggle against Chicago.

No, it was Dwayne and Lebron who shut down Lin by cutting off his options. Lin could handle the guards by finding open shooters. Problem was when he drove and kicked, Lebron and Dwayne were the unintended recipients. Lin isn't a one man show: He needs the rest of the team to step up and knock down shots. He needs the dudes getting his passes to be in position and to come get the ball. He needs teammates who play better than Amare.

did you watch the game? Cole and Chalmers (and Wade and LBJ) took turns commiting assault and battery on Lin

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2/28/2012  5:03 PM
Lin has to cut his turnovers(3 or 4 tops/game). Less turnovers means more possessions and scoring opportunities for everyone, including Melo.
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2/28/2012  5:29 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:Lin has to cut his turnovers(3 or 4 tops/game). Less turnovers means more possessions and scoring opportunities for everyone, including Melo.

ChuckBuck - you are asking for a huge incremental improvement from a freshman, but you are dead on accurate.

9+ assists and 4 turnovers puts Lin in some elite NBA company.

Junior year maybe?

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2/28/2012  5:30 PM
It's Melo's efficiency that must improve.

The nagging negative on him is that he is a volume chucker. Less than 40% from the field for 21 points is unacceptable this year. That's Iverson territory.

21 points on 39% fg is worse than Lin's 5 or 6 turnovers.

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2/28/2012  5:35 PM
airchibundo507 wrote:
eViL wrote:
misterearl wrote:Translation: Using Miami as a model, the defensive pressure on Lin will be turned up five degrees.

i love when people say that teams are going to use the "Miami Model." is that so? how exactly will other teams do this? are there super athletes that are committed to defense like Lebron and Wade on every team?

The super athletes that punked Lin were Mario Chalmers and Norris Cole, who simply managed to poke the ball out from under Lin's nose as he was crossing the halfcourt line.

Yes, there are ballhawking defenders on other teams.

Boston - Rondo, Avery Johnson
OKC - Westbrook

He might even struggle against Chicago.

I'm beaten to this already, but LeBron James and Dwayne Wade are the best combination of wing defenders in the league and cut off the passing lanes. That's why Lin couldn't find open guys and why Cole and Chalmers were so effective. No other team can duplicate that type of attack.

Melo needs to be more efficient. Lin's turnovers actually aren't a big deal given his usage rate, but Carmelo and Amar'e both need to be more efficient. Melo will play in the flow of the offense and can ISO when Lin struggles.

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2/28/2012  5:47 PM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:21 points on 39% fg is worse than Lin's 5 or 6 turnovers.

Can you prove that mathematically?

The six average turnovers could lead to 12 points. In the NBA, that is a lot to spot any team.

And I love Jeremy Lin.

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