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Knixkik
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2/23/2012  7:04 PM
The major concern with trading for Melo was losing all of the depth and being left with Stoudemire, Melo, and no one else. Well, we may have traded Gallo, Chandler, Moz, and Felton, but have successfully replaced them with Lin, Shumpert, Smith, Novak, Jeffries, and Harrellson. You could argue that it is a better supporting cast, especially considering Lin. Also, 2 months ago we were only 5 or 6 players deep. We are now 9 or 10 with the addition of Lin, Smith, Novak, and even Davis. The issues now are based around chemstry, but for those who argued trading for Melo ruined the future of the team based on dealing every asset, those arguments are out the window. Just figured i would mention this fact.
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2/23/2012  7:11 PM
Walsh and Grunwald have done a great job replenishing the bench. Lin, Jordan, Jorts, Shump and Fields give a team without many draft picks a good stock of young players. Novak, Davis, Jeffries and Smith all were great signings.
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2/23/2012  7:18 PM
How weird is it that starting PG and starting C are now 2 of our strengths?
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2/23/2012  8:25 PM
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2/25/2012  12:33 AM
Knixkik wrote:The major concern with trading for Melo was losing all of the depth and being left with Stoudemire, Melo, and no one else. Well, we may have traded Gallo, Chandler, Moz, and Felton, but have successfully replaced them with Lin, Shumpert, Smith, Novak, Jeffries, and Harrellson. You could argue that it is a better supporting cast, especially considering Lin. Also, 2 months ago we were only 5 or 6 players deep. We are now 9 or 10 with the addition of Lin, Smith, Novak, and even Davis. The issues now are based around chemstry, but for those who argued trading for Melo ruined the future of the team based on dealing every asset, those arguments are out the window. Just figured i would mention this fact.

you fail to point out how the amnesty has affected, lock out, and waiver wire has rolled the dice in our favor....

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2/25/2012  2:05 AM
Definitely lots of luck involved in our good fortune. How sweet it is!
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2/25/2012  9:52 AM
RonRon wrote:
Knixkik wrote:The major concern with trading for Melo was losing all of the depth and being left with Stoudemire, Melo, and no one else. Well, we may have traded Gallo, Chandler, Moz, and Felton, but have successfully replaced them with Lin, Shumpert, Smith, Novak, Jeffries, and Harrellson. You could argue that it is a better supporting cast, especially considering Lin. Also, 2 months ago we were only 5 or 6 players deep. We are now 9 or 10 with the addition of Lin, Smith, Novak, and even Davis. The issues now are based around chemstry, but for those who argued trading for Melo ruined the future of the team based on dealing every asset, those arguments are out the window. Just figured i would mention this fact.

you fail to point out how the amnesty has affected, lock out, and waiver wire has rolled the dice in our favor....

What difference does that make? Am i supposed to be looking for an excuse or justify why management has been able to successfully replenish our supporting cast? I'm not really sure how pointing out how they did it is relevant, just simply pointed out they were able to.

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2/25/2012  11:00 AM
This was my biggest concern when we traded for Melo - how were we going to build around him? But I'm really impressed with the free-agent pickups and drafting the Knicks have done. Call it luck or not but they've gotten more quality players in a shorter time then I though possible given the constraints. Excellent job.

Do the parts fit? We'll see but I think management has done a great job getting players.

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2/25/2012  11:44 AM
There was a contingent of people here that made the point that this team was going to have options for restocking the roster behind the stars despite the heavy price paid. I didn't know the specifics, but there was a lot of mention of the Free Agent markets and possible trades etc. I think Walsh and Glen did a great job of rebuilding the roster. The draft went very well with Shump and Jorts.

Glen has done what a GM is supposed to do. He talks with his coach and figures out what the team needs and what the coach also needs to get the job done. So Glen has made moves to make the TEAM better and also to give the coach the tools he needs to succeed. How can anyone argue against Tyson given what he's done to the team defense? Glen didn't leave it there, he also made the Lin pick up which was a kid he knew would be a good fit, even if he didn't know how it would all work out. That's not his job. Glen's job is to get the talent and then let the coach figure our how to implement those players. Guys like Novak.

Glen has literally given his coach just about everything he needs. MDA can reach into his bench and pull out a specialist for just about any task. All of this has been done in just one year!!!

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2/25/2012  11:56 AM
Who would of thought that not only would our supporting cast have been replenished so quick, but that we would be in danger of losing some of them due to $$$.

JR - is going to be able to get more money. But he still might take his extension and get a bigger bump in pay the following year.
Novak - He is looking better on defense and his shot is incredible. I still think he might get offered more money elsewhere but perhaps he comes back anyway, same reasons as with JR.
Davis - We may very well lose him as well, but since he is getting paid for next year anyway, there is a good chance he stays imo.
Bibby - probably not back and that is a good thing.
Walker - he might be back depending what happens with Novak. But I don't see him getting many minutes from here on out, so that will be a factor.
Douglas - Is signed (deal with it. ehee) Hopefully he clears his head up and starts playing like he used to.
Jordon - A great developmental project, true 7fter. Shows signs of being a very good defensive player and adequate offensive player (someday).

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2/25/2012  12:05 PM
nixluva wrote:There was a contingent of people here that made the point that this team was going to have options for restocking the roster behind the stars despite the heavy price paid. I didn't know the specifics, but there was a lot of mention of the Free Agent markets and possible trades etc. I think Walsh and Glen did a great job of rebuilding the roster. The draft went very well with Shump and Jorts.

Glen has done what a GM is supposed to do. He talks with his coach and figures out what the team needs and what the coach also needs to get the job done. So Glen has made moves to make the TEAM better and also to give the coach the tools he needs to succeed. How can anyone argue against Tyson given what he's done to the team defense? Glen didn't leave it there, he also made the Lin pick up which was a kid he knew would be a good fit, even if he didn't know how it would all work out. That's not his job. Glen's job is to get the talent and then let the coach figure our how to implement those players. Guys like Novak.

Glen has literally given his coach just about everything he needs. MDA can reach into his bench and pull out a specialist for just about any task. All of this has been done in just one year!!!

They have certainly done a great job working together to add the right pieces. I am happy to say i knew we would find a way to replenish from the start, one of the main reasons i wanted to bring it up. I am huge on the Melo trade and believe it will eventually pay off. I have a feeling we will see thru the rest of the season, and based where we fall short, really look at what changes need to be made to win championship next season. There will be one more dramatic change to the roster in the offseason. I think we eventually see Melo, Lin, and Chandler become an awesome core with players like Smith, Novak, Fields, and Shumpert being a great supporting cast because of their abilities to shoot and/or move without the ball in this offense. The main component i left out is of course Stoudemire. I hope i am wrong but i think they will determine he needs to be sent out for anything possible and be replaced by a stretch-4. The logical destination would be orlando (owner won't rebuild, stoudemire would be the best player ever to play next to Dwight, he is a local product) in a deal that would include Turkoglu and Anderson coming back. Again, i hope i am wrong so we will see what the outcome is. Imagine a PF like Anderson in this offense. Melo playing PF on offense, and Anderson still defending the PF position.

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2/26/2012  12:15 PM
Funny how the haters haven't responded to this thread. They have been proven WRONG. As I stated early on
the Nuggets would be a lottery team and the Knicks would be a serious contender. Everything is unfolding
as I expected. Whenver you get the best player in a deal you will win long term, but coming to that conclusion
requires patience and insight that the haters do not possess.
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2/26/2012  12:26 PM
Calling that a little early, given that Denver are over .500 and we're under.
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2/26/2012  12:30 PM
Knixkik wrote:
RonRon wrote:
Knixkik wrote:The major concern with trading for Melo was losing all of the depth and being left with Stoudemire, Melo, and no one else. Well, we may have traded Gallo, Chandler, Moz, and Felton, but have successfully replaced them with Lin, Shumpert, Smith, Novak, Jeffries, and Harrellson. You could argue that it is a better supporting cast, especially considering Lin. Also, 2 months ago we were only 5 or 6 players deep. We are now 9 or 10 with the addition of Lin, Smith, Novak, and even Davis. The issues now are based around chemstry, but for those who argued trading for Melo ruined the future of the team based on dealing every asset, those arguments are out the window. Just figured i would mention this fact.

you fail to point out how the amnesty has affected, lock out, and waiver wire has rolled the dice in our favor....

What difference does that make? Am i supposed to be looking for an excuse or justify why management has been able to successfully replenish our supporting cast? I'm not really sure how pointing out how they did it is relevant, just simply pointed out they were able to.

Very good points, Knix....I totally agree. Why does it matter how the Knicks/Grunwald replinished the roster, the fact of the matter is he pulled it off and we are restocked for now.

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2/26/2012  12:33 PM
FeltonandAmare wrote:Funny how the haters haven't responded to this thread. They have been proven WRONG. As I stated early on
the Nuggets would be a lottery team and the Knicks would be a serious contender. Everything is unfolding
as I expected. Whenver you get the best player in a deal you will win long term, but coming to that conclusion
requires patience and insight that the haters do not possess.

The Best Player in the deal that has led us to an 8-16 record with him on the floor and is shooting under 40% for 21 points.

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2/26/2012  12:37 PM
FeltonandAmare wrote:Funny how the haters haven't responded to this thread. They have been proven WRONG. As I stated early on
the Nuggets would be a lottery team and the Knicks would be a serious contender. Everything is unfolding
as I expected. Whenver you get the best player in a deal you will win long term, but coming to that conclusion
requires patience and insight that the haters do not possess.

I didn't like the trade but accepted it. The thing is, Denver is a very good team but Gallo is injured and you probably know the difference he made there. But you didn't mention it. And us on the other hand have been playing great lately, but not due to Melo rather in spite of him and his poor play. I hope he turns it around, but this is just an observation and his poor numbers back it up.

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2/26/2012  12:50 PM
FeltonandAmare wrote:Funny how the haters haven't responded to this thread. They have been proven WRONG. As I stated early on
the Nuggets would be a lottery team and the Knicks would be a serious contender. Everything is unfolding
as I expected. Whenver you get the best player in a deal you will win long term, but coming to that conclusion
requires patience and insight that the haters do not possess.
Nuggets are 15-10 with Gallo on the floor. The Knicks are 8-16 with Melo on the floor. Lets hope you are right in the future because the Knicks have Melo for better or worse. If they continue to win at a rate of 37 % when he is on the floor the Knicks picks that went to Houston and Denver will be lottery picks.
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2/26/2012  12:52 PM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
FeltonandAmare wrote:Funny how the haters haven't responded to this thread. They have been proven WRONG. As I stated early on
the Nuggets would be a lottery team and the Knicks would be a serious contender. Everything is unfolding
as I expected. Whenver you get the best player in a deal you will win long term, but coming to that conclusion
requires patience and insight that the haters do not possess.

The Best Player in the deal that has led us to an 8-16 record with him on the floor and is shooting under 40% for 21 points.

I guess if you just want to post your dislike of Melo in every thread eventually everyone is gonna ignore you. Is this even relevant? Thoughtful? Any perspective?

If you don't have anything to add, don't. thanks.

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2/26/2012  1:31 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
FeltonandAmare wrote:Funny how the haters haven't responded to this thread. They have been proven WRONG. As I stated early on
the Nuggets would be a lottery team and the Knicks would be a serious contender. Everything is unfolding
as I expected. Whenver you get the best player in a deal you will win long term, but coming to that conclusion
requires patience and insight that the haters do not possess.
Nuggets are 15-10 with Gallo on the floor. The Knicks are 8-16 with Melo on the floor. Lets hope you are right in the future because the Knicks have Melo for better or worse. If they continue to win at a rate of 37 % when he is on the floor the Knicks picks that went to Houston and Denver will be lottery picks.

Since when do teams get rewarded lotto picks when teams make the playoffs? We made the playoffs last year despite some struggles and we are on track to make it again. Gallo's record is much better because until recently, the Nuggs had a far more complete team than the Knicks have had. Now with the pg and JR off the bench, lets see how things play out. I'm not just talking the next game or a week, but a full season. Of course, our impatient fan-base will go game to game and will be ready to pull another trade after the next loss, however.

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2/26/2012  1:48 PM
It's funny that people said the knicks would have no way to build a team after the Melo trade.

Tyson Chandler
Baron Davis
Iman Shumpert
Jorts
Jeremy Lin
JR Smith
Steve Novak
Jared Jeffries


have all joined the team since Melo came here. Chandler, Baron, JR were all FA who specifically cited Melo as a reason they came here. I guess people might want to play with our horrible, selfish jerk of a star? Weird!

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