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2/7/2012  2:21 AM
i can't understand why any fan who pines for 90's knicks grit doesn't love jeffries. i remember the isiah years and they sucked. but since jeffries has played for d'antoni he's been an incredible defender, capably guarding rondo and chris paul and chris bosh and dwight howard and everything in between. the guy drew FIVE charges tonight. FIVE. and he actually took two more that were borderline that he got called for fouls on. give this man some respect.

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/07/dantoni-speaks-up-for-jeffries/?src=tp

D’Antoni Speaks Up for Jeffries
By HOWARD BECK
Anyone who plays or coaches at Madison Square Garden is eventually inoculated against the boos and the taunts, building up a steady resistance to the crowd’s emotional whims. It is an accepted part of playing in New York, one that is rarely questioned.

Coach Mike D’Antoni took a minute Monday night to question it, and passionately so.

The subject was Jared Jeffries, one of the Knicks’ most maligned players. Jeffries is often booed for his inability to make shots, especially those at the rim. He is also one of the Knicks’ most dedicated defenders, which is often overshadowed by his air balls.

After watching Jeffries bang with Utah’s Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap for nearly 34 minutes, anchoring the Knicks’ frontcourt in Amar’e Stoudemire’s absence and helping to key a 99-88 victory, D’Antoni felt compelled to defend his honor.

He called Jeffries’s performance “unbelievably good,” then paused and said, “Indulge me one second.

“Anybody who boos Jared Jeffries has got to re-examine their life a little bit,” D’Antoni said. “I’m sorry to have to — I love our fans, and I like Madison Square Garden, the arena — but here’s a guy who came back to us, minimum contract. He could have gone to a lot of other teams. He plays as hard as anybody could possibly ever play, with injuries, everything you ask him. He takes every charge, every dirty play, every rebound. He works every second.

“And there are people that look at that and go, ‘I think I’ll boo him.’ I have a hard time believing that.”

D’Antoni, who lobbied hard to re-sign Jeffries, said, “I understand the frustration” with his offensive limitations. He compared booing Jeffries’ tireless work to booing “what is good about America. To me it’s like, are you kidding me? Are you serious?”

Twenty minutes later, Jeffries returned the favor, offering a passionate endorsement of D’Antoni, who has come under fire from fans because of the Knicks’ struggles.

“Me and coach have a great relationship, and I’ll die for him,” Jeffries said. “That’s why I take charges, why I dive out there, because he’s the best coach in the N.B.A. There’s no coach in the N.B.A. that’s a better players’ coach, and you see that with Jeremy Lin. No other coach in the league that would have given Jeremy the opportunity he has now. No other coach in the league would give me this chance – Bill Walker, Landry Fields, Steve Novak— and the way we played tonight is a tribute to what Coach is able to do in getting the best out of his players.”

As for himself, Jeffries said he understood the fans’ frustration with him over the years.

“But I think I always go out there and play as hard as I can,” he said. “I play with a lot of effort, a lot of energy, and sometimes fans — there will be, sometimes, they hate me. But that’s not going to affect how much I love this city, how much I enjoy playing at the Garden and wanted to be part of a winning team here.”

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2/7/2012  2:28 AM
yeah - I read that. People remember last year where he super-sucked. He is started to actually grow on people this season.

The only time I really hear groans tonight was when shump thew it into him in the high post. What the hell was that play? What was he gonna do with it?

He played a SIK game tonight - he actually worked on his jumper too and it no longer completely looks like barf.

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2/7/2012  2:32 AM
MAN you beat me to it! I was just going to post this. Jared is a guy that can be a bit frustrating, but i've always understood what coaches see in him. For this team we need players that play great TEAM defense and lead the way for other guys to bust it out there. You can see how hard he's playing and he came back for nothing really, just to play for this team and this coach. He was making strides under MDA before he was traded. I was happy when we got him back last year and he's even better this year.

Even Walker has been stepping up. I saw some good signs from Walker at the end of last season as he made a case for making the playoff rotation. He's not in the kind of shape I would like to see him, but Walker is getting better with his effort. He's still a turnover machine but he's starting to hustle more often than not.

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2/7/2012  2:32 AM
mrKnickShot wrote:yeah - I read that. People remember last year where he super-sucked. He is started to actually grow on people this season.

The only time I really hear groans tonight was when shump thew it into him in the high post. What the hell was that play? What was he gonna do with it?

He played a SIK game tonight - he actually worked on his jumper too and it no longer completely looks like barf.

he was very good last season, too. only reason we were competitive in the boston series. our best defender all year last year. i was thrilled when houston waived him.

houston waived lin, too. we've had some good luck with houston rejects.

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2/7/2012  2:35 AM
nixluva wrote:MAN you beat me to it! I was just going to post this. Jared is a guy that can be a bit frustrating, but i've always understood what coaches see in him. For this team we need players that play great TEAM defense and lead the way for other guys to bust it out there. You can see how hard he's playing and he came back for nothing really, just to play for this team and this coach. He was making strides under MDA before he was traded. I was happy when we got him back last year and he's even better this year.

Even Walker has been stepping up. I saw some good signs from Walker at the end of last season as he made a case for making the playoff rotation. He's not in the kind of shape I would like to see him, but Walker is getting better with his effort. He's still a turnover machine but he's starting to hustle more often than not.

i like MDA. i'm rooting for him. he finally has his PG, it seems.

but a warning - look at the last three games we've won. look at melo's stats in those games - he's been nonexistant in the wins against charlotte, new jersey and utah. that's going to come to a head. knicks are 4-8 when melo scores 25pts. there is friction there and it's got to be resolved. melo breaks the offense. team plays better as a whole when he is out. look at how they did without him against miami - they hung tough.

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2/7/2012  2:47 AM
crzymdups wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:yeah - I read that. People remember last year where he super-sucked. He is started to actually grow on people this season.

The only time I really hear groans tonight was when shump thew it into him in the high post. What the hell was that play? What was he gonna do with it?

He played a SIK game tonight - he actually worked on his jumper too and it no longer completely looks like barf.

he was very good last season, too. only reason we were competitive in the boston series. our best defender all year last year. i was thrilled when houston waived him.

houston waived lin, too. we've had some good luck with houston rejects.

Besides for the last second killer in Boston

Houston made up for it by raping us in every trade we've made with them.

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2/7/2012  2:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/7/2012  2:50 AM
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crzymdups wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:yeah - I read that. People remember last year where he super-sucked. He is started to actually grow on people this season.

The only time I really hear groans tonight was when shump thew it into him in the high post. What the hell was that play? What was he gonna do with it?

He played a SIK game tonight - he actually worked on his jumper too and it no longer completely looks like barf.

he was very good last season, too. only reason we were competitive in the boston series. our best defender all year last year. i was thrilled when houston waived him.

houston waived lin, too. we've had some good luck with houston rejects.

Besides for the last second killer in Boston

Houston made up for it by raping us in every trade we've made with them.

i can only think of one trade and i would say we won that. without that trade, we don't sign amar'e. and it got us out of the jordan hill mistake. and we got jeffries back in the end.

only time i would say houston got the best of us was 94. and that still hurts.

also, jared made the right play at the end of game 2 in boston and there's no way the knicks would have been in the game without his defense and 13pts and rebounds and all the rest. he's a good player. you need guys like that to win.

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2/7/2012  2:51 AM
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nixluva wrote:MAN you beat me to it! I was just going to post this. Jared is a guy that can be a bit frustrating, but i've always understood what coaches see in him. For this team we need players that play great TEAM defense and lead the way for other guys to bust it out there. You can see how hard he's playing and he came back for nothing really, just to play for this team and this coach. He was making strides under MDA before he was traded. I was happy when we got him back last year and he's even better this year.

Even Walker has been stepping up. I saw some good signs from Walker at the end of last season as he made a case for making the playoff rotation. He's not in the kind of shape I would like to see him, but Walker is getting better with his effort. He's still a turnover machine but he's starting to hustle more often than not.

i like MDA. i'm rooting for him. he finally has his PG, it seems.

but a warning - look at the last three games we've won. look at melo's stats in those games - he's been nonexistant in the wins against charlotte, new jersey and utah. that's going to come to a head. knicks are 4-8 when melo scores 25pts. there is friction there and it's got to be resolved. melo breaks the offense. team plays better as a whole when he is out. look at how they did without him against miami - they hung tough.

I think he is an Ok guy - his stubborness at times kills me - but I am rooting for the Knicks (and him) to succeed.

I created a thread about this specific Melo issue - he can do it if he wants - he needs to want. If MDA can't get him to do it, he is going nowhere so we will need PJax to get him to do it and if he still doesn't do it, hello Stephon Marbury 2? How is China treating you?

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2/7/2012  2:53 AM
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crzymdups wrote:
nixluva wrote:MAN you beat me to it! I was just going to post this. Jared is a guy that can be a bit frustrating, but i've always understood what coaches see in him. For this team we need players that play great TEAM defense and lead the way for other guys to bust it out there. You can see how hard he's playing and he came back for nothing really, just to play for this team and this coach. He was making strides under MDA before he was traded. I was happy when we got him back last year and he's even better this year.

Even Walker has been stepping up. I saw some good signs from Walker at the end of last season as he made a case for making the playoff rotation. He's not in the kind of shape I would like to see him, but Walker is getting better with his effort. He's still a turnover machine but he's starting to hustle more often than not.

i like MDA. i'm rooting for him. he finally has his PG, it seems.

but a warning - look at the last three games we've won. look at melo's stats in those games - he's been nonexistant in the wins against charlotte, new jersey and utah. that's going to come to a head. knicks are 4-8 when melo scores 25pts. there is friction there and it's got to be resolved. melo breaks the offense. team plays better as a whole when he is out. look at how they did without him against miami - they hung tough.

I think he is an Ok guy - his stubborness at times kills me - but I am rooting for the Knicks (and him) to succeed.

I created a thread about this specific Melo issue - he can do it if he wants - he needs to want. If MDA can't get him to do it, he is going nowhere so we will need PJax to get him to do it and if he still doesn't do it, hello Stephon Marbury 2? How is China treating you?

i'll say this - i'd much rather win a ring with melo and mda than melo and phil.

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2/7/2012  2:55 AM
crzymdups wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
nixluva wrote:MAN you beat me to it! I was just going to post this. Jared is a guy that can be a bit frustrating, but i've always understood what coaches see in him. For this team we need players that play great TEAM defense and lead the way for other guys to bust it out there. You can see how hard he's playing and he came back for nothing really, just to play for this team and this coach. He was making strides under MDA before he was traded. I was happy when we got him back last year and he's even better this year.

Even Walker has been stepping up. I saw some good signs from Walker at the end of last season as he made a case for making the playoff rotation. He's not in the kind of shape I would like to see him, but Walker is getting better with his effort. He's still a turnover machine but he's starting to hustle more often than not.

i like MDA. i'm rooting for him. he finally has his PG, it seems.

but a warning - look at the last three games we've won. look at melo's stats in those games - he's been nonexistant in the wins against charlotte, new jersey and utah. that's going to come to a head. knicks are 4-8 when melo scores 25pts. there is friction there and it's got to be resolved. melo breaks the offense. team plays better as a whole when he is out. look at how they did without him against miami - they hung tough.

I think he is an Ok guy - his stubborness at times kills me - but I am rooting for the Knicks (and him) to succeed.

I created a thread about this specific Melo issue - he can do it if he wants - he needs to want. If MDA can't get him to do it, he is going nowhere so we will need PJax to get him to do it and if he still doesn't do it, hello Stephon Marbury 2? How is China treating you?

i'll say this - i'd much rather win a ring with melo and mda than melo and phil.

I would agree. Just because MDA is a virgin and Jax would be sloppy seconds (or thirds).

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2/7/2012  3:09 AM
Jeffries is a good veteran

issue here is he's TERRIBLE under the boards when he gets the ball & That is D'Antoni fault if a 6 11' guy is not
smoother at dunking off a pass.

I appreciate Jeffries defensive game here and welcome it with some grit and toughness.
His other game on offensive end is pretty bad on the eye!

However that is NY and if they were winning finally GAMEs, then the Jared Jeffries and Toney Douglass's of the hoops world
would not be getting BOOOed every now and then. But its part of being in NY the mecca.

I always knew Mike D'Antoni had something going on with Jared Jeffries is reason why he wants him back in NY always

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2/7/2012  3:15 AM
Conclusion, this was a good article posted.
However Listen some of this ! D'Antoni put on himself thus his players at times get booed and razzed fair OR not.
Zeke Thomas use to do same and lambast fans OR Try to take them on. You never ever seen that from Coach Don Chaney
Len Wilkens or even LBrown all of these coaches had horrid teams. They got booed once in awhile but those teams were
giving efforts in losses.

Fact is D'Antoni 2 yrs ago took on NY Fans and made comments about NewYork "Lacking this and that" because Knicks putrid efforts at the
garden against worst teams been going on around here for coach D'Antoni since he got here.

D'Antoni fails to realize this is NY. Less you say and less you take on its fan base the better support you receive!

D'Antoni set all this up cause he dont get it & understand NY Knicks history and its fans hard work effort tough team tough town.
Garden will never ever boo when Knicks lose if the efforts of coached team is there.

WE all know that to be TRUE in this forum regarding you cannot take on the fans in the press/media the way legend D'Antoni has already

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2/7/2012  3:25 AM
I never boo my teams. I think it's stupid and counter productive. Fans can do what they want, but I understand why the coach sticks up for his players. MDA's team didn't give up on him even tho they were losing. He had the same thing happen last year. I hope this team can get into the playoffs and get to the 2nd round, cuz I want to see some big time games this year. Jared was a good player in the playoffs last year and tho he missed some opportunities, he also had some big plays and baskets that kept us in the game. Jared said he would kill for MDA and that the team would do so also. The team backed up MDA, which says a lot. When this team is winning games we'll look back at the struggles and how the team kept fighting thru them. Jared embodies that spirit of failing but never giving up. Dusting yourself off and giving it everything you have.
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2/7/2012  3:39 AM
nixluva wrote:I never boo my teams. I think it's stupid and counter productive. Fans can do what they want, but I understand why the coach sticks up for his players. MDA's team didn't give up on him even tho they were losing. He had the same thing happen last year. I hope this team can get into the playoffs and get to the 2nd round, cuz I want to see some big time games this year. Jared was a good player in the playoffs last year and tho he missed some opportunities, he also had some big plays and baskets that kept us in the game. Jared said he would kill for MDA and that the team would do so also. The team backed up MDA, which says a lot. When this team is winning games we'll look back at the struggles and how the team kept fighting thru them. Jared embodies that spirit of failing but never giving up. Dusting yourself off and giving it everything you have.

Now I don't have to go to church this weekend

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2/7/2012  3:53 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/7/2012  3:55 AM
nixluva wrote:I never boo my teams. I think it's stupid and counter productive. Fans can do what they want, but I understand why the coach sticks up for his players. MDA's team didn't give up on him even tho they were losing. He had the same thing happen last year. I hope this team can get into the playoffs and get to the 2nd round, cuz I want to see some big time games this year. Jared was a good player in the playoffs last year and tho he missed some opportunities, he also had some big plays and baskets that kept us in the game. Jared said he would kill for MDA and that the team would do so also. The team backed up MDA, which says a lot. When this team is winning games we'll look back at the struggles and how the team kept fighting thru them. Jared embodies that spirit of failing but never giving up. Dusting yourself off and giving it everything you have.

I respect fans Or some like yourself whom DONT Boo.
However DJ see's fairly the other side too!

Listen Derek Jeter, Pat Ewing, Eli Manning, many other NY Figures got booed here.
Its right of hard working fans to show displeasure cause sometimes fans cut's lots of SLACK to poor play OR NON-efforts of some of
these high priced selfish million dollar atheletes.

Booing dont see to ever affect Jeter or Manning and outside of P.Ewing few of these stars are CHAMPIONs or won.

Fact is booing is a right same as NON booing is a right.
You have a right to do what you want without slander & as long as nothing personal or insulting. Booing is part of sports and
performances.

D'Antoni gets no slack he jacked his mouth and nearly insulted NY whom gave him seasons to get HIS Type of Team
MDA also gets a cool 24 $mil 4 yrs or 1 of highest ever paid coaches for somebody whom NEVER ever won a Title nor built a winner
other than Phoenix Suns. (Dont count europe hoops)

Fans ain't always right but neither are players /Coaches who often don't get it OR misunderstand fans.
Fans in NY wont show up just to boo if they do not have a reason.

As far as J.Jeffries he got some heart and plays hard. No one ever said he didnt.
However whether he's on team or not Jared J. would be only appreciated MOST and more when Knicks WIN

Knicks dont WIN so get used to the extra stuff comes along with being in NY.
Knicks far away from being elite to challenge for NBA divisions or conference titles and all that hangs on the $24 million dollar
6 million-dollar man Michael "Angelo" D'Antoni. Until Knicks Win he hasn't done a thing yet!

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2/7/2012  7:28 AM
agree with everything coach said about JJ. Good job defending his player
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2/7/2012  11:03 AM
fishmike wrote:agree with everything coach said about JJ. Good job defending his player

Yup Yup

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2/7/2012  11:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/7/2012  11:20 AM
JJ has played very well this week. He should just learn not to shoot it when he is outside the paint. No more corner 3's please! Otherwise, he is a force on Defense and help the offensive rebounding tremendously. We now can see that if you can set him up with easy looks that he can in fact be tough to stop inside as he has long arms and can get to the basket.

Kudos to JJ for taking in all the boos and still working hard.

JJ really thinks MDA is the best coach in the league? Wow! It's nice to see that they have eachother's backs. Maybe MDA has this team more together than it looks. Will we be talking about MDA like we are talking about Coughlin now? Let's hope so!

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2/7/2012  11:21 AM
it's funny that some posters on this board have ridiculed d'antoni for not playing lin, even though you have a player (jeffries) saying that no other coach in the league would have given him the opportunity that d'antoni has given him. jeffries and d'antoni must both still be wrong though.

and oh yeah - there hasn't been a bigger jeffries supporter on this site, often times i've been the only one. you need guys like jeffries on your team, sure his offense sucks, but he's good around the rim and his defense and hustle are priceless. oh yeah, d'antoni hates players who have no offensive games, too.

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2/7/2012  11:31 AM

The Problem with JJ was his Isiah contract.

After that, we should appreciate what he is and does. He wants to be here and that has to count.

Regarding the Boston thing in the playoffs. We were cooked and no way JJ loses that series. Amare was cooked, Melo was done and Billups was out.

If you gotta go to JJ to win a playoff game your looking at the wrong fault.

Last nites game was a good sample to judge MDA.

Great Beck post about Jeffries and MDA

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