nixluva wrote:That's a good stat, but are you trying to tell us that if they had a capable PG that having STAT and Melo wouldn't work? We get that STAT and Melo aren't perfect players. Still they are very effective at their main skills of scoring the ball. It seems to me that if you have a PG and a SG like say JR or someone on the floor with them that this would be a devastating team.

We saw last night that we lack the punch at PG and SG to make teams pay for doubling STAT and Melo. It would be hard to do if you have legit threats at PG and SG. I think you're wrong about this team and the future of this team is bright if they continue to add talent to this core.

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:That's a good stat, but are you trying to tell us that if they had a capable PG that having STAT and Melo wouldn't work? We get that STAT and Melo aren't perfect players. Still they are very effective at their main skills of scoring the ball. It seems to me that if you have a PG and a SG like say JR or someone on the floor with them that this would be a devastating team.

We saw last night that we lack the punch at PG and SG to make teams pay for doubling STAT and Melo. It would be hard to do if you have legit threats at PG and SG. I think you're wrong about this team and the future of this team is bright if they continue to add talent to this core.

So you deplete the entire roster and give up your draft picks just to get a duo that won't work unless you get a C to make up for their defensive deficiencies and a PG to make up for their passing and turnovers? Brilliant!

Well to put things in perspective, this group has been together for less than a full 82 game season! There's PLENTY of time to add to the roster and develop the young talent we have. The draft picks are less of an issue if the team makes the playoffs, there would be no real value of the picks they had.

As for this issue of passing. VERY few players in this league are the complete pkg. So much so that you have to either draft them, which involves all kinds of LUCK and absolutely no guarantees or you trade for or sign them as FA's. We tried to get the best but had to go a step lower, but it still made sense if you take the long view and not just the 1st 21 games of this trio being together!

Look at how hard it was for the Bulls and Celtics to put us away, even with no depth or PG to lead the team. Just imagine how good this team would be with those things addressed. You've got to project just a little bit and see what they're trying to do.

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:That's a good stat, but are you trying to tell us that if they had a capable PG that having STAT and Melo wouldn't work? We get that STAT and Melo aren't perfect players. Still they are very effective at their main skills of scoring the ball. It seems to me that if you have a PG and a SG like say JR or someone on the floor with them that this would be a devastating team.

We saw last night that we lack the punch at PG and SG to make teams pay for doubling STAT and Melo. It would be hard to do if you have legit threats at PG and SG. I think you're wrong about this team and the future of this team is bright if they continue to add talent to this core.

So you deplete the entire roster and give up your draft picks just to get a duo that won't work unless you get a C to make up for their defensive deficiencies and a PG to make up for their passing and turnovers? Brilliant!

Well to put things in perspective, this group has been together for less than a full 82 game season! There's PLENTY of time to add to the roster and develop the young talent we have. The draft picks are less of an issue if the team makes the playoffs, there would be no real value of the picks they had.

As for this issue of passing. VERY few players in this league are the complete pkg. So much so that you have to either draft them, which involves all kinds of LUCK and absolutely no guarantees or you trade for or sign them as FA's. We tried to get the best but had to go a step lower, but it still made sense if you take the long view and not just the 1st 21 games of this trio being together!

Look at how hard it was for the Bulls and Celtics to put us away, even with no depth or PG to lead the team. Just imagine how good this team would be with those things addressed. You've got to project just a little bit and see what they're trying to do.

loweyecue wrote:If you expected it to work within the the first 15 games then there is reason to despair. But that is essentially what being short sighted means.

loweyecue wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:If you expected it to work within the the first 15 games then there is reason to despair. But that is essentially what being short sighted means.

So you can't address anything about the passing and turnovers? You can only repeat the same criticism we've heard for the past ten years - just give it more time?

Giving it more time is not a criticism. Amare is a finisher not known for his passing, Melo will definitely improve. Bringing the ball up the court is something he has not done before again expecting all this to work out in 15 games is short sighted.

nixluva wrote:This is the best i've ever seen Melo look as a passer. He's getting better and if we had some shooters the passes he makes would be even better.

I'll say that I do indeed think you reset when you make a big trade that sends away what was a TEAM of players and replace them with one guy. Now they've added Tyson and we're still looking to replace other parts. It's easy to see the team lacks some pieces and that they plan to fill those voids as soon as this season.

As i've said STAT, Melo & Tyson haven't been together very long, how can you call it a failure after 23 games? That seems a bit quick even for NY fans. There's 43 more games to play. The trade deadline and the China guys coming back. Who knows what will happen the rest of the way.

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:This is the best i've ever seen Melo look as a passer. He's getting better and if we had some shooters the passes he makes would be even better.

I'll say that I do indeed think you reset when you make a big trade that sends away what was a TEAM of players and replace them with one guy. Now they've added Tyson and we're still looking to replace other parts. It's easy to see the team lacks some pieces and that they plan to fill those voids as soon as this season.

As i've said STAT, Melo & Tyson haven't been together very long, how can you call it a failure after 23 games? That seems a bit quick even for NY fans. There's 43 more games to play. The trade deadline and the China guys coming back. Who knows what will happen the rest of the way.

If Dolan makes a big transaction every 6 months, will the clock always reset? That's basically what's happened the past ten years.

Now that's the first real good post you have made in a while. Yes the clock always rests and yes THAT is the problem.

loweyecue wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:If you expected it to work within the the first 15 games then there is reason to despair. But that is essentially what being short sighted means.

So you can't address anything about the passing and turnovers? You can only repeat the same criticism we've heard for the past ten years - just give it more time?

Giving it more time is not a criticism. Amare is a finisher not known for his passing, Melo will definitely improve. Bringing the ball up the court is something he has not done before again expecting all this to work out in 15 games is short sighted.

But how are they ever going to complement each other? Has it ever worked where the top 2 players on a team are have bad A/TO ratios AND are also bad on defense? Can you or Nixluva cite some historical precedents?

Melo is not bad on defense. Can you cite examples of a team that has succeeded without a starting quality backcourt? People see what they want to see. I we had guards racking up assists Melo and Amare would be finishing.