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1/27/2012  1:21 PM
Sorry, does anyone have a link to the rest of this article? It's Insider.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story?id=7509657&_slug_=amare-stoudemire-stunning-decline-knicks-very-worried-nba&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fstory%3fid%3d7509657%26_slug_%3damare-stoudemire-stunning-decline-knicks-very-worried-nba

Let's start with this right off the bat:


David Lee, Al Harrington and Anthony Randolph each have better player efficiency ratings than the Knicks' $100 million man, Amare Stoudemire, this season. Yes, Anthony Randolph (15.9 PER) has been more productive with his minutes than Stoudemire (15.7 PER).


The sobering reality in New York is that in just a year's time, Stoudemire has gone from MVP candidate to a league-average player, at least statistically.


So we have to ask:


What happened to Amare Stoudemire?

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1/27/2012  1:37 PM
Espn is a week too late with that article
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1/27/2012  1:43 PM
Nothing wrong that a decent PnR PG couldn't fix. Dude was healing from back injury and his shot shows evidence that he hadn't been shooting all summer like normal. It's not that he's slowed down, just that he isn't getting any easy looks. Soon as we move the ball and have good spacing he gets to the basket and is dunking like normal.
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1/27/2012  1:56 PM
nixluva wrote:Nothing wrong that a decent PnR PG couldn't fix. Dude was healing from back injury and his shot shows evidence that he hadn't been shooting all summer like normal. It's not that he's slowed down, just that he isn't getting any easy looks. Soon as we move the ball and have good spacing he gets to the basket and is dunking like normal.

couldn't have said it better nix.

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1/27/2012  2:07 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Espn is a week too late with that article

Seriously. He looked pretty good against both the Bobcats and Cavs. He just needs to start hitting the midrange jumper and get Baron to give him the ball on PnRs .

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1/27/2012  2:33 PM
He has been looking better recently, and will look great with Davis in the lineup. Problem solved.
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1/27/2012  2:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/27/2012  2:41 PM
The lack of pick and roll has really hurt him. His 15 footer was always his 2nd option. When he made it his 1st and it wasn't falling that led to his subpar play. As of right now, he is not slower, he still has the same athleticism as before. Once we have PG play, Amare will be back and that will create opportunities for others as well, which should lead to improved shooting.
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1/27/2012  5:21 PM
My thing is, point guard or no point guard, play with effort. Cut hard to the basket. At least try to defend. Put a hand up when someone is shooting. Try to go for the offensive board. Lack of a point guard really shouldn't affect hustle and aggressiveness.
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1/28/2012  11:38 AM
Let's start with this right off the bat:

David Lee, Al Harrington and Anthony Randolph each have better player efficiency ratings than the Knicks' $100 million man, Amare Stoudemire, this season. Yes, Anthony Randolph (15.9 PER) has been more productive with his minutes than Stoudemire (15.7 PER).

The sobering reality in New York is that in just a year's time, Stoudemire has gone from MVP candidate to a league-average player, at least statistically.

So we have to ask:

What happened to Amare Stoudemire?


The 7-11 Knicks are reeling and there are a number of reasons for their disappointing start, but right at the top of the list is the sudden decline of their big catch in the summer of 2010 sweepstakes. In his second campaign in a Knicks uniform, Stoudemire is averaging 17.8 points, 8.4 rebounds -- fantastic numbers for an NBA player, but not one who is due $83 million, or an average of $20.8 million annually, through 2015-16.

And a deeper look into Stoudemire's stat line explains why his production has fallen off a cliff: He can't hit a shot. With a quarter of the season in the books, the 29-year-old power forward has shot 42.6 percent from the floor.

How bad is that? Consider this: Over the past 40 years, it's only happened three times that someone at his height or taller (6-foot-10) shot this often (15 shots per game) and this badly (42.6 percent). And the three players who achieved the sorry feat (Clifford Robinson, Derrick Coleman and Toni Kukoc) each shot at least 120 3-pointers in those seasons. Nearly all of Stoudemire's shots have come from inside the arc.

In other words, a traditional big man has never shot this much and this badly in about half a century. You'd have to dial it back to Nate Thurmond in the mid-60s to find a precedent.

So why haven't his shots gone in? This is the scary part. When we put the magnifying glass on Stoudemire's shot selection, you'll notice two things: One, he has been brutal outside the immediate basket area and two, when he does get into the basket area, he's getting blocked at an excessive rate.

Let's start with the stuffed shots, which is alarming coming from a guy who used to make a living by dunking on mere mortals. Only Derrick Rose got blocked more times than Stoudemire last season according to Hoopdata.com, but this season Stoudemire's blocked rate has only increased -- drastically. On the season, Stoudemire has been blocked on 10.2 percent of his shots, which is up from 8.1 percent last season. The average power forward gets swatted on 7.1 percent of his shots.

It has been difficult to watch Stoudemire's struggles this season. In a Jan. 18 loss to the Phoenix Suns, he missed 15 of his 22 shots from the floor, turned the ball over six times and got blocked another four times. In Wednesday's loss to the Cavaliers, Stoudemire got blocked twice by Anderson Varejao, once while Varejao stood straight up with his hands in the air in order to not draw a foul. Stoudemire tried to make a floater, but couldn't get enough lift to rise above Varejao's outstretched hands. Varejao blocked his shot without even jumping.

But the swats are just the tip of the iceberg. When looking at indicators of lost athleticism, you can't help wondering if something's up. Stoudemire's and-one rate (percentage of shots called for an and-one) has dropped precipitously from 6.5 percent in 2009-10, to 4.9 percent last season, to 3.3 percent this season. He has tallied one and-one over his past eight games; in his last season in Phoenix, he muscled for one every game on average. It's always a troubling sign when the blocked rate and and-one rate go in opposite directions.

The defensive indicators are also stunning. His block rate has vanished almost completely, dropping from 3.8 percent last season to a career-low 1.1 percent this season. Subjectively, one could say that he's lost the majority of his lift -- whether that's due to age, a residual ankle soreness or something else, but we can't know for sure. Objectively looking at the numbers, the red flags are everywhere.

And that jump shot? The news gets worse. Synergy Sports tracking tells us that 101 of Stoudemire's 244 field goals are jump shots. Of the 66 players with at least 100 jump shots this season, only Tyreke Evans and DeMar DeRozan have a lower effective field goal percentage (which accounts for the added value of a 3-pointer) than Stoudemire's 32.7 percent rate. If Stoudemire was compensating for his eroding athleticism by migrating to the perimeter, that would be one thing, but the Knicks simply can't survive with these abysmal results.

As my Insider colleague Bradford Doolittle pointed out, Stoudemire's game has changed dramatically this season -- and it's not for the better. Much of Stoudemire's immense value is generated from the pick-and-roll game, where his dynamic athleticism can be leveraged by a crafty point guard. The only problem is that the Knicks don't have one. His offense resulting from the pick-and-roll has dwindled from 9.9 percent last season to 4.8 percent this season. Amazingly, just 14 of Stoudemire's 284 points have directly resulted from a pick-and-roll catch on the move. In his heyday with Steve Nash, he could tally 14 points off the pick-and-roll by halftime.

The Knicks' offense has been a disaster thus far without a legitimate playmaker. Carmelo Anthony is suffering through a down shooting season as well, but he doesn't rely on the competence of his point guard quite like Stoudemire does. Stoudemire has resorted to being an isolation machine with Tyson Chandler parked under the basket and rookie Iman Shumpert hijacking the offense whenever he pleases.

And we haven't even talked much about his embarrassing defense, but he's consistently ranked as one of the league's most skewed one-way players. What happens when he can't produce offensively anymore? Even though there are more than 45 games left, it's hard to imagine a worse start for Stoudemire unless he sustained a serious injury.

Speaking of injuries, it's worth noting that many people around the league considered it a medical miracle that Stoudemire was able to play as well as he did last season given the state of his knees. It is simply very unlikely that he will ever be able to regain the athleticism he had in Phoenix, much less be a star player going forward.

With his shooting woes reaching historic depths and more than $80 million remaining on his contract, the time for Knicks fans to panic about Stoudemire is right about now.

Tom Haberstroh covers the NBA for ESPN Insider and ESPN The Magazine. He is also writing about the Miami Heat this season for the ESPN.com Heat Index and contributes to Insider's college basketball, college football and baseball coverage. He contributes to ESPN The Magazine and ESPNNewYork.com and previously worked as a consultant for ESPN Stats & Information and as an analyst for Hoopdata.com. You can find his ESPN archives here, and follow him on Twitter here.

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1/28/2012  11:43 AM
Thanks for posting this.

Speaking of injuries, it's worth noting that many people around the league considered it a medical miracle that Stoudemire was able to play as well as he did last season given the state of his knees. It is simply very unlikely that he will ever be able to regain the athleticism he had in Phoenix, much less be a star player going forward.

I really hope this is not right.
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1/28/2012  12:09 PM
Welcome Larry Johnson 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, this franchised is screwed!

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1/28/2012  12:14 PM
franco12 wrote:Welcome Larry Johnson 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, this franchised is screwed!

Hobbled LJ still had a post game, was a very good defender and could hit his jumpshot. Hopefully Amare is just rounding into shape and ball movement and a point guard will fix him.
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1/28/2012  12:27 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Thanks for posting this.

Speaking of injuries, it's worth noting that many people around the league considered it a medical miracle that Stoudemire was able to play as well as he did last season given the state of his knees. It is simply very unlikely that he will ever be able to regain the athleticism he had in Phoenix, much less be a star player going forward.

I really hope this is not right.

Are people around the league qualified to comment on medical anything? Or can we leave that to the doctors? What is ir with Knick fans and their desire to latch on to every last dreary bit of morbid rumor and speculation? Crush - wasn't trying to single you out, just seems to be generic trend.

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1/28/2012  12:35 PM
Amare looks like **** and is eating 20 million a year up in salary. I we can dump him you do it.
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1/28/2012  12:40 PM
loweyecue wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Thanks for posting this.

Speaking of injuries, it's worth noting that many people around the league considered it a medical miracle that Stoudemire was able to play as well as he did last season given the state of his knees. It is simply very unlikely that he will ever be able to regain the athleticism he had in Phoenix, much less be a star player going forward.

I really hope this is not right.

Are people around the league qualified to comment on medical anything? Or can we leave that to the doctors? What is ir with Knick fans and their desire to latch on to every last dreary bit of morbid rumor and speculation? Crush - wasn't trying to single you out, just seems to be generic trend.

I agree. Amare looked much better the two games previous to last night. Also, ball movement on offense is getting better. Miami defended Amare very well.
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1/28/2012  12:42 PM
I expect that David Lee and Chris Bosh are both going to be more productive players for the duration of their contracts than Amare is.
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1/28/2012  12:45 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:I expect that David Lee and Chris Bosh are both going to be more productive players for the duration of their contracts than Amare is.

Exactly. Knicks need to not wait and dump hit contract before he starts sitting out games with sore knees next season.

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1/28/2012  12:46 PM
So why haven't his shots gone in? This is the scary part. When we put the magnifying glass on Stoudemire's shot selection, you'll notice two things: One, he has been brutal outside the immediate basket area and two, when he does get into the basket area, he's getting blocked at an excessive rate.

This...........stats been getting his shot blocked alot.

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1/28/2012  12:54 PM
Anji wrote:
So why haven't his shots gone in? This is the scary part. When we put the magnifying glass on Stoudemire's shot selection, you'll notice two things: One, he has been brutal outside the immediate basket area and two, when he does get into the basket area, he's getting blocked at an excessive rate.

This...........stats been getting his shot blocked alot.

Last year he described himself as fierce and I would agree with that. He doesn't have that so far this year.
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1/28/2012  1:07 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Anji wrote:
So why haven't his shots gone in? This is the scary part. When we put the magnifying glass on Stoudemire's shot selection, you'll notice two things: One, he has been brutal outside the immediate basket area and two, when he does get into the basket area, he's getting blocked at an excessive rate.

This...........stats been getting his shot blocked alot.

Last year he described himself as fierce and I would agree with that. He doesn't have that so far this year.

Last year we had some outside shooting which meant less people in the paint to deal with from the defense. This year we have nothing and teams are packing the paint and daring us to shoot. 4 of our starter are more comfortable scoring in the paint the fifth can't buy a bucket. But if he hits 2 three pointers in a row then he will launch more contested three than the other four starters will have shot attempts.

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