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1/22/2012  12:19 PM
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/01/22/stoudemire-disappears-harrellson-out-6-weeks/

Stoudemire disappears, Harrellson out 6 weeks
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By Moke Hamilton
January 22, 2012 at 7:36 AM

NEW YORK – On Saturday night, things went from bad to worse for the New York Knicks. On the second night of a back to back, the Denver Nuggets came into Madison Square Garden and handed the Knicks their sixth consecutive loss, in double overtime.

Danilo Gallinari scored a game high 37 points on a mere 19 field goal attempts and grabbed 8 rebounds. Al Harrington made some big shots down the stretch—including four 3-pointers—and grabbed 11 rebounds of his own.

The loss made the Knicks 0-4 on their longest homestand of the season. That they were done in by two guys that used to play for them probably makes the loss sting a bit more.

Coach D’Antoni has given his troops Sunday off before they embark on five-day road trip which will see them travel to Charlotte (Tuesday), Cleveland (Wednesday), Miami (Friday), and Houston (Saturday).

The losses keep on piling up, and so does the bad news.

After Saturday night’s game, it was announced that rookie center Josh Harrellson fractured his right wrist and will require surgery. A date for the procedure has not been set yet, but it will be approximately six weeks before he gets back on the floor.

At this point, multiple Knicks are battling health issues. After the loss, Anthony floated the idea of reevaluating his health with the Knicks training staff and possibly sitting out a game or two. “One day it’s the wrist, one day it’s the ankle. Some days are better than others… I am hard headed at times as far as them telling me to sit down some games… Maybe it’s time to reevaluate that.”

And although Amar’e Stoudemire claims nothing is wrong with him health-wise, he was as uninvolved in the Knicks offense as he’s been since ‘Melo arrived in New York.

Amar’e attempted less than 10 shots for only the third time since he’s been a Knick. The other two times—both this season—were in games in which he was limited by foul trouble. Back on January 12th at Memphis and on January 16th versus the Magic, Stoudemire attempted only seven shots in each game. He only played about 20 minutes in both.

On this night, in double overtime, Amar’e was 4-for-9 from the field. He took six shots in the first half and two in the third quarter. His second shot in the third came with 2:48 to go in the 3rd quarter. His last and final shot—from downtown— came with less than a minute remaining in double overtime. By that point, the game was already decided.

On Friday, I wrote that Amar’e and Carmelo seemed to behaving some serious chemistry issues. After this game, that’s a forgone conclusion.

Down the stretch, Stoudemire looked to become less engaged, but that was only after he set picks and rolled to no avail. On countless other plays, Anthony didn’t use his screens.

Afterwards, Stoudemire said he was alright with the lack of touches because “It is about winning… it is not about me and number of shots. We had a chance to win. We had great momentum going…”

But in the same breath, he gushed about the team needing better ball movement, about how the Nuggets play great “team basketball” and how Gallinari—who torched the Knicks—was a “phenomenal player” and that “he showed up tonight.”

Anthony—though he was brilliant down the stretch of regulation—acknowledged that he and Amar’e might need to speak privately and that he may need to adjust his game. “I think we as a team need to do a better job of getting Amar’e involved… Maybe it’s on me, maybe I need to get him the ball a little more… We can figure it out together,” he said.

Coach D’Antoni probably hopes that’s the case.

His team is 6-10, has lost six games in a row, and has a four games-in-five nights road trip coming up. The stakes are very high. They can return to the Garden on January 31st to battle the Pistons at 10-10, or at 6-14.

In the meantime, they’ll pin a lot of hope on Baron Davis (he might practice on Monday) and pray that Harrellson can return sooner than later.

For a team that D’Antoni proclaimed was “obviously” a contender, things look bleak.

With bad chemistry, injuries, and a questionable future, D’Antoni needs to figure out how to win some games … in seven seconds or less.

So are we taht crazy to think about those chemistry and alpha dogs issues???

You, tell me.

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1/22/2012  12:25 PM
The most surprising thing there to me is Anthony's remark that he and Amare should speak privately about how they're playing together.

This hasn't happened already!!??

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1/22/2012  12:36 PM
At this point I'd move Amare. Guy is complaining about touches? Really dude you dont rebound or defend and you want touches. Grab some boards and you will get plenty of touches.

It's time to put Amare on the block and see what he can fetch us. Always a team looking for a "star".

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1/22/2012  12:38 PM
I posted a chemistry alpha dog comment about a week ago and it turned into a thread where I was basically told not to post my opinion. Crazy no but some don't want to hear it.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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1/22/2012  12:43 PM
I think Stat is waiting to see if they can get the PG problem resolved with Davis or maybe Nash in the summer. If not, I'm guessing he will ask for a trade before next season.
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1/22/2012  12:51 PM
AnubisADL wrote:At this point I'd move Amare. Guy is complaining about touches? Really dude you dont rebound or defend and you want touches. Grab some boards and you will get plenty of touches.

It's time to put Amare on the block and see what he can fetch us. Always a team looking for a "star".

Do you really want one player to take 30 shots a game?

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1/22/2012  12:57 PM
rp wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:At this point I'd move Amare. Guy is complaining about touches? Really dude you dont rebound or defend and you want touches. Grab some boards and you will get plenty of touches.

It's time to put Amare on the block and see what he can fetch us. Always a team looking for a "star".

Do you really want one player to take 30 shots a game?

Obviously not. I prefer Melo to stay under the 20 FGA range. He needs reliable help though.

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1/22/2012  1:01 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
rp wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:At this point I'd move Amare. Guy is complaining about touches? Really dude you dont rebound or defend and you want touches. Grab some boards and you will get plenty of touches.

It's time to put Amare on the block and see what he can fetch us. Always a team looking for a "star".

Do you really want one player to take 30 shots a game?

Obviously not. I prefer Melo to stay under the 20 FGA range. He needs reliable help though.

So you want another super star on the team?

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1/22/2012  1:07 PM
AnubisADL wrote:At this point I'd move Amare. Guy is complaining about touches? Really dude you dont rebound or defend and you want touches. Grab some boards and you will get plenty of touches.

It's time to put Amare on the block and see what he can fetch us. Always a team looking for a "star".

unfortunately, his trade value has plummeted into negative territory

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1/22/2012  1:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/22/2012  1:18 PM
rp wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
rp wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:At this point I'd move Amare. Guy is complaining about touches? Really dude you dont rebound or defend and you want touches. Grab some boards and you will get plenty of touches.

It's time to put Amare on the block and see what he can fetch us. Always a team looking for a "star".

Do you really want one player to take 30 shots a game?

Obviously not. I prefer Melo to stay under the 20 FGA range. He needs reliable help though.

So you want another super star on the team?

I want a PG who can penetrate and pass and PF who will rebound and shoot.

I'd only trade Amare in a package deal at this point though.

Example:

Andrew Bogut and Brandon Jennings
David Lee and Stephen Curry
Kevin Martin and Luis Scola
Pau Gasol (Only Exception)

We'd instantly be a more balanced team.

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1/22/2012  1:26 PM
wow those 2 role player we traded in which 4 started for us surely played great.
But finding role players are easy to find, after we acquire a star player in Melo.

Gallo 37 pts, 11 RBs, 9/19 FGs, 18/20 FTs, 1/3 3pointers, 2 assist, 1 steal, 1 TO, 52min
MozGov 17pts, 7RBs, 6/11 FGs, 4/4 FTs, 1 assist, 3 Blocks, 1 steal, 2 TO, 30min


Andre Miller was traded for Felton
don't want to put his stats down, since he isn't the player we traded, but his value was still part of the trade

Wilson Chandler
AR
1st round Pick
2 GS 2nd round picks
1 exchange of 1st round picks

Seriously, trading for a "Star" is must do?
worth the the production and chemistry we lost?
Gallo, Wilson Chandler, and MoZGoV, have still not peaked...

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1/22/2012  1:28 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
rp wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
rp wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:At this point I'd move Amare. Guy is complaining about touches? Really dude you dont rebound or defend and you want touches. Grab some boards and you will get plenty of touches.

It's time to put Amare on the block and see what he can fetch us. Always a team looking for a "star".

Do you really want one player to take 30 shots a game?

Obviously not. I prefer Melo to stay under the 20 FGA range. He needs reliable help though.

So you want another super star on the team?

I want a PG who can penetrate and pass and PF who will rebound and shoot.

I'd only trade Amare in a package deal at this point though.

Example:

Andrew Bogut and Brandon Jennings
David Lee and Stephen Curry
Kevin Martin and Luis Scola
Pau Gasol (Only Exception)

We'd instantly be a more balanced team.

yeah, I would trade TD for Lebron too, maybe for Deron if they included 2 future draft picks, ONLY if they included the 2 draft picks...

Go join Isiah, Dolan, and take ur drugs, you are absolutely brainless

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1/22/2012  1:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/22/2012  1:42 PM
RonRon wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
rp wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
rp wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:At this point I'd move Amare. Guy is complaining about touches? Really dude you dont rebound or defend and you want touches. Grab some boards and you will get plenty of touches.

It's time to put Amare on the block and see what he can fetch us. Always a team looking for a "star".

Do you really want one player to take 30 shots a game?

Obviously not. I prefer Melo to stay under the 20 FGA range. He needs reliable help though.

So you want another super star on the team?

I want a PG who can penetrate and pass and PF who will rebound and shoot.

I'd only trade Amare in a package deal at this point though.

Example:

Andrew Bogut and Brandon Jennings
David Lee and Stephen Curry
Kevin Martin and Luis Scola
Pau Gasol (Only Exception)

We'd instantly be a more balanced team.

yeah, I would trade TD for Lebron too, maybe for Deron if they included 2 future draft picks, ONLY if they included the 2 draft picks...

Go join Isiah, Dolan, and take ur drugs, you are absolutely brainless

Yawn. Contrary to what you may believe some trades are made to boost attendance. Milwaukee Bucks arena is a ghost town and no one wants to play in Milwaukee anyway. Amare and filler would we good for them.

Bogut and Jennings are ideal ancillary pieces.

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1/22/2012  2:00 PM
It seems that people actually still believe that Stat has trade value but he really does not. He looks like he lost all his explosiveness, can't defend and has an uninsured contract. Who in their right mind would give up non-negligible value for him? Uh maybe Jimmy D - but wait ... he has him already.
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1/22/2012  2:25 PM
I wish Carmelo Anthony wouldn't take 30 shots in a game, but in fairness he's only averaging a little over 20 field goals in a game to go along with 4 assists and 7 rebounds and is putting more effort into the defensive end (even though Woodson's defensive system with all the switching sucks). Those are numbers that I can live with as long as Melo isn't shooting 30% from the field.

Amar'e on the other hand is really struggling. His FG% is 40% and the guy's averaged about 50% his entire career up to this year. I don't know what to attribute this to, but the eye test tells me that Amar'e is not getting to the rim enough and is settling for too many jump shots. He can't do that if this team is going to be any good. In addition, he's only averaging one more rebound than Anthony, doesn't really pass the ball and is a terrible defensive player. If he's not getting to the rim and scoring, he's completely worthless to the Knicks because he doesn't have an all-around game.

The offense really should be designed to get Melo and Amare to the basket. Somebody needs to tell them that they both have their contracts and don't have to worry about the statistical production. I think it will come around, but they really need to get on the same page.

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1/22/2012  2:54 PM
AnubisADL wrote:At this point I'd move Amare. Guy is complaining about touches? Really dude you dont rebound or defend and you want touches. Grab some boards and you will get plenty of touches.

It's time to put Amare on the block and see what he can fetch us. Always a team looking for a "star".

Actually last night he rebounded a lot. Also, as the 2nd option on offense, he has all the right to demand the ball more. More importantly, he didn't, saying it was all about winning, which is the right thing.

He has to get going on offense in order for us to be good. What happened last night can't keep happening. But above all, we need enough ball movement so everybody gets their share of the cake.

Right now this team looks like a body without a head, and that includes D'Antoni.

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1/22/2012  2:59 PM
Amare for Deron or the nets let Deron walk and no one will ever sign as a free agent there. It's up to them. At least if they get Amare they have a chance to attract someone other guys...
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1/22/2012  3:00 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
I want a PG who can penetrate and pass and PF who will rebound and shoot.

I'd only trade Amare in a package deal at this point though.

Example:

Andrew Bogut and Brandon Jennings
David Lee and Stephen Curry
Kevin Martin and Luis Scola
Pau Gasol (Only Exception)

We'd instantly be a more balanced team.

Man, I would love to know what you're smoking right now or if you're simply trolling.

Andrew Bogut and Brandon Jennings??? LOL. Jennings is a punk but also a very exciting player, Bogut is really solid and improving.

David Lee and Stephen Curry??? LOLx2. I won't even comment on this one for it is an absolute pipedream.

Kevin Martin and Luis Scola >>> could be done if Stat didn'T have an uninsured contract, maybe.

Pau Gasol >>> Yeah, right, and I'm sure they would accept to give us Bynum to sweeten the deal.

Out of curiosity, are you making fun of this board right now?

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1/22/2012  3:00 PM
Knicksfan wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:At this point I'd move Amare. Guy is complaining about touches? Really dude you dont rebound or defend and you want touches. Grab some boards and you will get plenty of touches.

It's time to put Amare on the block and see what he can fetch us. Always a team looking for a "star".

Actually last night he rebounded a lot. Also, as the 2nd option on offense, he has all the right to demand the ball more. More importantly, he didn't, saying it was all about winning, which is the right thing.

He has to get going on offense in order for us to be good. What happened last night can't keep happening. But above all, we need enough ball movement so everybody gets their share of the cake.

Right now this team looks like a body without a head, and that includes D'Antoni.

10 rebounds is not alot. That's what he should rebound everynight. getting 10 boards every 5 games isn't going to cut it.

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1/22/2012  3:16 PM
colombian0725 wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:At this point I'd move Amare. Guy is complaining about touches? Really dude you dont rebound or defend and you want touches. Grab some boards and you will get plenty of touches.

It's time to put Amare on the block and see what he can fetch us. Always a team looking for a "star".

Actually last night he rebounded a lot. Also, as the 2nd option on offense, he has all the right to demand the ball more. More importantly, he didn't, saying it was all about winning, which is the right thing.

He has to get going on offense in order for us to be good. What happened last night can't keep happening. But above all, we need enough ball movement so everybody gets their share of the cake.

Right now this team looks like a body without a head, and that includes D'Antoni.

10 rebounds is not alot. That's what he should rebound everynight. getting 10 boards every 5 games isn't going to cut it.

At least he was 50% on 3's last night.

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