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1/19/2012  6:02 PM

JJ was the first off the bench to replace Amare in the third quarter...Jort's only had 8 mins playing time to Jeffries 18 mins...Jeffries D does help from time to time but Jorts should be the present and future...
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1/19/2012  6:41 PM
Jeffries feet move great for almost a 7footer.
While Jorts is closer to the weight of a center and can hit the deep ball.
Defensively, does not move as well as Jeffries and guard PF that are not bangers.
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1/19/2012  6:45 PM
Jeffires is a Dantoni favorite it's as simple as that
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1/19/2012  7:24 PM
Mray20 wrote:Jeffires is a Dantoni favorite it's as simple as that

+1. You can go through the D'Antoni years and insert a lot of names in place of Harrellson.
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1/19/2012  7:39 PM
I think this is a legit criticism of D'Phoney - he doesn't do a good job of utilizing his players. He'll go short at times, not play guys that can help.

Everyone is complaining about our offense, but Jorts has been the single bright spot all year!

WTF is this about?

20 minutes every game, and Jorts will help.

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1/19/2012  7:41 PM
Jeffries has been good since he returned. He's a good defender, and part of the reason why our defense is better recently.
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1/19/2012  8:32 PM
markvmc wrote:Jeffries has been good since he returned. He's a good defender, and part of the reason why our defense is better recently.

I'm not convinced its our defense that is better. I think scoring is down across the league, we've played some bad teams that don't score, and got lucky catching the 76ers on the tail end of 3 straight.

Sure, parts of our defense might be better, with Chandler a huge improvement.

But, we've kinda dragged opponents down with us, not set the pace with defensive effort.

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1/19/2012  8:37 PM
franco12 wrote:I think this is a legit criticism of D'Phoney - he doesn't do a good job of utilizing his players. He'll go short at times, not play guys that can help.

Everyone is complaining about our offense, but Jorts has been the single bright spot all year!

WTF is this about?

20 minutes every game, and Jorts will help.


Can Jorts guard fast guards on the perimeter? People see what they want to see. If Melo gets hurt tomorrow you will find areason to blame for it.

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1/19/2012  8:40 PM
loweyecue wrote:
franco12 wrote:I think this is a legit criticism of D'Phoney - he doesn't do a good job of utilizing his players. He'll go short at times, not play guys that can help.

Everyone is complaining about our offense, but Jorts has been the single bright spot all year!

WTF is this about?

20 minutes every game, and Jorts will help.


Can Jorts guard fast guards on the perimeter? People see what they want to see. If Melo gets hurt tomorrow you will find areason to blame for it.

No - but in this system that creates wide open threes and depends on outside shooting, he is the only one not shooting 12% from outside.

And as so many have said, its not the lack of defense that's hurting, we can't buy a bucket. I think out coach said that.

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1/19/2012  8:44 PM
franco12 wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
franco12 wrote:I think this is a legit criticism of D'Phoney - he doesn't do a good job of utilizing his players. He'll go short at times, not play guys that can help.

Everyone is complaining about our offense, but Jorts has been the single bright spot all year!

WTF is this about?

20 minutes every game, and Jorts will help.


Can Jorts guard fast guards on the perimeter? People see what they want to see. If Melo gets hurt tomorrow you will find areason to blame for it.

No - but in this system that creates wide open threes and depends on outside shooting, he is the only one not shooting 12% from outside.

And as so many have said, its not the lack of defense that's hurting, we can't buy a bucket. I think out coach said that.

OK so let me get this straight. You want this 250 lb, 6'11 homeboy to be shooting 3's from the perimeter? Then when he misses 4 in a row you will go off on a tirade blaming MDA for running a gimmick offense where people are supposed to cuck three pointers? Guess what you can't have it both ways.

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1/19/2012  11:42 PM
He is the glue guy by the way, Amare can you please pull a rebound when it counts??
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1/19/2012  11:54 PM
buddapaw wrote:He is the glue guy by the way, Amare can you please pull a rebound when it counts??

He doesn't believe in fighting for position. Whoever is defending him just has to box him out and hope he doesn't out jump him for the rebound.

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1/20/2012  7:21 AM
loweyecue wrote:
franco12 wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
franco12 wrote:I think this is a legit criticism of D'Phoney - he doesn't do a good job of utilizing his players. He'll go short at times, not play guys that can help.

Everyone is complaining about our offense, but Jorts has been the single bright spot all year!

WTF is this about?

20 minutes every game, and Jorts will help.


Can Jorts guard fast guards on the perimeter? People see what they want to see. If Melo gets hurt tomorrow you will find areason to blame for it.

No - but in this system that creates wide open threes and depends on outside shooting, he is the only one not shooting 12% from outside.

And as so many have said, its not the lack of defense that's hurting, we can't buy a bucket. I think out coach said that.

OK so let me get this straight. You want this 250 lb, 6'11 homeboy to be shooting 3's from the perimeter? Then when he misses 4 in a row you will go off on a tirade blaming MDA for running a gimmick offense where people are supposed to cuck three pointers? Guess what you can't have it both ways.

You're missing my point.

Is this a gimmick offense that MDA looks to run? Yes, sort of. But its the system that's here and in place.

The man running it, MDA, believes in the open 3, and the value of hitting it.

But he doesn't play one of our players who has DEMONSTRATED the ability to hit open threes.

If Jorts misses 4 in a row, then I simply ask MDA to maybe sit him at that point- again, asking for 20 minutes here for him- and say - yes, you got to keep shooting it, but maybe next time, see if we can swing it one more time, or if you have a clear lane, drive the ball.

He's actually a pretty good looking, well rounded player. He had one great drive to the basket where he faked handing off to the guard on the screen- no video of it and I forget what game.

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1/20/2012  11:32 AM
Jorts is hitting 36% from 3pt. Excellent for a rookie center. Jeffries, thank God, has only taken one 3 pt shot.....and missed. Harrellson will get more playing time. MDA is trying to work Jeffries back into the line-up and he is playing OK.

BTW, the team as a whole sucks this year on 3-pt shooting. Last year we shot 36.8% from behind the arc.
This year we are shooting 30.7%.
But even more telling is that this year we are taking only 22.4 shots/game while last year 25.4 shots.

Bibby is our leading 3 pt shooter at 40%.
Amare 40%
Novak 38.5%
Harrelson 36%
Melo 34.5%

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1/20/2012  11:33 AM
Markji wrote:Jorts is hitting 36% from 3pt. Excellent for a rookie center. Jeffries, thank God, has only taken one 3 pt shot.....and missed. Harrellson will get more playing time. MDA is trying to work Jeffries back into the line-up and he is playing OK.

BTW, the team as a whole sucks this year on 3-pt shooting. Last year we shot 36.8% from behind the arc.
This year we are shooting 30.7%.
But even more telling is that this year we are taking only 22.4 shots/game while last year 25.4 shots.

Bibby is our leading 3 pt shooter at 40%.
Amare 40%
Novak 38.5%
Harrelson 36%
Melo 34.5%

Correct me, but I think the cutoff for a trey bucket to be "worth it" is 36%, just to put it in perspective.

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1/20/2012  11:37 AM
IT is the defacto invisible assistant adjunct counselor for player management and substitutional rotation assignments. As in all IT signings, past and future, JJ is contractually obligated to provide IT with in game highlights of what Melo and Stat think of playing with each other.

He's also in charge of keeping Jimmie's picks smelling of sphincter inctum.

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1/20/2012  11:52 AM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Markji wrote:Jorts is hitting 36% from 3pt. Excellent for a rookie center. Jeffries, thank God, has only taken one 3 pt shot.....and missed. Harrellson will get more playing time. MDA is trying to work Jeffries back into the line-up and he is playing OK.

BTW, the team as a whole sucks this year on 3-pt shooting. Last year we shot 36.8% from behind the arc.
This year we are shooting 30.7%.
But even more telling is that this year we are taking only 22.4 shots/game while last year 25.4 shots.

Bibby is our leading 3 pt shooter at 40%.
Amare 40%
Novak 38.5%
Harrelson 36%
Melo 34.5%

Correct me, but I think the cutoff for a trey bucket to be "worth it" is 36%, just to put it in perspective.

I think we have a math problem. how does that even pass the smell test?

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1/20/2012  12:28 PM
martin wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Markji wrote:Jorts is hitting 36% from 3pt. Excellent for a rookie center. Jeffries, thank God, has only taken one 3 pt shot.....and missed. Harrellson will get more playing time. MDA is trying to work Jeffries back into the line-up and he is playing OK.

BTW, the team as a whole sucks this year on 3-pt shooting. Last year we shot 36.8% from behind the arc.
This year we are shooting 30.7%.
But even more telling is that this year we are taking only 22.4 shots/game while last year 25.4 shots.

Bibby is our leading 3 pt shooter at 40%.
Amare 40%
Novak 38.5%
Harrelson 36%
Melo 34.5%

Correct me, but I think the cutoff for a trey bucket to be "worth it" is 36%, just to put it in perspective.

I think we have a math problem. how does that even pass the smell test?

Hahahahaha. I'll try to find the source for you, but because a trey bucket is worth three points, you can shoot a little worse than a regular field goal and still have it "make money" for your team; otherwise, it's a wasted possession.

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1/20/2012  12:30 PM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
martin wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Markji wrote:Jorts is hitting 36% from 3pt. Excellent for a rookie center. Jeffries, thank God, has only taken one 3 pt shot.....and missed. Harrellson will get more playing time. MDA is trying to work Jeffries back into the line-up and he is playing OK.

BTW, the team as a whole sucks this year on 3-pt shooting. Last year we shot 36.8% from behind the arc.
This year we are shooting 30.7%.
But even more telling is that this year we are taking only 22.4 shots/game while last year 25.4 shots.

Bibby is our leading 3 pt shooter at 40%.
Amare 40%
Novak 38.5%
Harrelson 36%
Melo 34.5%

Correct me, but I think the cutoff for a trey bucket to be "worth it" is 36%, just to put it in perspective.

I think we have a math problem. how does that even pass the smell test?

Hahahahaha. I'll try to find the source for you, but because a trey bucket is worth three points, you can shoot a little worse than a regular field goal and still have it "make money" for your team; otherwise, it's a wasted possession.

what's the cutoff for dropping a two point bucket then

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1/20/2012  12:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/20/2012  12:48 PM
Here's some math on 3's vs 2's

NBA team - if they average 50% from 2 pt range they need to shoot only 33.3% from 3 pt to get the same amount of points.

Ex. In 10 shots from 2 pt, if make 50% = 5 baskets = 10points
In 10 shots from 3 pt range if make 33.3% = 3.33 baskets x 3 pts = 10 pts

50% is quite good from 2 pt range and 33.3% isn't that good from 3 pt. Most teams do better. So taking a lot of 3's isn't such a bad idea. But we need better shooters. Bibby, Novak and Harrelson have been holding their own. Others haven't.

But with Harrelson, I'd still rather have him play inside more, rather than on the perimeter. He's 275lbs and a great rebounder.

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