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1/18/2012  2:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/18/2012  2:43 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/18/sports/basketball/in-denver-patience-is-paying-off-for-the-nuggets.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

In Denver, Patience Is Paying Off for the Nuggets
By ANDREW MASON
Published: January 17, 2012


DENVER — There are traditional, tried-and-true methods of rebuilding a team. There is the draft-and-wait philosophy, which has the Oklahoma City Thunder poised for a long stay among the N.B.A.’s elite. There is the future-is-now credo that propelled the Boston Celtics from a 15-year rut without a 50-victory season to 234 wins over the last four years, two finals appearances and a title.

Nuggets forward Danilo Gallinari, acquired from the Knicks in a trade last year, “is a better passer than I thought he was,” Coach George Karl said.


Then there is the way the Denver Nuggets rebuilt. A season ago, the Nuggets waited as one rumor after another regarding the perennial All-Star forward Carmelo Anthony was floated into public discussion. All the while, their fans fretted and fidgeted, only too eager to share their fear that an inability to trade Anthony would send them into the same abyss the Cleveland Cavaliers found themselves after LeBron James left for Miami.

That the Nuggets are 9-5 offers early evidence that their patience is already reaping dividends. So, too, is the development of Danilo Gallinari, the 6-foot-10 forward whom the Nuggets insisted on acquiring from the Knicks in a 13-player, four-draft-pick, three-team deal that also involved the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Chemistry and cohesion are already evident.

“We have a group of unselfish players,” said guard Arron Afflalo, one of three current starters who was with the team before the trade. “That alone will allow you to have some type of camaraderie. The group that had been here was here for about four or five years. From that standpoint, there was an awareness of who you were on the court with. But from a selfish mentality to the willingness to grow and learn together, this group is very good.

Eleven months after the exchange, the Nuggets can breathe easier. Their regular-season record since making the trade is 27-12; in the 2010-11 season before the trade, it was 32-25. Five Nuggets are averaging double digits in points, led by Gallinari’s 16.8, for the league’s second-highest-scoring team this season.

The Nuggets emerged from the loss of a star with a passing-intensive team that has the team exactly where it was for most of its seven-plus seasons with Anthony: as a playoff contender for a midrange seed in the Western Conference.

Yet the path to this point is one the Nuggets’ coach, George Karl, would not want to repeat.

“I would recommend highly that organizations don’t go through it,” Karl said. “The wear and tear on us — it’s just negative energy, and we all know what negative energy does. Not only was there negative energy, we had to talk about it. Now, I chose to talk about it; some people might choose not to talk about it, but I used it as a kind of therapy to deal with something wild and crazy.”

A hint of the craziness will return to the Nuggets on Saturday, when they face the Knicks at Madison Square Garden for the first time since the trade. In addition to Gallinari, the Nuggets still have centers Kosta Koufos and Timofey Mozgov remaining from the trade; guard Raymond Felton was dealt to Portland during the N.B.A. draft last June, and forward Wilson Chandler signed with the Chinese team Zhejiang Guangsha during the lockout.

Mozgov and Koufos provide a supplemental physical presence to Denver’s leading rebounder, Nene, but neither is averaging more than 17 minutes a game. That leaves Gallinari, who has been an ideal fit for Denver’s wide-open, flowing, pass-intensive style, which was supplemented by a December trade with the Dallas Mavericks for guard Rudy Fernandez and forward Corey Brewer.

“I think the biggest surprise is that Gallo is a better passer than I thought he was and Fernandez is a better passer than we thought he was,” Karl said. “We got a little lucky, too; we thought Gallo could be more of a playmaker this year, but he’s moved very quickly into becoming a very good decision-maker.”

With Ty Lawson, a three-year veteran, maturing as the starting point guard, the Nuggets are averaging a league-leading 24.2 assists, passing with a crispness and flow that evokes images of the European soccer juggernaut Barcelona more than a typical N.B.A. team.

“Everybody can really pass,” Brewer said.

Yet the team still grapples with inconsistency, as it did in a 92-89 loss to the Los Angeles Lakers on New Year’s Eve. No player illustrated this more than Gallinari, who had his worst shooting performance of the season, scoring a season-low 7 points and shooting a season-worst 25 percent from the field, including missing a wide-open layup that would have tied the score with three seconds left. Twenty-six hours later in a rematch with the Lakers in Denver, Gallinari led the Nuggets with 20 points in a 99-90 win.

“The consistency in his last five games is something that doesn’t come with young players,” Karl said last week. “It’s only an 11-game package, so the contract’s not guaranteed yet, but I think we’re all happy with how he rebounded from the L.A. game and he’s come out focused and more responsible. He’s a fun player to watch because he does so many things well.”

So does the team so far, but Karl, the leader among active N.B.A. coaches in career victories, is not ready to pronounce the Nuggets a contender yet.

“I’m very happy, but I’m not convinced,” he said. “There are certain habits in the N.B.A. that as the season goes along, seem to dwindle. Spacing is one of those things. Making the extra pass, bringing the extra effort and energy, consistency. I think those are personality traits of really good basketball teams. We’ve had that in our personality, but I’m going to challenge them to make sure they keep it before I sign that contract.”


I miss Gallo.

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1/18/2012  2:43 PM
Where for art thou, Gallinari?
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1/18/2012  2:44 PM
Yeah....Denver made out like bandits in that trade. sigh.
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1/18/2012  2:46 PM
Afflalo's quote is telling.
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1/18/2012  2:52 PM
At least the Knicks did their due dilligence.

And don't worry once the Nets panick we can trade Carmelo for DWill and sign Chandler with the midelevel and have a balanced unselfish team again. Everyone wins.

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1/18/2012  2:54 PM
I didn't like the denver trade, but I think it was fair- I wouldn't say they made out like bandits. They also mismanaged what we gave them- they gave away Felton for nothing, they'll probably lose Wilson Chandler for nothing too. Denver is the kind of team that will do well in the regular season, but whenever they come up short in the playoffs, people will say they need to trade some of their talent for a star, go to player. Still, they're a nice team to watch and I hope they do well.

Also, I know that Gallo gets a lot of love from knick fans, but I honestly think Wilson Chandler is the better player, yet people don't really go on about losing him as much as they do Gallo- what's that about?

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1/18/2012  2:58 PM
Love The Mayor.....but out of sight out of mind. Wilson is is still playing in China. The Mayor got some bad advice about signing overseas.
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1/18/2012  2:59 PM
The Timo, Amare, Gallo, The Mayor, RayRay lineup was fun to watch.
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1/18/2012  3:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/18/2012  3:06 PM
LOL

This Denver team is about have major cash tied up in rotational players. Stars win Championships. Have fun competing for the lower 4 playoff spots in the West.

[Sarcasm]
Utah is 9-4. They won that Deron Williams trade. Better than the Lakers for 2nd in the west.
[/Sarcasm]

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1/18/2012  3:08 PM
Their regular-season record since making the trade is 27-12; in the 2010-11 season before the trade, it was 32-25.

It was addition by subtraction. I bet they wouldn't even take Carmelo back if Gallo alone were all they'd have to give up.
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1/18/2012  3:09 PM
AnubisADL wrote:LOL

This Denver team is about have major cash tied up in rotational players. Stars win Championships. Have fun competing for the lower 4 playoff spots in the West.

[Sarcasm]
Utah is 9-4. They won that Deron Williams trade. Better than the Lakers for 2nd in the west.
[/Sarcasm]


The problem is that we too have zero stars, or at least zero stars who are worth having.
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1/18/2012  3:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/18/2012  3:21 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:LOL

This Denver team is about have major cash tied up in rotational players. Stars win Championships. Have fun competing for the lower 4 playoff spots in the West.

[Sarcasm]
Utah is 9-4. They won that Deron Williams trade. Better than the Lakers for 2nd in the west.
[/Sarcasm]


The problem is that we too have zero stars, or at least zero stars who are worth having.

Snatched Stars are the final building block not the first. They come on the top to complete the building.
First comes plan, foundation, and then hard work to build the team.
Team can have a young upcoming cornerstone to build around it too...
But how many stones you have to torn to find one?

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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1/18/2012  3:21 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:LOL

This Denver team is about have major cash tied up in rotational players. Stars win Championships. Have fun competing for the lower 4 playoff spots in the West.

[Sarcasm]
Utah is 9-4. They won that Deron Williams trade. Better than the Lakers for 2nd in the west.
[/Sarcasm]


The problem is that we too have zero stars, or at least zero stars who are worth having.

I disagree we have a superstar in Melo and an Allstar in Chandler. If Amare would actually try to do other things except score we'd be a better team.

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1/18/2012  3:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/18/2012  3:27 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:LOL

This Denver team is about have major cash tied up in rotational players. Stars win Championships. Have fun competing for the lower 4 playoff spots in the West.

[Sarcasm]
Utah is 9-4. They won that Deron Williams trade. Better than the Lakers for 2nd in the west.
[/Sarcasm]


The problem is that we too have zero stars, or at least zero stars who are worth having.

I disagree we have a superstar in Melo and an Allstar in Chandler. If Amare would actually try to do other things except score we'd be a better team.

Superstar... Like Cobe, Durant, LeBron... Or is he?
And how many stars like Chandler are in NBA? 50+?

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1/18/2012  3:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/18/2012  3:50 PM
AnubisADL wrote:LOL

This Denver team is about have major cash tied up in rotational players. Stars win Championships. Have fun competing for the lower 4 playoff spots in the West.

[Sarcasm]
Utah is 9-4. They won that Deron Williams trade. Better than the Lakers for 2nd in the west.
[/Sarcasm]

And you can always take those good value rotational players and trade them if you want.

The point is they are about where they were with Melo at least in the short run.

They get to keep Affalo and resign them. Good teams draft and grow their own.

Way too early to call a winner or a looser on the trade.

Melo is playing up to his contract and a "franchise" talent.

"Price is only an issue in the absense of value".

The questin remains "the price". What becomes of the picks we gave up, Gallo's upside and AR's upside.

At first glance Denver is a mid pack playoff team as it was the last few years.

At first glance we are a fundamentally imbalanced team with an all star front court with limited depth and 2nd tier back court talent.

Our season is dependant on the back of Baron Davis and a tattooed mental midget who is the best player in China. No, not that tattoed mental midget! The other one!

In all fairness, I don't like the trade but last year I said it will take 5 years to fully evaluate it.

Boston's starphuch still left them with Perk and Rondo.

Without those two they don't win.

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1/18/2012  3:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/18/2012  3:48 PM
From fans perspective team should we worth watching and rooting for.
It may not be the best or win it all but be close to your heart.
Knicks now so far away from my heart that its not even funny.
But may be it's just me... I do not believe in love from first look.
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1/18/2012  3:51 PM
arkrud wrote:From fans perspective team should we worth watching and rooting for.
It may not be the best or win it all but be close to your heart.
Knicks now so far away from my heart that its not even funny.
But may be it's just me... I do not believe in love from first look.

I feel the same way. It's been a long time since I was an excited, enthusiastic fan.
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1/18/2012  3:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/18/2012  3:54 PM
To my brain, Gallo is not merely a rotational player. Of course, he is not a special Max Contract Superstar like Carmelo, but he is closer to a cornerstone than to a simple brick somewhere else in this wall.

He's a complete package. Dish the rock, dunk the rock, drain the trey, he'll swat it, steal it, he will be clutch in the late game, he will do something of everything. You put some good players around, some key components, and Denver can contend.

In my mind, Denver is, at this point, closer to the championship than the Knicks.

Plus the guy is still on the upward trajectory, not even near his peak.

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1/18/2012  4:01 PM
Superstar: LeBron, Howard, Kobe, Wade, Rose
Almost: DWill, Paul, Dirk, Durant
Allstar: Melo, Amare, Bosh, Westbrook, Robson, etc

Chandler isn't an All Star.

Howard, Noah, Horford are the best centers in the east.

Since when is 12pts 9rbs 1.5blks an allstar??? Miami couldn't figure out a zone let's not.give him all the credit

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1/18/2012  4:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/18/2012  4:13 PM
I was for the trade even though the price was steep. I don't miss Chandler the least bit. Wilson would suddenly show why people were so high on him as soon as he would start hearing trade and contract rumours. As soon as the chatter would wind down, so would he. Felton couldn't run the P&R so he really wasn't what the team needed. As for the rest, Gallo had the most potential. I'd still do the trade again. It was a generational opportunity to get a future hall of famer. Still work to do to field a contender but the hard part has already been done.
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