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nixluva
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1/4/2012  10:28 PM
Everyone has seen the team NOT defend, so what are the things you see that this team needs to correct defensively?

It appears to me that they need to address how they're dealing with picks and also the weakside defense. Teams are killing the Knicks off the PnR and backdoor.

The starting perimeter D is horrid. TD and Fields are constantly being broken down and that's messing up the defensive balance on the floor. TD is not the defender that we thought he was. He seems to get beat more and more and I think it has to do with his spacing and the angle he takes to cut off a penetrating player.

STAT has to get focused on D. His defensive IQ is LOW as can be. He just makes the wrong decision way too often and he's always done it. He blamed it on coaching but it's not the coaching. He's had MDA, Terry Porter, Alvin Gentry and now MDA and Woodson as coaches and still he makes the same exact mistakes he's always made. IMO it's not coaching, but the player. NO coach would want a big to literally step away from a guy driving to the basket like STAT does.

I LOVE the way Shump changed the game when he came in. The kid just oozes presence. Also I thought Balkman did a good job when he came in too. Aside from that not much went well. I do think we could use Jared on D tho. He's a very solid team defender and understands defensive concepts.

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1/4/2012  10:31 PM
If I remember correctly MDA said in an interview that they are doing the same thing on Defense as last year when he spoke of the hiring of M.Woodson. He says they aren't doing anything different.
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1/4/2012  10:35 PM
It's hard for the team to buy in on defense when the coach has not bought in..
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1/4/2012  10:38 PM
colombian0725 wrote:If I remember correctly MDA said in an interview that they are doing the same thing on Defense as last year when he spoke of the hiring of M.Woodson. He says they aren't doing anything different.

They also have put in some new concepts as well, but yes the defensive scheme is the same. No defensive scheme is work crap if the players don't execute and give effort! It doesn't matter what style of D you play. There aren't that many different schemes that teams use anyway. Besides Woodson pretty much used the same scheme as Mike already. He didn't have some esoteric new defense he was using. It's about EFFORT and EXECUTION.

When STAT just lets a guy drive to the basket that's not scheme!!! When guys don't block out it's all about effort. All coaches say the same things in practice about the basics. See your man, see the ball, stay down on pump fakes, get your hands up, block out your man... The players are simply not doing these basic things consistently enough.

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1/4/2012  10:41 PM
holfresh wrote:It's hard for the team to buy in on defense when the coach has not bought in..

So why is it that Shump played his butt off on D? Why did Balkman give effort on D? At a certain point its on the players on the floor not to want to be embarrassed. All the team has talked about and worked on is D. How is it that the coach doesn't believe if that's the focus of not just him but his whole staff and a new Assistant??? That's just hater BS.

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1/4/2012  10:42 PM
not to make excuses but at least in the 2nd half it was a ridiculous shooting performance from just about everyone but especially mullens, diaw and henderson. they could not miss, making shots the defense would love for you to take.

however the offense still doesn't look great even when shots are falling.

a few bad losses to start the year and this is supposed to be the easy part of the schedule. we started off slow last year as well and with shumpert and amare back i expect for us to look a lot better only because it's tough to keep looking this bad.

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1/4/2012  10:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2012  10:43 PM
nixluva wrote:Everyone has seen the team NOT defend, so what are the things you see that this team needs to correct defensively?

It appears to me that they need to address how they're dealing with picks and also the weakside defense. Teams are killing the Knicks off the PnR and backdoor.

The starting perimeter D is horrid. TD and Fields are constantly being broken down and that's messing up the defensive balance on the floor. TD is not the defender that we thought he was. He seems to get beat more and more and I think it has to do with his spacing and the angle he takes to cut off a penetrating player.

STAT has to get focused on D. His defensive IQ is LOW as can be. He just makes the wrong decision way too often and he's always done it. He blamed it on coaching but it's not the coaching. He's had MDA, Terry Porter, Alvin Gentry and now MDA and Woodson as coaches and still he makes the same exact mistakes he's always made. IMO it's not coaching, but the player. NO coach would want a big to literally step away from a guy driving to the basket like STAT does.

I LOVE the way Shump changed the game when he came in. The kid just oozes presence. Also I thought Balkman did a good job when he came in too. Aside from that not much went well. I do think we could use Jared on D tho. He's a very solid team defender and understands defensive concepts.

Look behind the seens on the court..Amare is always asking tyson where to be and what to do. His IQ is super low and it'ts not hard to tell. people keep blaming the coach, thats like not holding the players accountable.

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1/4/2012  10:44 PM
You can buy into it and want to play D but when you play like your lost and keep switching into mismatches that's where the problem is. On D we switch into the worst match ups. Our help D is by far the worst in the NBA.
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1/4/2012  10:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2012  10:50 PM
Still trying to figure out why the H## do we switch on every pick? How many times did we see Amare trying to guard Augustine out top? This is a poor defensive philospophy to employ vs. a professional team that has scouts. Its easy to play against this type of defense. All you do is screen baseline and and set picks up top and you'll get a mismatch every time. Big on a small on the top of the key and small on a big in the paint. When this happens it opens up penetration lanes for the guards to blow by the bigs trying to defend (or open jumpers because the bigs sag off afraid to get beat on dribble-drives) and you have a small defending a big inside making it easier for offensive rebounds by the opposition. Seriously, what is going on here?!?!
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1/4/2012  10:50 PM
colombian0725 wrote:You can buy into it and want to play D but when you play like your lost and keep switching into mismatches that's where the problem is. On D we switch into the worst match ups. Our help D is by far the worst in the NBA.

I will bet you a thousand dollars that the problem is players not remembering their assignments and switches. It's not rocket science. This was only the 2nd game that they played with a near full lineup. Guys aren't in synch and it's showing. Not to mention that they aren't great natural defenders to begin with, aside from Shump.

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1/4/2012  11:03 PM
holfresh wrote:It's hard for the team to buy in on defense when the coach has not bought in..


Amen

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1/4/2012  11:10 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
holfresh wrote:It's hard for the team to buy in on defense when the coach has not bought in..


Amen

What does this mean exactly? Cuz from everything they've done defense has been a priority. At some point you have to place the responsibility on the players. Pride and effort mean more than schemes. The players have to focus in and come together and get it right.

I'm confident that they will eventually play better on both ends. I don't think that this team is gonna struggle the entire season.

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1/4/2012  11:13 PM
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nixluva wrote:Everyone has seen the team NOT defend, so what are the things you see that this team needs to correct defensively?

It appears to me that they need to address how they're dealing with picks and also the weakside defense. Teams are killing the Knicks off the PnR and backdoor.

The starting perimeter D is horrid. TD and Fields are constantly being broken down and that's messing up the defensive balance on the floor. TD is not the defender that we thought he was. He seems to get beat more and more and I think it has to do with his spacing and the angle he takes to cut off a penetrating player.

STAT has to get focused on D. His defensive IQ is LOW as can be. He just makes the wrong decision way too often and he's always done it. He blamed it on coaching but it's not the coaching. He's had MDA, Terry Porter, Alvin Gentry and now MDA and Woodson as coaches and still he makes the same exact mistakes he's always made. IMO it's not coaching, but the player. NO coach would want a big to literally step away from a guy driving to the basket like STAT does.

I LOVE the way Shump changed the game when he came in. The kid just oozes presence. Also I thought Balkman did a good job when he came in too. Aside from that not much went well. I do think we could use Jared on D tho. He's a very solid team defender and understands defensive concepts.

Look behind the seens on the court..Amare is always asking tyson where to be and what to do. His IQ is super low and it'ts not hard to tell. people keep blaming the coach, thats like not holding the players accountable.

We do not have the horses or defensive IQ or players with defensive instincts....It's that simple. How come one of our best defensive player is a rookie with one leg?

Thats not the makeup of this team....We need to play to our strengths, and not our weaknesses.

PLAY MORE ZONE...That man defense is killing us.

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1/4/2012  11:17 PM
I don't think our defense has been this bad throughout an entire game. And what's sad but true, is that STAT kills us on D. I don't know what his +\- was tonight, but for how many points he scored it couldn't have been good at all. We need to play man and fight Off of screens. Too much switching. Too much help defense and slow rotations back to the assignments.
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1/4/2012  11:19 PM
I think that they'll play it straight up, but also mix in more Zone to give teams a different look. I don't expect them to zone exclusively, but I do think they can use it more.

I think they could have a solid defensive unit with Shump, Balkman, Melo, Jared and Tyson. I can see that down the line as an option.
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1/4/2012  11:20 PM
nixluva wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
holfresh wrote:It's hard for the team to buy in on defense when the coach has not bought in..


Amen

What does this mean exactly? Cuz from everything they've done defense has been a priority. At some point you have to place the responsibility on the players. Pride and effort mean more than schemes. The players have to focus in and come together and get it right.

I'm confident that they will eventually play better on both ends. I don't think that this team is gonna struggle the entire season.

You can put me in there and I will give you pride & effort. But I would be clueless trying to stop nba calibur players. I would be in the wrong place at the wrong time because I've never been coached on how to defend NBA players. MDA never taught Amare how to play defense coming out of high school. MDA doesn't know defense so why would he bother

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1/4/2012  11:20 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:Everyone has seen the team NOT defend, so what are the things you see that this team needs to correct defensively?

It appears to me that they need to address how they're dealing with picks and also the weakside defense. Teams are killing the Knicks off the PnR and backdoor.

The starting perimeter D is horrid. TD and Fields are constantly being broken down and that's messing up the defensive balance on the floor. TD is not the defender that we thought he was. He seems to get beat more and more and I think it has to do with his spacing and the angle he takes to cut off a penetrating player.

STAT has to get focused on D. His defensive IQ is LOW as can be. He just makes the wrong decision way too often and he's always done it. He blamed it on coaching but it's not the coaching. He's had MDA, Terry Porter, Alvin Gentry and now MDA and Woodson as coaches and still he makes the same exact mistakes he's always made. IMO it's not coaching, but the player. NO coach would want a big to literally step away from a guy driving to the basket like STAT does.

I LOVE the way Shump changed the game when he came in. The kid just oozes presence. Also I thought Balkman did a good job when he came in too. Aside from that not much went well. I do think we could use Jared on D tho. He's a very solid team defender and understands defensive concepts.

Look behind the seens on the court..Amare is always asking tyson where to be and what to do. His IQ is super low and it'ts not hard to tell. people keep blaming the coach, thats like not holding the players accountable.


Its not that he has a low BBIQ, its just that he's never been on a team that really emphasized defense. If this is the case, why/how would he know? Of all the yrs he's played in the NBA, only 1 of those yrs was without MDA. And this is a player that never went to college.

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1/4/2012  11:21 PM
Balkman is terrible turnover machine
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1/4/2012  11:25 PM
A guy with Amare's size and athletism he trumps most PFs should become a great defender like a Karl Malone. Amare trumps KG psychically. It's a shame no one ever taught him how to defend in the nba because he is absolutely clueless on D.
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1/4/2012  11:28 PM
gunsnewing wrote:A guy with Amare's size and athletism he trumps most PFs should become a great defender like a Karl Malone. Amare trumps KG psychically. It's a shame no one ever taught him how to defend in the nba because he is absolutely clueless on D.

You look at someone like Paul Pierce who before the Doc Rivers & Garnett influence was known as a teribble slow defender..now he is more than average. It's coaching. Like someone said..MDA has coached him almost all of his career..what would we expect.

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