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12/9/2011  6:58 PM
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Doesn't sound like #Knicks will make adding a PG a priority. D'Antoni says Toney Douglas can handle PG and offense will run thru Melo. #fb
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12/9/2011  6:59 PM
d'antoni's either saying what he thinks isiah/dolan want to hear, or he's lost his mind. though he could be right, i don't see him liking that one bit.
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12/9/2011  7:25 PM
anyone run a voice analysis on the statement? Polygraph? What was his body language like? Was he smiling? Was his arms crossed? What color shirt was he wearing? Anyone here talk with him? He didn't call me either so Im kind of in the dark.
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12/9/2011  7:35 PM
D'Antoni should be fired for that statement.
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12/9/2011  8:09 PM
I don't think TD is capable of being a great decision maker and running the pick and roll effectively. However, if he get's mentored by Nash, he is still very young.
I think Dantoni is just giving TD a little confidence, don't think he actually means it. I mean, confidence is another part that TD must gain with the skills.

I am a little surprised he didn't say that about Iman too because in my opinion, he has way more potential to play the PG over TD.

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12/9/2011  8:13 PM
It's time to let go of the reigns.
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12/9/2011  8:40 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:D'Antoni should be fired for that statement.

He should. Toney Douglas is blind.
Hahn just said on twitter that we are looking at Mike Bibby though

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12/9/2011  9:18 PM
WTF! Can you people not read. TD isn't going to be running the offense like you would expect CP3 or Nash. MDA is planning on running things thru Melo, so really all TD or any PG is really gonna be doing is bringing the ball up and passing to Melo and letting Melo be the focal point of the set. We all know TD lacks court vision, so there's no way MDA meant that TD was gonna be able to take the reins like a real PG. Bibby if he comes would be used the same way. Just bring the ball up and hand it to Melo.
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12/9/2011  9:19 PM
nixluva wrote:WTF! Can you people not read. TD isn't going to be running the offense like you would expect CP3 or Nash. MDA is planning on running things thru Melo, so really all TD or any PG is really gonna be doing is bringing the ball up and passing to Melo and letting Melo be the focal point of the set. We all know TD lacks court vision, so there's no way MDA meant that TD was gonna be able to take the reins like a real PG. Bibby if he comes would be used the same way. Just bring the ball up and hand it to Melo.

That's even worse.

Carmelo at point forward would be putrid.

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12/9/2011  9:22 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
nixluva wrote:WTF! Can you people not read. TD isn't going to be running the offense like you would expect CP3 or Nash. MDA is planning on running things thru Melo, so really all TD or any PG is really gonna be doing is bringing the ball up and passing to Melo and letting Melo be the focal point of the set. We all know TD lacks court vision, so there's no way MDA meant that TD was gonna be able to take the reins like a real PG. Bibby if he comes would be used the same way. Just bring the ball up and hand it to Melo.

That's even worse.

Carmelo at point forward would be putrid.

He has the ability to make plays. LIke anything else he needs to work at it and get the hand of it. He has the ball so much anyway, you might as well run sets with him handling the ball and either setting up a teammate of doing his thing. Here's a more detailed explanation of what MDA is thinking.

NEW YORK -- While Chauncey Billups was back home in Denver, Mike D'Antoni, Carmelo Anthony and Amare Stoudemire were at the Knicks' training facility on Friday already gearing up Toney Douglas to take over the starting point guard position.

With all signs pointing to the Knicks amnestying Billups and acquiring Tyson Chandler, the team will be left with a big question mark at the starting one. But D'Antoni, who was the first to address the media after the Knicks' first day of training camp, says he's comfortable with Douglas taking on the major responsibility. Not only that, he envisions the team operating like the 1980s Celtics, with Anthony becoming a consistent point-forward like Larry Bird.

"I think the team will look more like an old Celtics team, in the sense of going through Bird a lot, and they had two rangy shooters in the backcourt, [Danny] Ainge and Dennis Johnson," D'Antoni said. "It's just going to change in the sense that I had [Steve] Nash or somebody like that having the ball all the time. Now, Melo will be doing the pick-and-rolls more, and that's a good thing. Melo's one of the best passers we have, and he'll be involved in a lot more running the team. I'm not taking anything away from Toney or Landry [Fields] or [Iman] Shumpert, or whoever's back there. Those guys I have a lot of confidence in and I do know they can make shots and defend, and that's a good place to start."

Anthony, who never imagined Billups being amnestied and considers it a "sad situation" for him personally, is prepared to do whatever it takes to win games -- even if it means handling the rock more. He also has coach's back for his decision to make Douglas the floor general starting on Christmas Day against the Celtics. During Friday's practice, which also included Bill Walker, Andy Rautins and Renaldo Balkman, Melo made sure to let Douglas know that.

"I told Toney today, 'Believe it or not, there's a lot of pressure on you, son.' But we're here with him," Anthony said. "We laughed about that too with him having a lot of pressure on him, but there's a lot of pressure on all of us. I wouldn't say pressure, but a lot of expectations, especially now with Tyson. I just told Toney to just be ready, just be ready when the ball goes up and do what you've got to do. The ball is in his hands."

The transition won't come easy for Douglas. His numbers from last season proved he's more of an undersized shooting guard like the Mavericks' Jason Terry. Case in point: After the 2011 All-Star break, Douglas led the league in 3-pointers made (68). When he took over for the injured Billups in the first round of the playoffs against the Celtics, his distributing flaws showed, and the Knicks' offense struggled to generate offense. When he brought the ball up the court in Game 3 for a total of 37 possessions, that led to seven turnovers, and the Knicks averaged just 0.65 points per play.

But Anthony feels that Douglas learned a lot from playing under Billups, and he took away confidence from Friday just hearing him speak about taking on the challenge of running the team. Stoudemire emitted that same confidence -- even speaking about Shumpert -- and he believes with Douglas at the starting one, the team can still push for a championship. He's also excited about Melo becoming more of a point-forward, which he occasionally was toward the end of last season.

"He's a solid passer," Stoudemire said of Anthony. "I'm pretty sure the more we practice together, the more we build our chemistry, he'll figure out those pocket passes -- those areas where he can drop it off to me. There are areas where he can definitely improve in and become a much, much better all-around player. We're two of the top-five scorers in the league, so we have ways to score the ball with ease. We're phenomenal scorers. Tyson is a great defensive player, so we're going to have a pretty well-balanced team."

But even with all said and done, D'Antoni hinted the Knicks may not be done making moves quite yet.

"I think we'll be fine, I really do," he said. "I think that Glen [Grunwald] will try to better the team in every turn that he can, and if something presents itself, we'll jump all over it. I'm not sitting in here worried about it. I think we improved our team. I think Toney, Shumpert, with the ball going through Melo, we will find ways to be creative and try to make that work."

That creativity could come in the next few days from the front office. Could they lock up Baron Davis if the Cavaliers amnestied him? Would they be able to make an offer to Puerto Ricans J.J. Barea or Carlos Arroyo? Chandler hasn't even signed yet, so maybe they could create some wiggle (cap) room.

To many, the Knicks starting point guard situation is still not really set.

And D'Antoni said it best: "We'll see."

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12/9/2011  9:49 PM
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12/9/2011  10:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/9/2011  10:12 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
nixluva wrote:WTF! Can you people not read. TD isn't going to be running the offense like you would expect CP3 or Nash. MDA is planning on running things thru Melo, so really all TD or any PG is really gonna be doing is bringing the ball up and passing to Melo and letting Melo be the focal point of the set. We all know TD lacks court vision, so there's no way MDA meant that TD was gonna be able to take the reins like a real PG. Bibby if he comes would be used the same way. Just bring the ball up and hand it to Melo.

That's even worse.

Carmelo at point forward would be putrid.

This makes me wonder at times if people watch games. Melo is a solid ball handler and passer. He generates double teams without trying. Is there a better option to run the offense through on this team? You don't think Melo could develop into a facilitator instead of remaining as just a scorer? He's been a playmaker transiently, but this roster reconstruction will allow him to add much needed elements to his game.

I expect 25/7/4.5

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12/10/2011  6:01 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
nixluva wrote:WTF! Can you people not read. TD isn't going to be running the offense like you would expect CP3 or Nash. MDA is planning on running things thru Melo, so really all TD or any PG is really gonna be doing is bringing the ball up and passing to Melo and letting Melo be the focal point of the set. We all know TD lacks court vision, so there's no way MDA meant that TD was gonna be able to take the reins like a real PG. Bibby if he comes would be used the same way. Just bring the ball up and hand it to Melo.

That's even worse.

Carmelo at point forward would be putrid.


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12/10/2011  7:22 AM
airchibundo507 wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
nixluva wrote:WTF! Can you people not read. TD isn't going to be running the offense like you would expect CP3 or Nash. MDA is planning on running things thru Melo, so really all TD or any PG is really gonna be doing is bringing the ball up and passing to Melo and letting Melo be the focal point of the set. We all know TD lacks court vision, so there's no way MDA meant that TD was gonna be able to take the reins like a real PG. Bibby if he comes would be used the same way. Just bring the ball up and hand it to Melo.

That's even worse.

Carmelo at point forward would be putrid.

This makes me wonder at times if people watch games. Melo is a solid ball handler and passer. He generates double teams without trying. Is there a better option to run the offense through on this team? You don't think Melo could develop into a facilitator instead of remaining as just a scorer? He's been a playmaker transiently, but this roster reconstruction will allow him to add much needed elements to his game.

I expect 25/7/4.5


+1.
Lot's of offensive options with this team.
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12/10/2011  7:31 AM
Douglas was play hurt last season. We'll be better able to assess what he can do at the point when the season begins.
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12/10/2011  10:21 AM
Ira wrote:Douglas was play hurt last season. We'll be better able to assess what he can do at the point when the season begins.

Unless it was brain trauma, don't hold your breath.

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12/10/2011  11:26 AM

Nobody here, including myself is even remotely qualified.

TD will be given a chance. This is about ball movement not CP3-Deron Superstar replication.

Everybody saw two things last year. They saw Felton run the system after 13 games with at team that was moving the ball and in synch. Result was Stat playing at MVP levels for about 30 games last year. We all saw that.

Melo and Chandler are better than Mozzy-Gallo is a no brainer.

This is about better talent executing the system at a high level.

TD running the pt last year was far from optimal. He filled in for injured Billups and the team by that time was cooked and not running SSOL. Remember MDA saying he had to slow it down? Defense was breaking down?

TD is strong, can shoot and very good defender. His passing has been suspect.

If he can improve on certain areas he is better than any alternatives on the roster right not.

Who is available or not is not in camp to do otherwise. TD gets a chance.

We not talking about Bibby yet, and if we do, he is a part time player. Baron is not available for discussion yet.

Today its TD. He gets a shot. He gets the chance to make MDA look like a genius.

Be patient. This is all going to take 20 games to work itself thru. Two preseason games is not going to do much.

Y'all will be calling for MDA's head after 5 games.

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12/10/2011  11:45 AM
I have heard mike say, melo should easily avg a triple double, and thats with billups on the roster..

The problem i have is anytime this team solidfies the pg, we have no center, and everytime we solidfy the center we have no pg...

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12/10/2011  11:55 AM
knicks1248 wrote:I have heard mike say, melo should easily avg a triple double, and thats with billups on the roster..

The problem i have is anytime this team solidfies the pg, we have no center, and everytime we solidfy the center we have no pg...

We just got a Center, which is harder to get than a PG. Lets see what this weekend and monday bring to the table before we go to war without a PG. I think we have more moves to do.

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12/10/2011  12:05 PM
Knicksfan wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:I have heard mike say, melo should easily avg a triple double, and thats with billups on the roster..

The problem i have is anytime this team solidfies the pg, we have no center, and everytime we solidfy the center we have no pg...

We just got a Center, which is harder to get than a PG. Lets see what this weekend and monday bring to the table before we go to war without a PG. I think we have more moves to do.

I assume so, but we also need a back up PF back up or starting pg,and some more shooters..

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