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Childs2Dudley
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12/9/2011  4:03 PM
Backup center - Sorry, Jeffries is not a center and can't play there. We need to bring in Jerome Jordan or Kurt Thomas or someone who can at least give us 10 minutes a night at the backup center position. Don't forget Tyson Chandler was only playing 28 MPG last season. We'll need someone to share the load with him at center and Jeffries and Amare at center are not options.

Starting point guard - An obvious need. Douglas is not a PG and neither is Shumpert. Rautins is trash. Who is available? Mostly garbage, including Baron Davis. JJ Barea is pretty much Toney Douglas with less defense. Not many options out there unless we want to trade Toney.

Shooting guard - Landry fields is a solid player but he disappeared after the Carmelo trade. We need a veteran at this position because we simply can't trust young bucks like Fields and Shumpert to man such an important position in the playoffs. I like guys like Anthony Parker and Jason Richardson here but who knows if we have a shot at either.

Depth - For depth at all the positions I still think we should bring back Shawne Williams, Anthony Carter and Derrick Brown.

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12/9/2011  4:11 PM
1. Jared and Jorts should be able to hold down the backup spot and who knows if they'll also bring in Jordan.
2. Iman is a PG! Still it would be easier to grab a vet for the time being so things won't be so up in the air. Bibby, TJ Ford, Arroyo etc. are available. Thing is we lost our MLE.
3. Fields, TD, Iman, Walker should be able to cover the SG spot.
4. I agree with the idea of Shawne, Carter and Brown. I like those guys as role players for this team.
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12/9/2011  4:13 PM
nixluva wrote:1. Jared and Jorts should be able to hold down the backup spot and who knows if they'll also bring in Jordan.
2. Iman is a PG! Still it would be easier to grab a vet for the time being so things won't be so up in the air. Bibby, TJ Ford, Arroyo etc. are available. Thing is we lost our MLE.
3. Fields, TD, Iman, Walker should be able to cover the SG spot.
4. I agree with the idea of Shawne, Carter and Brown. I like those guys as role players for this team.

Jared Jeffries is not a center and neither is Jorts, who has done nothing in the NBA to expect him to hold down anything.

Iman is a SG, not a PG. He is a PG like Toney Douglas is a PG. His natural position is SG.

Walker is hot garbage. Nothing you mentioned makes me feel good about the SG position.

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12/9/2011  4:15 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Backup center - Sorry, Jeffries is not a center and can't play there. We need to bring in Jerome Jordan or Kurt Thomas or someone who can at least give us 10 minutes a night at the backup center position. Don't forget Tyson Chandler was only playing 28 MPG last season. We'll need someone to share the load with him at center and Jeffries and Amare at center are not options.

Starting point guard - An obvious need. Douglas is not a PG and neither is Shumpert. Rautins is trash. Who is available? Mostly garbage, including Baron Davis. JJ Barea is pretty much Toney Douglas with less defense. Not many options out there unless we want to trade Toney.

Shooting guard - Landry fields is a solid player but he disappeared after the Carmelo trade. We need a veteran at this position because we simply can't trust young bucks like Fields and Shumpert to man such an important position in the playoffs. I like guys like Anthony Parker and Jason Richardson here but who knows if we have a shot at either.

Depth - For depth at all the positions I still think we should bring back Shawne Williams, Anthony Carter and Derrick Brown.

Again with your stupid baron davis is trash comment
You are so far up JJ barea's ass because he had a solid playoff performance (so did jerome james)
Of the PG's available he;s the best.
Ford is rumored to be goin to SA
Tinsley signed somewhere else
Who do YOU have in mind?

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12/9/2011  4:16 PM
Fields disappeared but why would we assume that will happen again?

I like his size and rebounding. I like him off the bench to cover the 2 and 3. Very valuable.

Like to see Mike Redd here if healthy. Douglas off the bench.

Need a starting point. Baron running pick and roll with EITHER Stat or Melo is very tempting.

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12/9/2011  4:20 PM
I'm not trying to dis your scouting abilities, but I trust Walsh's assessment more than yours:

“I think with our team offensively, he probably will play more point than he will two guard, because Chauncey can play ‘two’ probably as good as anybody,” Walsh said. “I think he can run pick-and-roll, I think he’ll see the play, and he’ll get better at it.”

This is what he felt Iman would do THIS YEAR! Walsh has been taking players that can contribute right away. He doesn't view Iman as a project. As has been pointed out, Iman was needed to be a primary scorer. When he wasn't the kid avg'd 5 assists in his rookie year. So he clearly was capable of running a team.

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12/9/2011  4:23 PM
nixluva wrote:I'm not trying to dis your scouting abilities, but I trust Walsh's assessment more than yours:

“I think with our team offensively, he probably will play more point than he will two guard, because Chauncey can play ‘two’ probably as good as anybody,” Walsh said. “I think he can run pick-and-roll, I think he’ll see the play, and he’ll get better at it.”

This is what he felt Iman would do THIS YEAR! Walsh has been taking players that can contribute right away. He doesn't view Iman as a project. As has been pointed out, Iman was needed to be a primary scorer. When he wasn't the kid avg'd 5 assists in his rookie year. So he clearly was capable of running a team.

Whatever the case, this guy is not starting at point guard this year.

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12/9/2011  4:26 PM
fields and TD are young and it's safe to assume they'll improve as the season improves... as it stands now i'm comfortable going into the season with both.
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12/9/2011  4:26 PM
hard to see where iman fits in the backcourt until we see him play. can he run the point? we don't really know. if he can run a pick and roll, we might be in good shape.

i think a big need is a guy who can give amar'e a rest at PF. we don't really have that. hope shawne williams comes back - he can spell either melo or amare.

i think jorts could be a good option at backup center. jeffries will play, too, because d'antoni loves him, he sacrifices his body and knows the system.

i don't think we have as many needs as people are saying. i think just missing the final answer at PG. it doesn't need to be chris paul, it just needs to be someone capable, a luke ridnour, etc. toney or iman MIGHT be able to do the job.

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12/9/2011  4:28 PM
Would be happy with Baron Davis if he becomes available

Bringing Jerome jones for bench would be nice too

Then up value for players we have and help our trade chances later in year!

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12/9/2011  4:30 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
nixluva wrote:I'm not trying to dis your scouting abilities, but I trust Walsh's assessment more than yours:

“I think with our team offensively, he probably will play more point than he will two guard, because Chauncey can play ‘two’ probably as good as anybody,” Walsh said. “I think he can run pick-and-roll, I think he’ll see the play, and he’ll get better at it.”

This is what he felt Iman would do THIS YEAR! Walsh has been taking players that can contribute right away. He doesn't view Iman as a project. As has been pointed out, Iman was needed to be a primary scorer. When he wasn't the kid avg'd 5 assists in his rookie year. So he clearly was capable of running a team.

Whatever the case, this guy is not starting at point guard this year.

that's what they said of Fields before last season too, right?

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12/9/2011  4:35 PM
martin wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
nixluva wrote:I'm not trying to dis your scouting abilities, but I trust Walsh's assessment more than yours:

“I think with our team offensively, he probably will play more point than he will two guard, because Chauncey can play ‘two’ probably as good as anybody,” Walsh said. “I think he can run pick-and-roll, I think he’ll see the play, and he’ll get better at it.”

This is what he felt Iman would do THIS YEAR! Walsh has been taking players that can contribute right away. He doesn't view Iman as a project. As has been pointed out, Iman was needed to be a primary scorer. When he wasn't the kid avg'd 5 assists in his rookie year. So he clearly was capable of running a team.

Whatever the case, this guy is not starting at point guard this year.

that's what they said of Fields before last season too, right?

in theory, i agree. but PG is a much harder position to just step into in the NBA. i'll be rooting for him to do it. hope the chandler deal can get finalized today and the full squad can start practicing ASAP.

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12/9/2011  5:07 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Backup center - Sorry, Jeffries is not a center and can't play there. We need to bring in Jerome Jordan or Kurt Thomas or someone who can at least give us 10 minutes a night at the backup center position. Don't forget Tyson Chandler was only playing 28 MPG last season. We'll need someone to share the load with him at center and Jeffries and Amare at center are not options.

Starting point guard - An obvious need. Douglas is not a PG and neither is Shumpert. Rautins is trash. Who is available? Mostly garbage, including Baron Davis. JJ Barea is pretty much Toney Douglas with less defense. Not many options out there unless we want to trade Toney.

Shooting guard - Landry fields is a solid player but he disappeared after the Carmelo trade. We need a veteran at this position because we simply can't trust young bucks like Fields and Shumpert to man such an important position in the playoffs. I like guys like Anthony Parker and Jason Richardson here but who knows if we have a shot at either.

Depth - For depth at all the positions I still think we should bring back Shawne Williams, Anthony Carter and Derrick Brown.


Not sure that Jordan is really NBA ready. I can live with Jeffries in limited spurts Chandler will probably have to play 35 min/game or so which I think will be ok. I'm happy with TD and Fields at SG. TD has had some big shots in high pressure moment in particular. We don't need a superstar at every position and those 2 can play D, play hard and can stroke the 3. PG is a problem right now. SHumpert is raw and he may not pan out at PG. Maybe someone like OJ Mayo make some sense here.
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12/9/2011  5:10 PM
nixluva wrote:I'm not trying to dis your scouting abilities, but I trust Walsh's assessment more than yours:

“I think with our team offensively, he probably will play more point than he will two guard, because Chauncey can play ‘two’ probably as good as anybody,” Walsh said. “I think he can run pick-and-roll, I think he’ll see the play, and he’ll get better at it.”

This is what he felt Iman would do THIS YEAR! Walsh has been taking players that can contribute right away. He doesn't view Iman as a project. As has been pointed out, Iman was needed to be a primary scorer. When he wasn't the kid avg'd 5 assists in his rookie year. So he clearly was capable of running a team.

Walsh isn't going to trash the rook. All public assessments are very rosy and optimistic. Odds are SHumpert is going to be a project for a bit.

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12/9/2011  5:18 PM
With the shortened free agent period, amnesty etc. I think some guys will fall thru the cracks and be available to the Knicks.
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12/9/2011  5:27 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Backup center - Sorry, Jeffries is not a center and can't play there. We need to bring in Jerome Jordan or Kurt Thomas or someone who can at least give us 10 minutes a night at the backup center position. Don't forget Tyson Chandler was only playing 28 MPG last season. We'll need someone to share the load with him at center and Jeffries and Amare at center are not options.

Starting point guard - An obvious need. Douglas is not a PG and neither is Shumpert. Rautins is trash. Who is available? Mostly garbage, including Baron Davis. JJ Barea is pretty much Toney Douglas with less defense. Not many options out there unless we want to trade Toney.

Shooting guard - Landry fields is a solid player but he disappeared after the Carmelo trade. We need a veteran at this position because we simply can't trust young bucks like Fields and Shumpert to man such an important position in the playoffs. I like guys like Anthony Parker and Jason Richardson here but who knows if we have a shot at either.

Depth - For depth at all the positions I still think we should bring back Shawne Williams, Anthony Carter and Derrick Brown.

I agree with a lot of this. I endorse bringing back Williams and Anthony Carter and Derrick Brown.

I do think we need a backup center and I think the team should find a way to bring over Jordan. Running with a tandem of Tyson Chandler as the starter and having Jorts and Jordan as the backup tandem is probably the best New York is going to be able to do. It is unproven, but it's good calculated risk for ten minutes a night assuming that Chandler. If somebody like Kwame Brown could be signed on a one year deal at the minimum that's a great move, but it's more likely the Knicks will stick with what they have at center (not including Jeffries, who isn't a center).

I think we're okay at shooting guard. It's not great but Fields is a solid player who is going to get another chance to prove that he can play and should based off his performance last season. I'd also like to see Douglas play the backup two because that's what he does best. He can bring scoring off the bench and is potentially a good defensive player.

The most obvious point of need post-Chandler is a starting point guard. It's going to be slim pickings and I'd give the backup minutes to Shumpert to see if he can play. New York basically needs somebody who can dribble and pass and make good decisions. I'm not crazy about Baron Davis but I'd understand it if the Knicks took a flyer on him. Carlos Arroyo may be a good option, though.

Ultimately it's going to come down to taking fliers on guys not named Amare, Melo or Chandler and seeing what happens.

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12/9/2011  5:30 PM
going to be interesting to see how this new amnesty clause works out. Going to definitely be more veteran players on the market then there were yesterday
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12/9/2011  5:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/9/2011  6:36 PM
Toney can be one of the best 3 backcourt players on a team that wins a trophy I think. Whether he is 6th man or 3rd guard. Joe Dumars told TD-

"Douglas: When I worked out for Detroit, he told me that I remind him of himself.
Anytime you have somebody like that, he himself says it, it's a great compliment."

Read more: http://www.insidehoops.com/douglas-interview-100709.shtml#ixzz1g4xPn7Y0

Rookies hit walls and make rookie mistakes. It's a lot to ask of Iman to think he can man the helm from day one, but if he can bring the ball upcourt against TD and pass to Melo to let him run the offense he could have a job for a few days...till a vet PG gets here.

Landry/Iman/TD will likely man the 2 spot..I dunno what's up at point but I'd be floored if TD runs the point opening day. Seriously.

AC coming back? I like Carter too. It was his decision to crowd Rondo? I'd like to here what he would say about that series.

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12/9/2011  6:11 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Backup center - Sorry, Jeffries is not a center and can't play there. We need to bring in Jerome Jordan or Kurt Thomas or someone who can at least give us 10 minutes a night at the backup center position. Don't forget Tyson Chandler was only playing 28 MPG last season. We'll need someone to share the load with him at center and Jeffries and Amare at center are not options.

Starting point guard - An obvious need. Douglas is not a PG and neither is Shumpert. Rautins is trash. Who is available? Mostly garbage, including Baron Davis. JJ Barea is pretty much Toney Douglas with less defense. Not many options out there unless we want to trade Toney.

Shooting guard - Landry fields is a solid player but he disappeared after the Carmelo trade. We need a veteran at this position because we simply can't trust young bucks like Fields and Shumpert to man such an important position in the playoffs. I like guys like Anthony Parker and Jason Richardson here but who knows if we have a shot at either.

Depth - For depth at all the positions I still think we should bring back Shawne Williams, Anthony Carter and Derrick Brown.

1. I agree. We need a solid backup center with experience.
2. Although I have high hopes for Iman and do believe he can play the point, I agree that we need a vet starting point guard. I think at this point Davis might be our only hope.
3. I think our sg situation will be okay. If we can get something for cheap, fine otherwise I think we can be okay here.
4. I only want to see Shawne back.

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12/9/2011  6:18 PM
unfortunately given salary cap limitations, i think knicks are in "best player available" territory. they should absolutely bring shawne williams back. if we can't find a PG off amnesty, anthony carter may be worth bringing back too.
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