[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Too easy to call: If Chandler is in the fold and no PG, which coach has the pefect system for that....
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
Page 1 of 2  1  2 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
martin
Posts: 81571
Alba Posts: 108
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #2
USA
12/9/2011  9:02 AM
Phil Jackson.

Book it for next year if this unfolds as we expect at 2pm.

Melo as the focal point in the Triangle.

NY would almost be a mirror image of the Bulls/La Lakers in terms of personnel make-up: Post-up wing player who can dominate the offense, guards who can nail the 3, PG who is not really a PG but just hits open shots, big center, PF who can hit the jumper.

Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
AUTOADVERT
Markji
Posts: 22753
Alba Posts: -4
Joined: 9/14/2007
Member: #1673
USA
12/9/2011  9:41 AM
martin wrote:Phil Jackson.

Book it for next year if this unfolds as we expect at 2pm.

Melo as the focal point in the Triangle.

NY would almost be a mirror image of the Bulls/La Lakers in terms of personnel make-up: Post-up wing player who can dominate the offense, guards who can nail the 3, PG who is not really a PG but just hits open shots, big center, PF who can hit the jumper.


Yes! Phil "Action" Jackson!
The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense. Tom Clancy - author
fishmike
Posts: 53904
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
12/9/2011  9:42 AM
and Phil could use Larry's left over diapers
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
Vmart
Posts: 31801
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 5/23/2002
Member: #247
USA
12/9/2011  9:45 AM
martin wrote:Phil Jackson.

Book it for next year if this unfolds as we expect at 2pm.

Melo as the focal point in the Triangle.

NY would almost be a mirror image of the Bulls/La Lakers in terms of personnel make-up: Post-up wing player who can dominate the offense, guards who can nail the 3, PG who is not really a PG but just hits open shots, big center, PF who can hit the jumper.

I just made a fresh pot of coffee.

EnySpree
Posts: 44928
Alba Posts: 138
Joined: 4/18/2003
Member: #397
12/9/2011  9:46 AM
The fix is in!
Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast https://twitter.com/DiehardknicksPC https://instagram.com/diehardknickspodcast
Silverfuel
Posts: 31751
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 6/27/2002
Member: #268
USA
12/9/2011  9:47 AM
Would be nice
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
AnubisADL
Posts: 27382
Alba Posts: 13
Joined: 6/29/2009
Member: #2771
USA
12/9/2011  9:50 AM
Mike Woodson is fine. He makes sure the stars get the ball. He ran the offense through Joe Johnson in Atlanta.
NY Knicks - Retirement home for players and GMs
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
12/9/2011  9:53 AM
It's hard to have a guy with a bad assist:turnover ratio running your triangle.
nixluva
Posts: 56258
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/5/2004
Member: #758
USA
12/9/2011  9:54 AM
I don't really think the Triangle works unless the Center and the SG/SF are good passers. I don't know enough about Chandler to know if he can pass. It's possible that it could work, but it's also a lot harder than people realize and the players have to have certain skill sets and a ball sharing disposition to excel at it. SSOL is the opposite, you only need one player to be good at passing for it to work!

Besides I think the Knicks will have adequate PG play to run MDA's offense. Some PG's like TD haven't been able to run it but we saw Felton get the hang of it, even tho he's not a pure passer. Guys like Berea, Sessions, Bibby, TJ Ford, Chris Quinn, E Watson, Telfair and Arroyo are available. I still have faith that Iman can develop into a solid PG under MDA too. We'll see.
Allanfan20
Posts: 36072
Alba Posts: 50
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #542
USA
12/9/2011  9:57 AM
Jeff Van Gundy
“I couldn’t dunk it so I tried to, you know, just touched it.”- OG Anunoby
fishmike
Posts: 53904
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
12/9/2011  10:08 AM
Ive always thought the one upside to having Phil is it means people here can no longer blame the coach. So when Melo doesnt defend, Amare cant play back to backs and Jared Jeffries is playing front rotation minutes we can stop blaming the coach and realize this is the roster and players we have.
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
nixluva
Posts: 56258
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/5/2004
Member: #758
USA
12/9/2011  10:22 AM
fishmike wrote:Ive always thought the one upside to having Phil is it means people here can no longer blame the coach. So when Melo doesnt defend, Amare cant play back to backs and Jared Jeffries is playing front rotation minutes we can stop blaming the coach and realize this is the roster and players we have.

Yes this is true. People also overlook that you need a player like Jordan or Kobe for the Triangle to really be an effective attack! There's a reason why this offense hasn't taken hold on more teams. NY fans scoff at Mike's system but more teams use his principles than Phil's. The reason is that you can make it work with less talent and size, which is a problem in the league. Look at how much it boosted the Spurs last year when they started playing a SSOL style of ball.
martin
Posts: 81571
Alba Posts: 108
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #2
USA
12/9/2011  10:30 AM
nixluva wrote:I don't really think the Triangle works unless the Center and the SG/SF are good passers. I don't know enough about Chandler to know if he can pass. It's possible that it could work, but it's also a lot harder than people realize and the players have to have certain skill sets and a ball sharing disposition to excel at it. SSOL is the opposite, you only need one player to be good at passing for it to work!

don't agree with you. Check out the CHI teams, they didn't need a C who was a good passer, they just needed a post guy who was a good passer. Shaq/Gasol fit the triangle well cause they were big men who could pass and were good decision-makers. Amare/Melo fit that.

It's the post player, not the position necessarily.

Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
holfresh
Posts: 38679
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/14/2006
Member: #1081
12/9/2011  11:04 AM
I'm not really feeling Phil anymore..I was all for Phil right around the time Brown got here...I'm not sure of the type of drive he still has...I'm not sure why he would come back..I like the type of coach that he represents tho..Not always about the X and O's but also about challenging the players as men...That's why I would prefer Doc with these players...I really don't see MDA as a fit anymore..These players need a leader or a coach they respect and I'm not sure MDA is that guy...
Olbrannon
Posts: 21913
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 10/2/2009
Member: #2919
USA
12/9/2011  11:10 AM
Did not Woodson run exactly the same offense with 'that 2nd fiddle guy' in Cleveland?
Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
crzymdups
Posts: 52018
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/1/2004
Member: #671
USA
12/9/2011  11:17 AM
Olbrannon wrote:Did not Woodson run exactly the same offense with 'that 2nd fiddle guy' in Cleveland?

Woodson was the Atlanta coach. new Lakers coach Mike Brown was the Cavs coach... is that what you mean?

¿ △ ?
Olbrannon
Posts: 21913
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 10/2/2009
Member: #2919
USA
12/9/2011  11:22 AM
crzymdups wrote:
Olbrannon wrote:Did not Woodson run exactly the same offense with 'that 2nd fiddle guy' in Cleveland?

Woodson was the Atlanta coach. new Lakers coach Mike Brown was the Cavs coach... is that what you mean?

yea ...my bad.

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
fishmike
Posts: 53904
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
12/9/2011  11:30 AM
holfresh wrote:I'm not really feeling Phil anymore..I was all for Phil right around the time Brown got here...I'm not sure of the type of drive he still has...I'm not sure why he would come back..I like the type of coach that he represents tho..Not always about the X and O's but also about challenging the players as men...That's why I would prefer Doc with these players...I really don't see MDA as a fit anymore..These players need a leader or a coach they respect and I'm not sure MDA is that guy...
who were to good and great players MDA has coached? Would you say they were pushed? I mean the two all stars he had to work with were Amare and Nash and isnt it fair to say he got those two playing the best bb of their career?

MDA still hasnt had a real team since he's been here. Last year there was talentm, but it was two teams and essentially a pump and dump for Melo.

Well, we are looking at starting the year w/ a Melo/Stat/Chandler front line and guards who can shoot and defend some.

I would say your looking at the Knicks core moving forward. Lets see how he coaches this team. A team with a Melo/Amare/Chandler frontcourt should be a top 4 seed, and at least a deep 2nd round team. Upside is we should be in the NBAs final 4

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
Childs2Dudley
Posts: 23906
Alba Posts: 5
Joined: 1/25/2010
Member: #3051
USA
12/9/2011  11:32 AM
Phil Jackson's teams require his big men to be playmakers. I don't believe Carmelo and especially Amar'e fall into the playmaker category.

Nevertheless, I would welcome Phil Jackson here with open arms. He could probably get the most of those guys.

"Our attitude toward life determines life's attitude towards us." - Earl Nightingale
crzymdups
Posts: 52018
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/1/2004
Member: #671
USA
12/9/2011  11:35 AM
I agree that Phil Jackson seems like a no-brainer candidate, but I question whether he'll actually come.

But the triangle with Amar'e and Melo and hopefully Iman and Toney seems like a no-brainer.

¿ △ ?
Page 1 of 2  1  2 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
Too easy to call: If Chandler is in the fold and no PG, which coach has the pefect system for that....
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy