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11/4/2011  5:03 PM
This is on the home page from NY Times:

A faction of 50 N.B.A. players is threatening to dissolve the union if it compromises further on player salaries. The league is facing an equivalent threat from a trenchant group of owners, who are vowing to oppose any deal that gives players more than 50 percent of revenue.

The owners’ faction includes between 10 and 14 owners and is being led by Charlotte’s Michael Jordan, according to a person who has spoken with the owners. That group wanted the players’ share set no higher than 47 percent, and it was upset when league negotiators proposed a 50-50 split last month.

According to the person who spoke with the owners, Jordan’s faction intends to vote against the 50-50 deal, if negotiations get that far. Saturday’s owners meeting was arranged in part to address that concern.

A majority of the 29 owners are believed to support a 50-50 deal, but they are reluctant to move further.

“There’s no one who’s interested in going above 50 percent,” said the person who has spoken with the owners
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Is that the same Michael Jordan that once made $30 million in one season? Is he really now saying that the players need to take less than 50% of the BRI. The owners are crazy. What they need to do is make NY, LA, Chicago, Boston, Dallas, and some of the other big market teams give up some of their millions to balance this thing out and get the season started. The players will sit for the next year before they agree to 50/50 and they would never come back if the deal was 47% (they would form their own league first). The fools are going lose more money arguing over that last $100 million than if they simply came to an agreement at 51% or 51.5%. It is insanity.

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11/4/2011  5:14 PM
Michael Jordan has lost more gambling in a year than most rookies will make in a career. He's a supreme douche bag, a terrible business man, and an ineffective team owner. He can bite nutsack.
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11/4/2011  5:17 PM
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11/4/2011  6:00 PM
michael jordan's competitive spirit is probably taking over here. he's on a new team now and they're gonna dominate. i use charlotte as an example of why i find the owner's side of this downright disgraceful.

charlotte already failed as an NBA city once. so guess what we'll do? we'll put another team in charlotte. yeeeeeeaaaaahhhhh, that'll work. and now we got the proud selector of kwame and morrison in charge. and when the bobcat's fail, it's the system that's causing the problems? lol...

don't forget the kings. run by the maloof's, the partying playboys, on top of the world during the playoff runs behind webber, bibby and divac. now crying poverty because the money they INHERITED isn't so magic anymore. their vegas ventures have gone bust, and now so are the sacramento kings, and of course it's the NBA system that's causing the problem? lol...

what about the hornets (see charlotte). city already failed once (see the new orleans jazz). shinn was a crap owner too.

this is what you get when you try to spread what you got as thin as possible. by expanding the NBA they have dispersed the talent so much that it's that much harder to get a "franchise" level player on your team. making the disparity even worse is that now the players recognize how difficult it is to build a franchise core. they are taking matters into their own hands and forcing deals to try and fortify their own legacies and become champions. that's how these guys ultimately get judged now so everyone is strapping up in a war for chips.

the writing is on the wall, we're bout to see an era dominated by miami, new york, chicago, OKC and some other teams that are likely to come up. the small market owners don't like it one bit and with the benefit of clear forsight into the competitive picture for the next few years, the small market owners are pulling bitch moves right now.

back to jordan for one last bit, i'd really love if his little "lead the charge" act, empowering the small market revolution to knock BRI down to 47%, results in a knee jerk reaction by players who wear jordan's to drop his brand and jump to the competition. imagine they hit him back like that? that would be NUTS!!! man, i wouldn't be surprised if adidas put out this report.

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11/4/2011  11:28 PM
As a historical matter, during the last labor crisis, in 1998, Jordan famously challenged Abe Pollin, the Washington Wizards owner at the time, reportedly bellowing, “If you can’t make a profit, you should sell your team.”

At the time, Jordan was a superstar who had made $33 million — the most in league history — in his final season with the Chicago Bulls.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/05/sports/basketball/hard-line-factions-threaten-latest-nba-negotiations.html?src=tp

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11/5/2011  4:44 AM
If true, I suppose some people have no sense of shame, though I get that he's an owner now. I'm not sure I believe the story- yes, I think he is probably one of the hardline owners but I doubt he's actually the leader of them- he's only been an owner since this past February- the hardline owners started their push 2 years ago- how the heck could Jordan be leading it? There's no way he has that kind of juice as an owner.

This story was obviously leaked by Stern- it's in the NYT, as he knows the players are there for the meeting, and by showing how close the hardline owners are to taking over, so it's a warning to players about pushing for more than 50-50 (who knows if it's a genuine 50-50 or actually 47% at this point). Myabe he chose Jordan to maximise attention for the story among the players- if the story had just read hat Allen or Sarver are leading the charge, no one would have paid attention as it's something we already know. He's thrown Jordan under a bus though as this will hugely damage him in the eyes of players, the media and some fans.

What's funny is next they'll be a whole host of denials that he is a hradliner, just as there was for Paul Allen and Dan Gilbert- I love that none of these owners have the courage of their convictions, and won't admit to their stance.

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11/5/2011  3:36 PM
I knew it, that's why when ESPN called on Jordan to work things out since he was once a player on the other side and a team owner now, he didn't do so. Because he is who he is, a stubborn, take it my way or the highway kind of guy, and he thinks he deserves the best for him. As a player, I loved him, even thought he killed my Knick's, he was greatness and backed everything up, injured or sick, he was one tough guy. What makes him is also what kills him, he wants to be the best and influenced his team to do so. Years, after his retirements, I learned he was a horrible team mate because he would make them feel like crap, curse them out, and even get physical with them. It worked out, as they all respected and feared him, but that's no way to treat a team...
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11/5/2011  9:30 PM
RonRon wrote:I knew it, that's why when ESPN called on Jordan to work things out since he was once a player on the other side and a team owner now, he didn't do so. Because he is who he is, a stubborn, take it my way or the highway kind of guy, and he thinks he deserves the best for him. As a player, I loved him, even thought he killed my Knick's, he was greatness and backed everything up, injured or sick, he was one tough guy. What makes him is also what kills him, he wants to be the best and influenced his team to do so. Years, after his retirements, I learned he was a horrible team mate because he would make them feel like crap, curse them out, and even get physical with them. It worked out, as they all respected and feared him, but that's no way to treat a team...

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If only Ewing had his balls we might have won one championship.

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11/5/2011  9:34 PM
Papabear wrote:
RonRon wrote:I knew it, that's why when ESPN called on Jordan to work things out since he was once a player on the other side and a team owner now, he didn't do so. Because he is who he is, a stubborn, take it my way or the highway kind of guy, and he thinks he deserves the best for him. As a player, I loved him, even thought he killed my Knick's, he was greatness and backed everything up, injured or sick, he was one tough guy. What makes him is also what kills him, he wants to be the best and influenced his team to do so. Years, after his retirements, I learned he was a horrible team mate because he would make them feel like crap, curse them out, and even get physical with them. It worked out, as they all respected and feared him, but that's no way to treat a team...

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If only Ewing had his balls we might have won one championship.

I have always thought that the only tragic flaw of Ewings was that he played during the Jordan era. Unlike Jordan he needed someone to get him the ball but otherwise I think he outbeasted everyone. Remember the Knicks were workout warriors and when guys left(from that core (i.e. Starks) you heard about how teammates followed them to the gym for workouts on their own. Ewing also was a part and probably the godfather of the legendary Georgetown workouts. He was a beast and never had a Pippen to run with in his prime. I have never seen any reason to question Ewing's leadership, intensity, work ethic, character or desire to win. I don't think being great equals being a total @sshole.
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11/5/2011  9:57 PM


I thought this was going to be a quick copy and paste but ended up watching it again for the entire 11 minutes.

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11/5/2011  9:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/5/2011  10:00 PM
Being great player has nothing to do with being great in anything else.
Jordah, Isiah... great players and crappy people.
Greatness is ability to do what you do best and stay away from stuff you have no f..ng business to do.
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11/5/2011  10:06 PM
arkrud wrote:Being great player has nothing to do with being great in anything else.
Jordah, Isiah... great players and crappy people.
Greatness is ability to do what you do best and stay away from stuff you have no f..ng business to do.
My point was Ewing was one of the greatest and he is not a crappy person. In Isiah's case I think there are more issues going on than just being a crappy person.
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11/6/2011  1:54 AM

I think Jax bought out the ability to let jordan share the burden and trust he could not do it all alone. There are many moments where Jordan shined, but many when he was triple teamed he kicked it out and made the right pass.

Maybe it was a combo of Ewing not having the right help, but also him not wanting help and wanting to be the man that ultimately was both his strength and his weakness. Ewing would not tell this coaches when his was in pain and would wear down. He was both a warrior and a fool.

Jordan was great scorer but in time had to learn when to let the game come to him and when his teammates could carry it. Jax taught him and he was the perfect student and became the perfect beast.

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11/6/2011  8:28 AM
To be fair to MJ he took a lot less than what he was worth. Yes they gave him 60 Million contract for 2 years but that was at the end of his run. Other than that he made a lot less than a LeBron or Wade or Melo. I think 3X less.
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11/6/2011  10:55 AM
Big, bad Michael Jordan had become Paul Allen 2.0 during the meeting, Kessler said, barely uttering a word.

Arbitrator George Cohen’ suggestions, Kessler said, had been hijacked by Stern and turned into the owners’ official offer. The money quote from my news story, after the 8 1/2 hours of meetings and 60 minutes of dueling news conferences had ended: “The story here is they want it all,” Kessler bellowed. “They want a win, win, win, win. We wanted a compromise. Our 51 percent offer was based on a fair system. They would have to come to us on the system, but they did not.”

So although the sides are close on the money, they are not close on what is fair and what is unfair. And now comes the waiting (until Wednesday, when the owners say their offer will expire), and the fallout.

Let’s have a looksee around the Web to see how this story is evolving:


Ben Golliver of CBSSports.com: “On Saturday, as labor talks between the NBA and the National Basketball Players Association were winding down, at least three NBA players took to Twitter to express their frustration with Jordan.
“I’m not wearing Jordans no more,” Washington Wizards guard Nick Young said. “Can’t believe what I just seen and heard from MJ. Elvis Done Left The Building.” ”Damn MJ,” Indiana Pacers guard Paul George wondered aloud. “That’s how you feel?” Later, Golden State Warriors rookie wing Klay Thompson replied to George: “You think the 1996 MJ would pull this? Straight hypocrite bro.” George agreed: “Man straight hypocrite bro.. He should’ve been the 1st one behind us smh

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11/6/2011  1:38 PM

"Not wearing Jordans anymore".........Thats some funny stuff!

These guys think they are still 13?

I guess they don't have a Nike deal? If they do they need to becareful what they say.

MJ is a freaking owner guys! He made his money and now owns a team! What do they expect?

Hyprocrite? no, he IS AN OWNER!

Is is fighting for the same thing the players are fighting for: MONEY!

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11/6/2011  2:36 PM
Nalod wrote:
"Not wearing Jordans anymore".........Thats some funny stuff!

These guys think they are still 13?

I guess they don't have a Nike deal? If they do they need to becareful what they say.

MJ is a freaking owner guys! He made his money and now owns a team! What do they expect?

Hyprocrite? no, he IS AN OWNER!

Is is fighting for the same thing the players are fighting for: MONEY!

Yeah but did Jordan have to be out front on this??? That's just creating more animosity. The owners could've made a bit more concessions on the system side so the Union could save face and get this deal done! This tough guy attitude is prolonging the dispute.

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11/6/2011  2:48 PM
In a beautiful world, salaries would be tied to wins. If you win many games, you make many dollars, and if you lose many games, then you make less dollars.
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11/6/2011  3:41 PM
N.B.A. Owners Give Players 4 Days to Accept Final Offer
By HOWARD BECK
A perilous four-month standoff between N.B.A. players and owners has been reduced to a four-day window, with an ultimatum that might destroy the 2011-12 season.

Negotiations on a new labor deal failed again Saturday night, this time with specific consequences: The players have until Wednesday afternoon to accept the league’s final offer, or be dealt a significantly worse alternative.

They are almost certain to reject both proposals, throwing the league into turmoil.

“Right now, we’ve been given the ultimatum,” the president of the players union, Derek Fisher, said in a news conference early Sunday morning. “And our answer is: that’s not acceptable to us.”

The next move made by the players might be the one they have dutifully avoided since the lockout began — dissolving their union. A powerful group of agents and players are clamoring for such an action, which would shift the battle to the courts and perhaps buy them the leverage they need. But it could take months to execute, leaving little hope for salvaging the season.

The league’s fate should be clearer by the close of business Wednesday. That was the deadline given to the union by Commissioner David Stern to accept the owners’ offer: effectively, a 50-50 split of revenues and a package of harsh restrictions on team spending and free agency.

If the union balks, Stern said, the owners will withdraw it and instead offer the players a 47 percent share, combined with a so-called “flex-cap” system that, in practice, imposes a hard cap on payrolls.

“We hope that this juxtaposition will cause the union to assess its position and accept the deal,” Stern said.

Union leaders seem unlikely to reconsider. “But hope springs eternal,” Stern said, “and we would love to see the union accept the proposal that is now on the table.”

This latest negotiating session, the 21st of the lockout, lasted for eight and a half hours, ending around 1:30 a.m. Sunday. Under the guidance of George Cohen, a federal mediator, the parties actually narrowed the gap on some crucial items before the talks collapsed.

The players — who had vowed not to accept less than 52.5 percent of league revenues — proposed a 51 percent share, with 1 percent devoted to aid retired players. That moved them within 1 percent of the league’s longstanding proposal.

On Saturday, the owners proposed a “band” that would pay the players 49 to 51 percent, depending on revenue growth. But the union said it amounted to a 50 percent offer, because the threshold for growth was so high that the share would never get to 51. Jeff Kessler, the union’s outside counsel and chief negotiator, called the 49 to 51 band “a fraud.”

Yet it was ultimately the mechanics of a new system, not the revenue split, that killed the talks.

The league’s standing proposal would eliminate spending options for teams that pay the luxury tax, by banning them from sign-and-trade deals and the use of the midlevel exception. At Cohen’s suggestion, the league proposed a “mini-midlevel” that would start at $2.5 million — half the value of the full midlevel — and would be limited to two-year deals.

The N.B.A.’s proposal also called for an additional penalty — a so-called “repeater tax” — on teams that exceed the tax threshold three times in a five-year span. The union is open to the concept, but not at the steep rates proposed by the league.

The net effect of the N.B.A.’s proposal, the union said, would be to eliminate the highest-spending teams from acquiring top talent — thus devastating the free-agent market.

Union officials have been willing to compromise on the revenue split pending some degree of compromise from owners in other areas.

“The big story here is they want it all,” Kessler said, growing more agitated with every sentence.

He said the repeater-tax provision, as proposed, would amount to a hard salary cap, something the union has opposed for decades.

“Those deals are not acceptable for players today, it’s not acceptable for future generations of players,” Kessler said. “They want a win-win-win-win. We wanted to compromise. They’re not giving the players a lot of choice.”

The union wants tax-paying teams to retain sign-and-trade options and to have use of a full midlevel exception, at $5 million. As a compromise, union officials proposed that the midlevel be available to taxpayers only every other year.

Saturday’s meeting involved full negotiating committees on both sides, plus a few added participants. Joining the owners’ delegation were two of the leading hardliners — Charlotte’s Michael Jordan and Portland’s Paul Allen — plus Miami’s Micky Arison, who is one of the most eager to cut a deal. Chauncey Billups, the Knicks point guard, joined the players’ side.

Billy Hunter, the union’s executive director, left without speaking to reporters. A union spokesman said that Hunter was tired and feeling under the weather.

No additional talks are scheduled, nor expected, now that the N.B.A. has issued its ultimatum.

The players are in an untenable position, with choices that range from bad to worse. Dissolving the union may be the inevitable course — whether it comes by force, from a disenchanted faction of players, or by union leaders themselves.

Neither Fisher nor Kessler would entertain that possibility early Sunday morning, but the union has always held out decertification as a measure of last resort. Going that route would allow the players to sue the league under federal antitrust law, but resolution could take years.

The real value of decertification is to create chaos and uncertainty for the league and to motivate the owners to negotiate.

In the meantime, Fisher said he saw no value in putting the league’s proposal up to a vote of the players.

“Our job is to take a deal to our players that we’re comfortable presenting, and that we feel will get passed,” he said, adding, “At this point, we don’t have a deal to propose.”

These idiot owners are not negotiating in good faith, nor have they been. The deal was there at 51% from the very beginning The owners are trying to take advantage of the players by proposing terms to provoke rejection. They don't seem to care about the fans or the sport. They are spoiled brats who are toying with our league.

I have lost all respect for MJ. What a tool. I get that he's just a terrible owner and terrible judge of talent and egomaniac, thus his results have not been profitable. Too effing bad for him. Sell the team to someone who cares about hoops and the fans. *rant over*

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11/6/2011  4:40 PM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:In a beautiful world, salaries would be tied to wins. If you win many games, you make many dollars, and if you lose many games, then you make less dollars.

As long as the owners have the same rules! They shouldn't be rewarded or bailed out for dumb decisions!

Michael Jordan is leading the charge to hold the players to 47%!?

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