No bullshyte, just straight facts on this trade, the players involved, the effect on the team !!! Bring it dawg !!!!

FACT #1 - KVH was a very valuable player on this team, its not everyday you have a guy that can get you 18pts & 8rebs for his career and he is still only 27yrs old !!! FACT #2 - KVH may have a bad scoring game but he always came away with atleast 7rebs !!! FACT #3 - Everyone says KVH is not clutch, well i remember him winning some games for us this year because he was clutch, remember the CAVS game and he was hot at the end of the HORNETS game but Anderson turned the ball over and Marbury didn't feed the hot hand !!! FACT #4 - The chemistry was really good at this point with the team, now we start all over again with just 30+ games to get it together !!! FACT #6 - TT gets almost equal money with 1 more year on his contract than KVH but produces less than KVH !!! FACT#7 - TT is lazy on defense, now KVH may not play defense well but its not because of lack of effort !!! TT shows no effort on defense and that is worst !!! FACT#8 - I am a KNICKS fan first and formost so i will embrace this trade with open arms but their is such a thing as " OVER DOING IT " !!! ZEKE may have done just that but disturbing the rythem of this squad in the middle of the playoff run !!! ( i love zeke don't get me wrong ) #9 - The type of player TT is is the same as MILES just that MILES is a whole lot cheaper !!! And finally FACT #10 - I HOPE WE WIN IT ALL TO SHUT US ALL UP !!!! KNICKS FOR LIFE !!!

TT is not an upgrade over Van Horn...
BUT here are the positives of this trade:
1. TT is a better ball handler
2. TT is quicker
... previous two positives make TT a better fit into our system
3. Nazr is a HUGE upgrade at the 5 spot (not a blockbuster upgrade but still can be considered a nice acquisition due to lack of talent available at this position)
3. Nazr is quicker than anything we had before at that position making him fit into our system better than Mutombo
4. Nazr is a true center who bangs down low for his offense as oppose to Doleac who was more of a Spot up shooter (Shooter is nice to have but our need was for a low post banger and that need was addressed)
All these reasons make us an all around better team... than we were before... as I said before.. Basketball is a team sport.. all 5 players work together to run an offense and defense.

The players we got fit our system better than the players we gave up.
It can be argued that the indivudual player we gave up at the 3 is better than what we got in return... that is true...
But as a team.. .we are better...

And finally... these two guys are coming from two teams in two different situations that did not compliment their skills... Our team compliments their skills better than their previous teams. Do not be surprised if their stats improve once they learn our system...

One final point... Money is not any issue as we will not be players in free agency for a long long time... Cutting payroll won't reduce ticket prices or get us any closer to signing a big time free agent for the next 3 to 4 years... we are building to win it all as soon as possible... Any arguement based on fiscal responsobility is baseless...

What is the better front line: C=DEKE / PF=RASHEED / SF=KVH ( KT is the 6th man ) or C=DEKE / PF=KT / SF=TT ( NAZR is the 6th man ) ???? I feel that WALLACE will be a knick uniform next season regardless !!!

GUNNY i would have tossed in the polish center we got in the marbury trade or something but it could have worked !!! Do you think the 2nd rd pick was necessary ???

Posted by Snowman:

NYVECTOR i see your point on NAZR but we could have gotten him easily without giving up KVH !!! The hawks would have taken DOLEAC straight up on that deal !!!! As far as ball handling & TT, well yes he is a better ball handler but why would i need KVH to handle the ball when i have MARBURY, WILLIAMS & PENNY to do that ???

Snowman,

Anyone can pull up a stat sheet and say the knicks shouldnt have traded KVH for TT, but that is not doing this trade justice.

DO you really want H20, KVH, KT and Doleac on the floor with Steph shooting jumpers. Thats 4 jumpshooters, IS this a well balanced BBall team in your opinion. Also which one of these players are gonna run the break with Steph. Come on Man KVH and H20's game and personality are too similar. If you wanna make the playoffs fine, if you want to BEGIN to build a championship team then KVH had to go. And it aint like you could trade him for anything better NO ONE in the NBA wants KVHs contract.

BIG this is just my opinion but i bet UTAH would have taken him off our hands !!! We could have picked up KEON CLARK & OSTERFAG ( cut osterag after trade ) !!! Utah would have jumped all over that

Well.. we do agree in most respects of this arguement Snowman...
But... although I would rather have KVH as my teamate in a 2 on 2 pick up game.. Tim Thomas is more of the type of player to go on breaks with Marbury and run the floor.
In previous games.. Marbury has not just been out-running the opposition but alot of his teamates as well..
We have to bring in talent that compliments our team core which cannot be argued IS Marbury...

Posted by Snowman:

A trade of HARRINGTON & DOLEAC for NAZR would have worked !!! Trade ID #1509565 !!! Both HARRINGTON & DOLEAC are in the final year of thier contract which is what atlanta wanted !!!

Atlanta didn't want Harrington. They only want players with ending contracts. Harrington has another year after this one.

[Edited by - Rich on 02/16/2004 00:40:10]

RICH your wrong bro, HARRINGTON & DOLEAC has the same contract, check REALGM.COM

you know the funny part about this thread is, that in the beginning of the season kvh got bashed on the daily and people wanted to trade kvh for a bag of rocks. Now the arguement is about how we should have kept kvh. with that in mind maybe TT will work out better (you can't really argue with zekes chocies so far). All i want now is to get sheed and lose our scrubs.

[Edited by - armondaone on 02/16/2004 00:54:49]