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Uptown
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6/24/2011  11:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/24/2011  12:00 PM
Jacked from another board, supposedly this was in the NewsDay....

According to multiple sources, Walsh took a poll of the Knicks' war room, of all the scouts and basketball staff, and there was a split between Shumpert and Singleton. Walsh then turned to Mike D'Antoni, who said he wanted Shumpert. That's when Walsh declared, "Shumpert is the pick" and the selection was submitted.
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6/24/2011  12:06 PM
Good to hear
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6/24/2011  12:08 PM
So much for MDA not wanting a so-called nonshooter. I guess we'll find out how true this statement is once the season rolls around.
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6/24/2011  12:16 PM
Mike got to see these prospects up close and if he feels he can work with a guard I tend to trust his instincts. So long as Iman is willing to learn, he's gonna learn a lot from MDA and improve. I think all the MDA bashing is so overdone and it's all around the web. Almost no one like MDA. They think he actually just wants non defensive players, but they overlook the fact that even in PHX he had his defensive specialists he could depend on. He didn't have size or much of a backup PG, but he did play guys that could defend. This kid can give him what they wanted to get if they had drafted Westbrook. A good defensive PG that can also get out on the break and push the ball.
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6/24/2011  12:19 PM
If he is playing the point I don't expect to see a lot of him. D'Antoni wouldn't play Douglas even though Duhon was horrible and was gone at the end of the season. At least we know why the Knicks took this guy instead of grabbing Singleton and then making a run at Malcom Lee in the second round. There is not a big difference between Shumpert and Lee in my opinion. Its interesting that the coach wanted this kid when he had no use for Brewer.
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6/24/2011  12:21 PM
its becoause brewer is sucks.

how many minutes did brewer play in the finals?

how many minutes did cardinal play?
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6/24/2011  12:29 PM
obviously this story is a lie. Posters here established a long time ago MDA doesnt like guys who play D.

This guy might have some Raja Bell in him

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6/24/2011  12:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/24/2011  12:33 PM
CrushAlot wrote:If he is playing the point I don't expect to see a lot of him. D'Antoni wouldn't play Douglas even though Duhon was horrible and was gone at the end of the season. At least we know why the Knicks took this guy instead of grabbing Singleton and then making a run at Malcom Lee in the second round. There is not a big difference between Shumpert and Lee in my opinion. Its interesting that the coach wanted this kid when he had no use for Brewer.

Shumpert is a far superior and stronger athlete than Lee. Lee is 195lbs and will struggle defending strong 2 guards, an area in which Shumpert will not struggle in.
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6/24/2011  12:34 PM
Listen, I'm not a big MDA fan myself, but I root for my team regardless, I dont root against the coach...
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6/24/2011  12:42 PM
Uptown wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:If he is playing the point I don't expect to see a lot of him. D'Antoni wouldn't play Douglas even though Duhon was horrible and was gone at the end of the season. At least we know why the Knicks took this guy instead of grabbing Singleton and then making a run at Malcom Lee in the second round. There is not a big difference between Shumpert and Lee in my opinion. Its interesting that the coach wanted this kid when he had no use for Brewer.

Shumpert is a far superior and stronger athlete than Lee. Lee is 195lbs and will struggle defending strong 2 guards, an area in which Shumpert will not struggle in.

I bet we also see him at the 3 a few times because he probably has enough size, length, and quickness to do a decent job against certain small forwards.

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6/24/2011  12:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/24/2011  12:49 PM
The New York "war room" was reportedly split between Shumpert and projected lottery pick Chris Singleton last night, but went with the sleeper, not the slipper, at the behest of Mike D'Antoni. Why? Fit.

Shumpert and Singleton, at least on paper, have basic attributes in common. They're talented, dedicated defenders who don't have the offensive thing completely figured out quite yet. The crucial difference is that Singleton is bigger and fits most naturally at small forward, which, on the Knick depth chart, is Meloville, population: Melo. Shumpert isn't that much smaller, but has the fleet feet to play guard in the NBA. The most important thing is that he can guard guards, which Singleton probably could not. If you recall the delight with which Rajon Rondo and Ray Allen violated the Knicks during the playoffs, you'll agree that this was an area of the utmost need.

http://nymag.com/daily/sports/2011/06/how_do_shumpert_and_jorts_fit.html

Note: Shumpert & Jorts sounds like a tv cartoon show to me.

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6/24/2011  12:50 PM
MDA might have disliked Singleton more than anything else, and that's why he went with Shumpert...

... or he saw that Shumpert might actually be able to hit those open 3s as well as defend.


Bruce Bowen +... that's how I'm approaching Shumpert at this time.

Those stories about him shutting down Fredette at one of the pre-draft events, and I think Jenkins, in his workout for the Knicks (might have heard this on ESPN radio earlier today), are also things that must have impressed the Knicks' draft squad.

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6/24/2011  12:53 PM
Uptown wrote:Listen, I'm not a big MDA fan myself, but I root for my team regardless, I dont root against the coach...
I root for the team and I really am focused on the draft and how it worked out. I don't have any intention of making this about the coach. However, Shumpert is an upside guy and in the past that hasn't worked out to well here. Hopefully with the endorsement from D'Antoni things will be different this time. I do think if Shumpert plays the 2 he will get a lot of minutes. I have a hard time picturing D'Antoni giving Shumpert a lot of time at the point. I think at least for next year he will be more of a two guard.
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6/24/2011  1:29 PM
MDA also, I seem to recall, express some excitement at Darko, Anthony Randolph and Anthony Roberson.

He suffers from a disease that I think many suffer from - short term fascination and excitement with the next shiny toy.

I just hope he can stick the course and help this kid develop. He has all the physical tools. Will MDA spend the time trying to develop the between the ears stuff? MDA hasn't shown the patience here in NYC to do that with players.
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6/24/2011  4:00 PM
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Uptown wrote:Listen, I'm not a big MDA fan myself, but I root for my team regardless, I dont root against the coach...
I root for the team and I really am focused on the draft and how it worked out. I don't have any intention of making this about the coach. However, Shumpert is an upside guy and in the past that hasn't worked out to well here. Hopefully with the endorsement from D'Antoni things will be different this time. I do think if Shumpert plays the 2 he will get a lot of minutes. I have a hard time picturing D'Antoni giving Shumpert a lot of time at the point. I think at least for next year he will be more of a two guard.

Crush...We were picking at 17. Everyone available had big question marks. Singleton was a gooe defender but he's a SF. Where/How would he get minutes behind Melo, unless you slide Melo to the 4 and Stat at the 5 and that would kill our post defense.

Faried is a 6'6 PF. Cant play him and Stat together. Stat already has a tender back, he doesn;t need to be guarding anymore 5's. Shumpert is a need because of our rail thin/injury prone our backcourt is. The Celts abused us in the backcourt last year. Shump can play with Billups, Fields or Douglas. It was a very solid pick imo.
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6/25/2011  12:55 AM
franco12 wrote:MDA also, I seem to recall, express some excitement at Darko, Anthony Randolph and Anthony Roberson.

He suffers from a disease that I think many suffer from - short term fascination and excitement with the next shiny toy.

I just hope he can stick the course and help this kid develop. He has all the physical tools. Will MDA spend the time trying to develop the between the ears stuff? MDA hasn't shown the patience here in NYC to do that with players.

When will people stop posting such nonsense??? There have been many players that have blossomed under MDA and he has a very good track record of helping players to improve. Just cuz there are a few guys who had problems developing BEFORE they came to the Knicks doesn't prove that Mike is at fault. Not every pick works out. If they did Mike would have a 100% success rate.

Let's cut the crap. The kid has to dedicate himself to put in the work and I have no reason to doubt that he will. Iman wanted to come here and the Knicks wanted him. He fits one of our biggest needs and provides coverage for 2 positions defensively. I imagine that Mike felt he finally had a PG prospect that could do all of the things he wants a PG to do. If he can develop him. So why wouldn't Mike be motivated to work his butt off with this kid?
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6/25/2011  4:43 AM
Shumpert can make shots, it's more a matter of shot selection. I think mike and his staff are HORRIBLE in teaching/correcting shot selection. Mike always said about gallo/will that they would eventually learn what good shots are lol. Either way I like Iman's ability/potential. He reminds me of a rawer poor mans version of R. Westbrook
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6/25/2011  4:47 AM
Well mike can certainly teach anyone how to shoot. He made jj's shot halfway decent before he was shipped to Houston. He helped Chandler develop a reliable shot too. Douglas has also improved/become a little more consistent. If anyone can teach Shumpert the aspects of the pick n roll its mda.
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6/25/2011  1:21 PM
fishmike wrote:obviously this story is a lie. Posters here established a long time ago MDA doesnt like guys who play D.

This guy might have some Raja Bell in him

Lol was just gonna say the same exact thing

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6/25/2011  5:18 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
fishmike wrote:obviously this story is a lie. Posters here established a long time ago MDA doesnt like guys who play D.

This guy might have some Raja Bell in him

Lol was just gonna say the same exact thing


That's the thing that has bugged the heck out of me all these years. Even right now, if this team had a dominant rebounding Big it would totally change how this team is perceived defensively. We STINK on the boards! Just imagine we give up fewer offensive rebounds to the other team. It would totally change this teams success rate. Now we go after a great young perimeter defender and people complain about his shooting? To me NY Fans are full of hypocrites.

All these years they've complained about MDA cuz he didn't fit the DEFENSE 1st NY history. Now the guy is the deciding vote to bring in a kid that is known for his defense and they complain? How many of us complained as we watched Rondo and Allen destroy us? Now we do something about it and people still complain.
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