[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Chad Ford: Knicks tried to get Shumpert to stop working out and other stuff/Felton to Sac for the 7th pick
Author Thread
CrushAlot
Posts: 59764
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/25/2003
Member: #452
USA
6/21/2011  7:09 PM
The phones have been ringing off the hook today with just 48 hours to go before the NBA draft. Here are some more quick hitters on what I'm hearing.

• Would the Kings be willing to send the No. 7 pick to the Nuggets for Raymond Felton and the No. 22 pick? The Kings have had interest in Felton but it's probably going to take them giving up the No. 7 pick to get him. I wouldn't be shocked to see the Nuggets grab Jonas Valanciunas or Bismack Biyombo if they could get up to No. 7.

• The Raptors' hiring of Dwane Casey may affect their draft plans. Casey is a defensive specialist, and when he looks at the Raptors' roster, there isn't much to like on that front. GM Bryan Colangelo has built an offensive juggernaut, but defensively they're pretty terrible. That may explain why the team is zeroing in on three excellent defenders -- Brandon Knight, Biyombo and Kawhi Leonard -- at No. 5. I've had Jan Vesely going here for weeks, and others have been pushing for Kemba Walker here, but it sounds like neither player is atop their board right now.

• I'm hearing that if either Kawhi Leonard or Kemba Walker is on the board at No. 8, the Pistons are likely to take one of them. If both are gone, it's down to Biyombo, Tristan Thompson and Markieff Morris. The Pistons really like Valanciunas as well, but sources claim they aren't willing to wait a year to get him.

• Lots of Knicks fans were shocked when I put Iman Shumpert at No. 17 in the latest mock draft. The Knicks actually tried to shut Shumpert down from more workouts after they saw him, but Shumpert kept working out. While so much of our focus on the Knicks has been on their offensive options -- Klay Thompson, Jimmer Fredette and Marshon Brooks -- it sounds like the voices arguing for size and/or defense may be winning the day. A source inside the Knicks told me this afternoon that it's likely the Knicks will select either Shumpert, Nikola Vucevic or Markieff Morris at No. 17. The team is also intrigued with Brooks, but he seems to be losing some traction.

• Larry Bird shot down a rumor that the Pacers and Timberwolves were discussing a Roy Hibbert for the No. 2 pick trade.

"We're not doing that," Bird said at a press conference today. "I'm not interested in trading Roy. Roy is one of our core group guys."

The Wolves are trying to find a trade partner for the No. 2 pick, but the Pacers' refusal to give up Hibbert for it (and the Wizards' refusal to part ways with JaVale McGee) show just how difficult that task may be. Both Hibbert and McGee were mid-first-round picks.

• Sounds like the Bucks are also very open to moving down a few spots in the draft. Both the Rockets (Nos. 14 and 23) and the Pacers (No. 15 and Brandon Rush) appear to be possibilities.

• To see dozens of NBA rumors, check out NBA Rumor Central Tags:Chad Ford, Draft Reports, 2011 draft

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/30546/latest-draft-buzz-kings-no-7-for-felton

I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
AUTOADVERT
martin
Posts: 76215
Alba Posts: 108
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #2
USA
6/21/2011  7:27 PM
Hey I like where the Knicks' thinking is at. Big, strong, athletic, defensive guy for his position.
Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
Caseloads
Posts: 27725
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/29/2001
Member: #41
6/21/2011  7:28 PM
Markieff?!
Knixkik
Posts: 35448
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #11
USA
6/21/2011  7:49 PM
So now if it's down to those 3, who does everyone prefer, Vucevic, Shumpert, or Morris?
nixluva
Posts: 56258
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/5/2004
Member: #758
USA
6/21/2011  7:51 PM
CrushAlot wrote:• Lots of Knicks fans were shocked when I put Iman Shumpert at No. 17 in the latest mock draft. The Knicks actually tried to shut Shumpert down from more workouts after they saw him, but Shumpert kept working out. While so much of our focus on the Knicks has been on their offensive options -- Klay Thompson, Jimmer Fredette and Marshon Brooks -- it sounds like the voices arguing for size and/or defense may be winning the day. A source inside the Knicks told me this afternoon that it's likely the Knicks will select either Shumpert, Nikola Vucevic or Markieff Morris at No. 17. The team is also intrigued with Brooks, but he seems to be losing some traction.
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/30546/latest-draft-buzz-kings-no-7-for-felton

And some thought we were crazy for suggesting that the Iman Shumpert injury was perhaps an attempt by the Knicks to shut him down cuz they liked him. However, it does sound like the Knicks didn't offer him a promise since he didn't fully shut it down.

My guess is they go with Vucevic and then try to land another pick to take a guard.

AnubisADL
Posts: 27382
Alba Posts: 13
Joined: 6/29/2009
Member: #2771
USA
6/21/2011  7:54 PM
We cannot afford to play 4 on 5 at the defensive end.

Dude reminds me of a smaller Jared Jefferies.

NY Knicks - Retirement home for players and GMs
skeng
Posts: 22090
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 10/27/2009
Member: #2959
Denmark
6/21/2011  8:06 PM
I would like us to go big first - I like what I've seen from Vucevic. And Markieff too I guess. Then a guard that isn't a combo guard, but a natural at either shooting or point guard. But the latter is only possible if we were to acquire one more pick, which I would be very happy with if made possible.
Legalize di NBA
crzymdups
Posts: 52018
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/1/2004
Member: #671
USA
6/21/2011  11:35 PM
i'm a big fan of Vucevic, i'd be ecstatic if Markief Morris fell to us. i don't know as much about Shumpert. seems like a decent pick, but i keep having visions of mardy collins.

i hope darius morris is still in the mix, too.

i hope buying a late first or early second is also in the mix.

¿ △ ?
CrushAlot
Posts: 59764
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/25/2003
Member: #452
USA
6/21/2011  11:38 PM
crzymdups wrote:i'm a big fan of Vucevic, i'd be ecstatic if Markief Morris fell to us. i don't know as much about Shumpert. seems like a decent pick, but i keep having visions of mardy collins.

i hope darius morris is still in the mix, too.

i hope buying a late first or early second is also in the mix.


I wouldn't mind Markief. It is going to be an exciting night. I am glad it appears the Knicks are going big.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
crzymdups
Posts: 52018
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/1/2004
Member: #671
USA
6/21/2011  11:54 PM
hmmm.

Iman Shumpert's agent is Happy Walters. aka Amar'e Stoudemire's agent. and the reason Shawne Williams made the team.

guess we know one reason the knicks like him.

¿ △ ?
nixluva
Posts: 56258
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/5/2004
Member: #758
USA
6/22/2011  3:01 AM
crzymdups wrote:hmmm.

Iman Shumpert's agent is Happy Walters. aka Amar'e Stoudemire's agent. and the reason Shawne Williams made the team.

guess we know one reason the knicks like him.


Hey the kid has the kind of range any team could use. He can run point, SG and defend 1-3. He's got world class athletic ability and lockdown D. What's not to like? My gut tells me that we probably won't get him, but who knows. Hahn was bashing this draft, but to me I love the role players this draft has. You need a shooter there are guys. You need an athletic PG. Defensive specialists. You have to look at this draft in that light. This isn't a franchise player draft.
crzymdups
Posts: 52018
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/1/2004
Member: #671
USA
6/22/2011  6:16 AM
nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:hmmm.

Iman Shumpert's agent is Happy Walters. aka Amar'e Stoudemire's agent. and the reason Shawne Williams made the team.

guess we know one reason the knicks like him.


Hey the kid has the kind of range any team could use. He can run point, SG and defend 1-3. He's got world class athletic ability and lockdown D. What's not to like? My gut tells me that we probably won't get him, but who knows. Hahn was bashing this draft, but to me I love the role players this draft has. You need a shooter there are guys. You need an athletic PG. Defensive specialists. You have to look at this draft in that light. This isn't a franchise player draft.

Shumpert reminds me of Mardy Collins. People made the exact same arguments for Mardy.

¿ △ ?
SupremeCommander
Posts: 34057
Alba Posts: 35
Joined: 4/28/2006
Member: #1127

6/22/2011  6:31 AM
crzymdups wrote:
nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:hmmm.

Iman Shumpert's agent is Happy Walters. aka Amar'e Stoudemire's agent. and the reason Shawne Williams made the team.

guess we know one reason the knicks like him.


Hey the kid has the kind of range any team could use. He can run point, SG and defend 1-3. He's got world class athletic ability and lockdown D. What's not to like? My gut tells me that we probably won't get him, but who knows. Hahn was bashing this draft, but to me I love the role players this draft has. You need a shooter there are guys. You need an athletic PG. Defensive specialists. You have to look at this draft in that light. This isn't a franchise player draft.

Shumpert reminds me of Mardy Collins. People made the exact same arguments for Mardy.

right... it's the Al Davis/Oakland Raiders argument, where the fastest, strongest guys that measures best gets drafted instead of the better player

DLeethal wrote: Lol Rick needs a safe space
joec32033
Posts: 30609
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 2/3/2004
Member: #583
USA
6/22/2011  6:34 AM
I would love Markieff Morris. Kid reminds me of Buck Williams would happily take him and the best guard-either PG or SG-we cant get.
~You can't run from who you are.~
fishmike
Posts: 53828
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
6/22/2011  7:53 AM
crzymdups wrote:
nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:hmmm.

Iman Shumpert's agent is Happy Walters. aka Amar'e Stoudemire's agent. and the reason Shawne Williams made the team.

guess we know one reason the knicks like him.


Hey the kid has the kind of range any team could use. He can run point, SG and defend 1-3. He's got world class athletic ability and lockdown D. What's not to like? My gut tells me that we probably won't get him, but who knows. Hahn was bashing this draft, but to me I love the role players this draft has. You need a shooter there are guys. You need an athletic PG. Defensive specialists. You have to look at this draft in that light. This isn't a franchise player draft.

Shumpert reminds me of Mardy Collins. People made the exact same arguments for Mardy.

no no no

Shumpert might be the best athlete in the draft. The WHOLE draft. Did you see his combine scores? He's got a 6'10 wingspan and one of the highest verticle leaps ever. I would be thrilled with this pick. Think a Igodalla, not Mardy Collins

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
Knixkik
Posts: 35448
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #11
USA
6/22/2011  8:18 AM
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:hmmm.

Iman Shumpert's agent is Happy Walters. aka Amar'e Stoudemire's agent. and the reason Shawne Williams made the team.

guess we know one reason the knicks like him.


Hey the kid has the kind of range any team could use. He can run point, SG and defend 1-3. He's got world class athletic ability and lockdown D. What's not to like? My gut tells me that we probably won't get him, but who knows. Hahn was bashing this draft, but to me I love the role players this draft has. You need a shooter there are guys. You need an athletic PG. Defensive specialists. You have to look at this draft in that light. This isn't a franchise player draft.

Shumpert reminds me of Mardy Collins. People made the exact same arguments for Mardy.

no no no

Shumpert might be the best athlete in the draft. The WHOLE draft. Did you see his combine scores? He's got a 6'10 wingspan and one of the highest verticle leaps ever. I would be thrilled with this pick. Think a Igodalla, not Mardy Collins

Never thought of it but Igoudala is a great comparison. Seems like he would be a strong SG who can run the point from the wing like Iggy does, and defend any position. Also his athletic ability is unmatched. I would have no problem picking him up. If he shot the ball better in the college he would be a top-10 pick. That is my major concern, but i keep hearing he is a better shooter than his stats suggest.

SupremeCommander
Posts: 34057
Alba Posts: 35
Joined: 4/28/2006
Member: #1127

6/22/2011  8:24 AM
Knixkik wrote:
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:hmmm.

Iman Shumpert's agent is Happy Walters. aka Amar'e Stoudemire's agent. and the reason Shawne Williams made the team.

guess we know one reason the knicks like him.


Hey the kid has the kind of range any team could use. He can run point, SG and defend 1-3. He's got world class athletic ability and lockdown D. What's not to like? My gut tells me that we probably won't get him, but who knows. Hahn was bashing this draft, but to me I love the role players this draft has. You need a shooter there are guys. You need an athletic PG. Defensive specialists. You have to look at this draft in that light. This isn't a franchise player draft.

Shumpert reminds me of Mardy Collins. People made the exact same arguments for Mardy.

no no no

Shumpert might be the best athlete in the draft. The WHOLE draft. Did you see his combine scores? He's got a 6'10 wingspan and one of the highest verticle leaps ever. I would be thrilled with this pick. Think a Igodalla, not Mardy Collins

Never thought of it but Igoudala is a great comparison. Seems like he would be a strong SG who can run the point from the wing like Iggy does, and defend any position. Also his athletic ability is unmatched. I would have no problem picking him up. If he shot the ball better in the college he would be a top-10 pick. That is my major concern, but i keep hearing he is a better shooter than his stats suggest.

maybe regarding athleticism, but definitely not with basketball IQ. Dude jacked up 5 threes a game despite shooting under 30 percent. I'm sure he'll look great in Pringles' rotation... if the Knicks draft him I'm willing to bet he rides pine by March and April

DLeethal wrote: Lol Rick needs a safe space
fishmike
Posts: 53828
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
6/22/2011  8:44 AM
Knixkik wrote:
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:hmmm.

Iman Shumpert's agent is Happy Walters. aka Amar'e Stoudemire's agent. and the reason Shawne Williams made the team.

guess we know one reason the knicks like him.


Hey the kid has the kind of range any team could use. He can run point, SG and defend 1-3. He's got world class athletic ability and lockdown D. What's not to like? My gut tells me that we probably won't get him, but who knows. Hahn was bashing this draft, but to me I love the role players this draft has. You need a shooter there are guys. You need an athletic PG. Defensive specialists. You have to look at this draft in that light. This isn't a franchise player draft.

Shumpert reminds me of Mardy Collins. People made the exact same arguments for Mardy.

no no no

Shumpert might be the best athlete in the draft. The WHOLE draft. Did you see his combine scores? He's got a 6'10 wingspan and one of the highest verticle leaps ever. I would be thrilled with this pick. Think a Igodalla, not Mardy Collins

Never thought of it but Igoudala is a great comparison. Seems like he would be a strong SG who can run the point from the wing like Iggy does, and defend any position. Also his athletic ability is unmatched. I would have no problem picking him up. If he shot the ball better in the college he would be a top-10 pick. That is my major concern, but i keep hearing he is a better shooter than his stats suggest.

If the Knicks want to compete (not win, just be a legit contender) for a title here is what I see them needing: (in no paticular order, I see them all as equally key)
1) MElo and Amare to stay healthy
2)long term elite wing defender: Bruce Bowen type who goes out and locks down (or makes life hard) on opposing team's best wing
3)long term bigman. Doesnt have to be Dwight Howard, but a legit center sized guy who be a position defender and score some in the paint
4)a floor general

We arent getting all those needs in the draft. Hopefully when we firesale Billups expiring deal we get good value (probably depend on CBA).

That being Shumpert (I think Singleton will be gone) certainly fits #2. Vujecic(SP?) Fits #3. Either would be good pieces to add.

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
fishmike
Posts: 53828
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
6/22/2011  8:51 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:hmmm.

Iman Shumpert's agent is Happy Walters. aka Amar'e Stoudemire's agent. and the reason Shawne Williams made the team.

guess we know one reason the knicks like him.


Hey the kid has the kind of range any team could use. He can run point, SG and defend 1-3. He's got world class athletic ability and lockdown D. What's not to like? My gut tells me that we probably won't get him, but who knows. Hahn was bashing this draft, but to me I love the role players this draft has. You need a shooter there are guys. You need an athletic PG. Defensive specialists. You have to look at this draft in that light. This isn't a franchise player draft.

Shumpert reminds me of Mardy Collins. People made the exact same arguments for Mardy.

no no no

Shumpert might be the best athlete in the draft. The WHOLE draft. Did you see his combine scores? He's got a 6'10 wingspan and one of the highest verticle leaps ever. I would be thrilled with this pick. Think a Igodalla, not Mardy Collins

Never thought of it but Igoudala is a great comparison. Seems like he would be a strong SG who can run the point from the wing like Iggy does, and defend any position. Also his athletic ability is unmatched. I would have no problem picking him up. If he shot the ball better in the college he would be a top-10 pick. That is my major concern, but i keep hearing he is a better shooter than his stats suggest.

maybe regarding athleticism, but definitely not with basketball IQ. Dude jacked up 5 threes a game despite shooting under 30 percent. I'm sure he'll look great in Pringles' rotation... if the Knicks draft him I'm willing to bet he rides pine by March and April

why do you say that? His BB IQ is quite good, its his offensive repertoire that is weak, but he's 20. He's also regarded as a very smart kid and hard worker. You can teach offensive moves. You cant teach a 6'10 wingspan and 42 inch vert
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
Paladin55
Posts: 24321
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/6/2008
Member: #2098

6/22/2011  9:02 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/22/2011  9:05 AM
Are we taking the guy as a PG or SG. I am far from an expert on Shumpert's game, but from what I saw in terms of clips, he seems like more of a 2 than a 1.

This is from DX, and it makes me put a red flag on him:

Though Shumpert has certainly played quite a bit of point guard throughout his career at Georgia Tech, he's spent more time off the ball recently. In his first two years in Atlanta, he struggled with his shot selection, liked to dominate the ball, and proved fairly turnover prone looking to set the table for others. Now forced to score out of necessity as a junior, Shumpert's passing numbers have declined, but he's turning the ball over far less, getting to the line quite a bit more, and has gotten more and more efficient as the season has gone on, even if his sub 40% shooting remains disconcerting.

As is always the case, we really have to depend on our draft team to look at the guy and reach conclusion. He also worked out with Jenkins, a nice player who you would think was a good match-up in terms of seeing what he can and can't do.

His athletic specs are pretty amazing though, and I have to think that if teams think his BB IQ and skill levels are good, he should be a top ten pick given the package.

No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities- C.N. Bovee
Chad Ford: Knicks tried to get Shumpert to stop working out and other stuff/Felton to Sac for the 7th pick

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy