I got no problem with Melo, but the price we paid. We got t-ed up to over pay by the Russian and Little Jimmy's impulse fear of not having "stars".

Bottom line is the man who bought back dignity to the franchise and put the stamp of approval on Marbury Exile and Eddy's non involvement is going.

Now some are wishing that a new coach with a balanced past of being more defensive inclined will bring excitement!

MDA is not going anywhere. He is doing his job.

When we have a worthy roster in place balanced with depth and size then can we call out the weakness'.

Don't fear the lack of MDA not having a defensive coach when we don't have the roster to execute.

Don't fear MDA being hard headed.

Don't fear the reaper.

Fear the Starphuch. It happend when we got mello. Damn good player but we overpaid.

And the man responsible for doing a good job cutting salary, gave us a shot for Lebron and Bosh, stole a Russian, and bought back Knick ball is gone and the little Starphuch King is back in charge.

Donnie was sacrificed for our sins!

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Bonn1997 wrote:I hate to be a party-pooper but liking the Amare signing is also an endorsement of starphucking. Amare's an excellent player but for a guy with likely only a few seasons left at the peak of his career, he didn't belong on a 29 win rebuilding team. It would have been in everyone's interests (except his financial interests) for him to go to a title contender and us to rebuild long-term. Over a three year window (2010 to 2012) there were only five free agents that a rebuilding team should give max dollars to: Lebron, Wade, Paul, Williams, and Howard.

Not that disagree with you, but 3 of the 5 guys you mentioned were not available last summer. And the other 2 conspired to be somewhere else. The knicks were not going to sit on their hands and let a star player go to another team just so they can try to get another star after a new CBA was negotiated.

nyvector16 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I hate to be a party-pooper but liking the Amare signing is also an endorsement of starphucking. Amare's an excellent player but for a guy with likely only a few seasons left at the peak of his career, he didn't belong on a 29 win rebuilding team. It would have been in everyone's interests (except his financial interests) for him to go to a title contender and us to rebuild long-term. Over a three year window (2010 to 2012) there were only five free agents that a rebuilding team should give max dollars to: Lebron, Wade, Paul, Williams, and Howard.

Not that disagree with you, but 3 of the 5 guys you mentioned were not available last summer. And the other 2 conspired to be somewhere else. The knicks were not going to sit on their hands and let a star player go to another team just so they can try to get another star after a new CBA was negotiated.

I don't hate Dolan. I think he's too involved at times, but it's his team! I also think he's more than willing to spend and try to put a winning team on the court. He went along with the game plan for 2 years and then he got that itch and showed just how badly he wanted Melo. He wasn't willing to accept no for an answer. It's his team so he's not going to relinquish full control. This team could still win even with his interference. He's not the perfect owner, but he's not the worst either. The perfect owner is a guy with deep pockets that knows how to pick men to run his team and let them do their job. A good owner at least spends to make sure the team has every chance to get what it needs to win. Dolan does that, but his judgment regarding his employees is where he falls flat.

Nalod wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I hate to be a party-pooper but liking the Amare signing is also an endorsement of starphucking. Amare's an excellent player but for a guy with likely only a few seasons left at the peak of his career, he didn't belong on a 29 win rebuilding team. It would have been in everyone's interests (except his financial interests) for him to go to a title contender and us to rebuild long-term. Over a three year window (2010 to 2012) there were only five free agents that a rebuilding team should give max dollars to: Lebron, Wade, Paul, Williams, and Howard.

Its the trade vs. free agent.

The assumption is building a "title contender". Thats not whats happening here.

This is why I fully endorse MDA as our coach. We can at least enjoy some exciting games and the famous celebs in our new crib than waiting thru a rebuild process and the subject to anxiety over a future uncertain, losing games, and fans calling for the every coaches head. In NY you have to starphuch people into believing we have a chance. Those calling for MDA's head actually believe the team can contend if we tighten the D. We are at least 2 years away for even having a roster to even consider such "contending"

The Russian played this one cool. He was either gonna get Melo at his price for make Knicks over pay.

The Nets are very incomplete and I don't have any idea how that team will unfold but Dolan has shown his ignorance is far greater than his willingness to spend money.

He'll put a good product on the floor. we'll make the playoffs, it will be fun. Maybe make a run if the moon and sun collide but "building a contender" is not what knicks are doing.

Hate to say it, but Nets will win a title before the knicks. Knicks will be financially more successful.

What defines "winning"?

Depends on who is asking the question.

Nalod wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I thought you were over the trade.

I was, but Donnie evidently was not.

I think he was over what the trade netted in loses and gains, but not what the trade meant to his job. He was basically told that he would never have the last word from a guy who knows jack about hoops and takes all his cues from Zeke who actually knows a TON about hoops WHEN HE'S ON THE FLOOR PLAYING (but seemingly not much more than Jimmy Dolan when it comes to managing/building a team). I can't blame Walsh for leaving, and while I appreciate that he's taking the high road and staying classy, I wish he's call out Dolan and the CAA.

Nalod wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I hate to be a party-pooper but liking the Amare signing is also an endorsement of starphucking. Amare's an excellent player but for a guy with likely only a few seasons left at the peak of his career, he didn't belong on a 29 win rebuilding team. It would have been in everyone's interests (except his financial interests) for him to go to a title contender and us to rebuild long-term. Over a three year window (2010 to 2012) there were only five free agents that a rebuilding team should give max dollars to: Lebron, Wade, Paul, Williams, and Howard.

Its the trade vs. free agent.

The assumption is building a "title contender". Thats not whats happening here.

This is why I fully endorse MDA as our coach. We can at least enjoy some exciting games and the famous celebs in our new crib than waiting thru a rebuild process and the subject to anxiety over a future uncertain, losing games, and fans calling for the every coaches head. In NY you have to starphuch people into believing we have a chance. Those calling for MDA's head actually believe the team can contend if we tighten the D. We are at least 2 years away for even having a roster to even consider such "contending"

The Russian played this one cool. He was either gonna get Melo at his price for make Knicks over pay.

The Nets are very incomplete and I don't have any idea how that team will unfold but Dolan has shown his ignorance is far greater than his willingness to spend money.

He'll put a good product on the floor. we'll make the playoffs, it will be fun. Maybe make a run if the moon and sun collide but "building a contender" is not what knicks are doing.

Hate to say it, but Nets will win a title before the knicks. Knicks will be financially more successful.

What defines "winning"?

Depends on who is asking the question.

2010 is unique because all the young elite players in the league kind of went to free agency in this 3-year period from 2010-2012, and that hasn't really happened before.

New Jersey had more assets and had an agreement in place to trade for Carmelo Anthony, but he didn't sign there because there was no one else for him to play with. The Nets have gotten shut out every time they've tried to make a long-term superstar acquisition, and only ended up with Williams because they didn't make him sign an extension. They're team is unappealing because most of the elite guys want to play with other elite guys and they didn't have any.

Now their whole plan basically comes down to them getting Dwight Howard in free agency or in a trade because he's the only elite guy left, otherwise you'll probably see Williams bolt and New Jersey end up with nothing.

Knixkik wrote:The hate for the trade and current roster still baffles me. Yes we gave up a lot but we would have had to pay those players a lot of money to retain them. They were non stars. You don't pay non stars before you get stars. Now we are only paying stars and flexibility is still there. It was the right move. Starphucking is what it is. What is the alternative? Hope and pray to develop a team almost as good as what we have now? Losing out on melo would have been dumb.

nixluva wrote:

Juice wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I hate to be a party-pooper but liking the Amare signing is also an endorsement of starphucking. Amare's an excellent player but for a guy with likely only a few seasons left at the peak of his career, he didn't belong on a 29 win rebuilding team. It would have been in everyone's interests (except his financial interests) for him to go to a title contender and us to rebuild long-term. Over a three year window (2010 to 2012) there were only five free agents that a rebuilding team should give max dollars to: Lebron, Wade, Paul, Williams, and Howard.

Hated both acquisitions with a passion. Amar'e has made attempts to lead and fight to change the course which I can respect at this point. Melo completely biched his way here, totally unacceptable IMO. The sad part of it all....... we caved and gave up so much to get these guys when as you said they really aren't worth it monetarily.

Tell me how we could really have done much better than we did? Who is it we could've gotten that was as good as STAT? How could we possibly acquire a player better than Melo? They may not be perfect, but there are very few players on this planet that are better than those two players! Most of the players that are better are securely signed by the teams they're on. We tried to get Lebron, but it didn't happen. That's the only shot we had to get a player better than the 2 guys we have. The only other option that appears to have been there was Deron, but it's hard to argue that he's truly better than the guys we have. He may even be a problem if you take into account how he impacted Utah. In any event we did about as well as could be expected and yes we overpaid, but that's the price Dolan was willing to pay in order to make sure he got the guy he wanted. Dolan wasn't willing to take a chance, so he removed all doubt.

I will add this. STAT and Melo may not be worth the big dollars they got, but i'll bet that they give this team the best shot to win we've had in a decade. That's about all we can ask for at this point. It's amazing how far we've come. I still can't believe we have 2 guys that are as good as STAT and Melo on our team. These guys are two players with the most street cred we've ever had. STAT and Melo can ball at a high level. We saw a glimpse of that. Imagine if we can keep STAT rested this coming season and go into the playoffs with both of those guys ready to rock? That's a possibility if we can bring in a real C to keep him fresh. How you can't appreciate just how much better we are today is beyond me. What we saw from these guys this year is nothing compared to what they can be going forward. You ain't seen nothin yet.

Papabear Says

I couldn't have said it better myself.