I hope Donnie Texts him and MDA at the same time.

Get Phil what ever he wants. A big chair, throne, what ever you call it.

Full circle. Finish the career coaching in the three biggest markets.

A lot has been written about him. Compared to Red Auerback its a different era.

All winning coaches have great players. Maybe harder to do it in the Free agent era?

I don't know. He never had to worry about Bill Russell being a free agent. Red did it in a racist America.

I don't know who is better.

Being a fan of the Red Holzman era I watched him play as a kid and lamented we let him get away when he proved great in Chicago.

Jerry Krause did good by giving him his first coaching job.

Jax arrogance is well deserved and he pulls it off.

Hated losing to his bulls but they were worthy of kicking the Ewing Knicks' ass.

Enjoy retirement Phil, or come home if you feel good in a year. Dolan will pay you! Just tell him what you need to win.

nixluva wrote:Does Kobe, Shaq and Jordan come along with Jax? Otherwise i'm not really interested. I know he's a good coach, but really I can't ignore the overwhelming talent level the guy has had either. No coach wins as much as he did without great talent and he's had great talent. Is Carlisle a better coach than Phil now cuz he beat him? Or did he finally have the kind of talent to be more competitive? The Mavs are deep and fresh as opposed to the Lakers who have gone to 3 straight finals. Eventually you run out of horse and that could be what happened with the Lakers.

The Lakers didn't look too tough defensively to me. Phil as is his want to do, just sat there and watched the team get beat by jumper after jumper. Why should I believe that he's gonna whip this team into shape when he couldn't get his super talented team to defend? This argument falls both ways.

Lets do this one more time: Name aa team that won multiple championships withou great players?

Dude coached 20 years, has 11 rings in 13 trips to finals.

He has a life time winning % in 20 years of 704.

Auerbach has a winning % of .665 also in 20 years of coaching.

Red Retired from coahing at age 48.

Phil started at age 44.

Red has 9 rings. Phil has 11 as coach.

Both only one "Coach of the year" award once.

I guess if your winning your not worthy of the award?

If he comes to NY he's not winning unless we can improve the talent, which is the same deal with any other coach. Doc needed great talent to win and Spoelstra clearly needed great talent to get where he is now. We don't yet have a great team. I'm not worrying about the coach until this team is built to win a title. Right now we have too many holes. It's not like Jax would've won a title with this team this year.

nixluva wrote:Does Kobe, Shaq and Jordan come along with Jax? Otherwise i'm not really interested. I know he's a good coach, but really I can't ignore the overwhelming talent level the guy has had either. No coach wins as much as he did without great talent and he's had great talent. Is Carlisle a better coach than Phil now cuz he beat him? Or did he finally have the kind of talent to be more competitive? The Mavs are deep and fresh as opposed to the Lakers who have gone to 3 straight finals. Eventually you run out of horse and that could be what happened with the Lakers.

The Lakers didn't look too tough defensively to me. Phil as is his want to do, just sat there and watched the team get beat by jumper after jumper. Why should I believe that he's gonna whip this team into shape when he couldn't get his super talented team to defend? This argument falls both ways.

LOL dan d'antoni strikes!

nixluva wrote:IF we all agree that Jax has basically won with some of the greatest players to ever play, then how much of that winning was due to him verses the players? Could another coach with the same talent have done nearly as well? You think Riley, Sloan, Adelman, Larry Brown etc. wouldn't win with the same talent Jax had? I'm sure that Jax is probably one of the best at handling top tier talent, but i'm not giving him all the credit when he's had dominant talent on his teams.

If he comes to NY he's not winning unless we can improve the talent, which is the same deal with any other coach. Doc needed great talent to win and Spoelstra clearly needed great talent to get where he is now. We don't yet have a great team. I'm not worrying about the coach until this team is built to win a title. Right now we have too many holes. It's not like Jax would've won a title with this team this year.

Not sure if you were responding to my post or someing else, but here goes:

We will never know one way or another whether he could have done it without a great supporting cast around his start players. How much of it was his coaching versus the supporing cast just being very good. No one is a lock to succeed in any thing but his reoord is the best there is and you make hiring decisions based on that. You know I argue against firing MDA in favor of some wannabe head coach like Mark Jackson etc, but if the coach with the best record in the game is available you have to go after him. This is a business and the same goes for players etc. As much as I think MDA is good coach he isn't the level of Sloan or Pop and those are the ONLY two coaches I would take over PJAX.

nixluva wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

nixluva wrote:IF we all agree that Jax has basically won with some of the greatest players to ever play, then how much of that winning was due to him verses the players? Could another coach with the same talent have done nearly as well? You think Riley, Sloan, Adelman, Larry Brown etc. wouldn't win with the same talent Jax had? I'm sure that Jax is probably one of the best at handling top tier talent, but i'm not giving him all the credit when he's had dominant talent on his teams.

If he comes to NY he's not winning unless we can improve the talent, which is the same deal with any other coach. Doc needed great talent to win and Spoelstra clearly needed great talent to get where he is now. We don't yet have a great team. I'm not worrying about the coach until this team is built to win a title. Right now we have too many holes. It's not like Jax would've won a title with this team this year.

Not sure if you were responding to my post or someing else, but here goes:

We will never know one way or another whether he could have done it without a great supporting cast around his start players. How much of it was his coaching versus the supporing cast just being very good. No one is a lock to succeed in any thing but his reoord is the best there is and you make hiring decisions based on that. You know I argue against firing MDA in favor of some wannabe head coach like Mark Jackson etc, but if the coach with the best record in the game is available you have to go after him. This is a business and the same goes for players etc. As much as I think MDA is good coach he isn't the level of Sloan or Pop and those are the ONLY two coaches I would take over PJAX.

I understand the position Jax holds as a coach, but from my POV he won't mean the difference between us winning a title unless we can put a team together that is capable of winning a title 1st. It's not like he won a title without Jordan/Pippen or Kobe/Shaq or Kobe/Gasol/Odom. Those are some serious tandems to go to war with, not to mention the rest of the team of role players were there to fill in where needed. Will he find that on the Knicks? In fact if he had the Knicks last year instead how much of a difference would it make? 5 games at most? Would we still have been able to overcome the injuries in the playoffs? We'd still be a smallish team with no rebounding.

I'm not saying we shouldn't hire Jax, just saying that unless we can improve the roster it won't matter who coaches the team.

its not like MJ/pippen, kobe/shaq, or kobe/gasol/odom won without phil. fact or fiction?

Adelman had some really really good teams in Portland. Never got it done.

Adelman had some really really good teams in Sacremento. Never got it done.

Sloan had HOF tandem but never got it done.

Once could say they underachieved.

Doc Rivers is over rated.

POp is under rated.

Phil like any coach would need a more complete roster than what we currently have. MDA does too!

Great teams have great players, or do great players make great teams?

Portland, Sacramento and Utah all had great players but were not crowned as great teams.

Its in the books. Nalod don't make history, just showing it.

fishmike wrote:I love it. I hope he comes. This way when Melo and Amare dont defend and when Jax runs high caliber bigs to the end of the bench like Sheldon Williams and Darko people here will finally realize the problem is with the flawed players. Actually... no they wont

That is right - we'll say that Jackson is too old and doesn't have it in him anymore - and seriously, that is why I would not want him here.

He's got zero motivation to come here- I seriously doubt he even looks to coach again.

It might be nice to have him on board in the front office in some capacity, but I don't see him being effective on the bench.

Edit- though I could see him taking a shot down in Miami, assuming they melt sometime in the play offs and don't get it down- not sure how Riley and Jackson view each other, but I could see Phil taking that opportunity.

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:I love it. I hope he comes. This way when Melo and Amare dont defend and when Jax runs high caliber bigs to the end of the bench like Sheldon Williams and Darko people here will finally realize the problem is with the flawed players. Actually... no they wont

That is right - we'll say that Jackson is too old and doesn't have it in him anymore - and seriously, that is why I would not want him here.

He's got zero motivation to come here- I seriously doubt he even looks to coach again.

It might be nice to have him on board in the front office in some capacity, but I don't see him being effective on the bench.

Edit- though I could see him taking a shot down in Miami, assuming they melt sometime in the play offs and don't get it down- not sure how Riley and Jackson view each other, but I could see Phil taking that opportunity.

We got Larry after winning titles and what a joke that was.
We had Wilkins with more wins than anyone but the game passed him by
We have MDA but his system is gimmicky and he doesnt care about defense and just 3s.

Phil Jackson will be old and unmotivated
Doc Rivers will just be looking for a nice payday
bla bla bla

its always going to be about excuses for Knick fans.