martin wrote:MSG3 wrote:martin wrote:Moonangie wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:martin wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:You don't throw away seasons when your best players are in their prime.
Paul is better than our best players.
Probably, but he's not getting any younger either.
it's not like Knicks competing for a Championship next year. You always plan and build accordingly.
Miami "wasted" 2 years of Wade to get LeBron and Bosh. I say it payed off.
Nobody we have is as good as LeBron James and Dywane Wade so I don't see the comparison.
We have to build an actual team, not hope we get lucky. We have guys to build around, even if they have their own flaws. It's time we do our best to get the right players to surround them with.
Word. Time to build a contender and stop starphucking around.
Childs2Dudley, Moonangie who are you signing to a long-term offer this offseason that would lead you to believe would be a better long term prospect than planning for some free agents in summer 2012?
I think I would try my hardest to use Billups to pry Nash away from Phoenix this summer in the event we don't think we can swing a deal for Paul. I know Nash and STAT are subpar defenders, but Melo can be a good defender. If we can build the rest of the team around them with strong defenders and some spot up shooters we'd be solidified as a contender. Waiting for Paul until 2012 takes another year of STAT/Melo's prime.
but your underlying premise there is that the Knicks would be trading for the last piece that would make them Championship contenders, and they are not, even with Nash. And to get Nash for Billups, you have to give PHO something.... and for 1 year of a 38 year old? Not worth it IMHO.
To say that the Knicks are "wasting" a year of Melo and Amare is short-sighted; the Knicks are building, and planning is part of that, and that's all that is being done with the likes of CP3 and Deron.
That's what Riley did with Bosh, LeBron; it's what the Lakers did with Shaq; it's what Donnie did for Amare; and to some extent, it's what Boston did for KG, Ray. Doesn't mean you sit tight and do nothing more than pray - you plan. That's what executives in any type of business do.
i agree with martin. it would not be a good deal. billups and nash both bring different things to the table, but to say nash is clear cut better than billups at this stage is a stretch -- he's got a TON of mileage on his legs/creaky back, and is an awful defender. moreover he is a FA in a year -- the knicks could just sign him outright and not give up whatever phoenix would want in return.
the knicks are simply not ONE piece away from championship level basketball. we were the 3rd worst rebounding team in the ENTIRE NBA last year -- how does nash fix that? how does nash fix the absolute cluelessness on D that the knicks exhibited as a team? how does nash protect the paint?
the knicks need a center, a point guard, and a bench. they don't need just steve nash.
also, the knicks aren't necessarily "wasting" a year with STAT&MELO that's how teams grow. its a year of those two plus presumably the other pieces (fields? douglas? williams? the first rounder? billups? etc) to get chemistry and learn how to play with each other.
