"The experience of going to New York and practicing with Team USA was something of a dream for Leuer. Playing against some of the NBA‘s best has only improved his confidence and also showed what he needs to do to become an even better player. “I got to guard Lamar Odom, Kevin Durant pretty much everyday, going up against these guys was a great experience and I feel I’m a better player for it,” said Leuer. While helping to prepare Team USA for the FIBA World Championships, Leuer started to understand what coaches Kryzyewski and Colangelo are doing for the direction of USA basketball."

“Guys are stronger and more athletic and they also do the little things still. Guys were diving on the floor for loose balls and that kind of stuff. I need to step up but I feel it’s something i can do,” exclaimed Leuer."

(nbadraft.net)

Strengths: ... At 6'10, Leuer presents matchup problems with his combination of size, outside stroke, and the ability to put the ball on the floor ... He possesses excellent footwork in the post, using an array of post moves that make him unpredictable with his back to the basket ... He shows nice touch in the post, and looks comfortable turning and shooting in any direction ... He has range up to 21 feet out, shooting 39% from downtown at the college level ... His handle is better than average for a college forward/center, and he uses it to create open looks for himself in the post and on the perimeter ... Has shown he's aware of what's available around him in terms of passing out of the post ... Offensively he's very efficient, shooting 52% from the floor while only turning it over once a game ... Defensively Leuer has a high IQ, where he seems to position himself efficiently, illustrated by his (low) 2.1 fouls per game ...

Weaknesses: A finesse guy, Leuer lacks in the strength and explosiveness department, which is troublesome when considering the power he would have to go up against at the next level ... He lacks the ability to body up and keep his ground, which will be an issue on the post offensively, and guarding the post defensively ... (that can be fixed) His lack of strength also hurts him under the boards, where he gathers in a mediocre 5.8 rebounds per game ... Not laterally quick enough to keep up with perimeter and stretch 4s, and not ... strong enough to guard stronger and taller centers at the next level ...

... Jon Leuer, 6'10 from Wisconsin

misterearl wrote:... and selects a player who will be immediately introduced to the weight room.

"The experience of going to New York and practicing with Team USA was something of a dream for Leuer. Playing against some of the NBA‘s best has only improved his confidence and also showed what he needs to do to become an even better player. “I got to guard Lamar Odom, Kevin Durant pretty much everyday, going up against these guys was a great experience and I feel I’m a better player for it,” said Leuer. While helping to prepare Team USA for the FIBA World Championships, Leuer started to understand what coaches Kryzyewski and Colangelo are doing for the direction of USA basketball."

“Guys are stronger and more athletic and they also do the little things still. Guys were diving on the floor for loose balls and that kind of stuff. I need to step up but I feel it’s something i can do,” exclaimed Leuer."

(nbadraft.net)

Strengths: ... At 6'10, Leuer presents matchup problems with his combination of size, outside stroke, and the ability to put the ball on the floor ... He possesses excellent footwork in the post, using an array of post moves that make him unpredictable with his back to the basket ... He shows nice touch in the post, and looks comfortable turning and shooting in any direction ... He has range up to 21 feet out, shooting 39% from downtown at the college level ... His handle is better than average for a college forward/center, and he uses it to create open looks for himself in the post and on the perimeter ... Has shown he's aware of what's available around him in terms of passing out of the post ... Offensively he's very efficient, shooting 52% from the floor while only turning it over once a game ... Defensively Leuer has a high IQ, where he seems to position himself efficiently, illustrated by his (low) 2.1 fouls per game ...

Weaknesses: A finesse guy, Leuer lacks in the strength and explosiveness department, which is troublesome when considering the power he would have to go up against at the next level ... He lacks the ability to body up and keep his ground, which will be an issue on the post offensively, and guarding the post defensively ... (that can be fixed) His lack of strength also hurts him under the boards, where he gathers in a mediocre 5.8 rebounds per game ... Not laterally quick enough to keep up with perimeter and stretch 4s, and not ... strong enough to guard stronger and taller centers at the next level ...

... Jon Leuer, 6'10 from Wisconsin

Sounds like the second coming of Anthony Randolph. We need a Center who will NOT ge pushed around in thepaint and collect rebounds with machinelike efficiency.

I'm fine w/ Donnie drafting someone to play behind a "real" starting center. Man I wish he could somehow snag Dalembert and Reggie Evans, but I can't see how this could happen.

CrushAlot wrote:I am hoping the Knicks go with Faried. Even though he isn't projected to go when they pick his strengths are the Knicks weaknesses. If he gets on the court I think he would have a big impact.

With all due respect, Faried is not what the Knicks need. He is also too small to have an impact as a standout NBA frontcourt.

"Weaknesses: Undersized both in height (6'8) and weight (225 lbs) to play the 4 position at the NBA level"

- nbadraft.net

The Knicks do not need another forward. We need a center.

BigSm00th wrote:sign sean williams.

http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/sean_williams/index.html

he's a complete knucklehead but he knows this is his last shot in the League. i don't think he's stupid enough to throw it all away.

gary neal undrafted rookie just hit the game-tying shot for the spurs. there are guys out there that won't be first round picks that will be rotation players on playoff teams.

donnie, find them.

I saw Sean play for a 10 minute span in a Dleague game a couple months back... dude was oozing knucklehead even there. No chance he plays in the NBA.

misterearl wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I am hoping the Knicks go with Faried. Even though he isn't projected to go when they pick his strengths are the Knicks weaknesses. If he gets on the court I think he would have a big impact.

With all due respect, Faried is not what the Knicks need. He is also too small to have an impact as a standout NBA frontcourt.

"Weaknesses: Undersized both in height (6'8) and weight (225 lbs) to play the 4 position at the NBA level"

- nbadraft.net

The Knicks do not need another forward. We need a center.

Really? If you were to give Jared Jeffries' minutes to Faried that wouldn't be an immediate improvement? Honestly, I don't see how we get a starting caliber center when we're picking this late in a pretty lousy draft.

VCoug wrote:

misterearl wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I am hoping the Knicks go with Faried. Even though he isn't projected to go when they pick his strengths are the Knicks weaknesses. If he gets on the court I think he would have a big impact.

With all due respect, Faried is not what the Knicks need. He is also too small to have an impact as a standout NBA frontcourt.

"Weaknesses: Undersized both in height (6'8) and weight (225 lbs) to play the 4 position at the NBA level"

- nbadraft.net

The Knicks do not need another forward. We need a center.

Really? If you were to give Jared Jeffries' minutes to Faried that wouldn't be an immediate improvement? Honestly, I don't see how we get a starting caliber center when we're picking this late in a pretty lousy draft.

I'm with you and Blly Donovan. I think the other side of the argument simply has not seen him play. I've been all about darfting Faried because he will immediately help the Knicks REBOUND. He has been compared ffavorably to Dennis Rodman by Rodman himself.

This team drafting for "need" would be utterly insane. They need help accross the board. Draft the best player available. Faried will likely be the BPA at 17. As I've explained before, he will slide because he played at Morehead State. And he played at Morehead because he misdiagnosed with asthma when he really had his nasal packages shut off, which wwas fixed with surgery.

The last guy that was smaller but ripped, a good rebounder and defender, and went to a smaller school was Ben Wallace. I'm sorry, but guys who are excellent at something come into the NBA and make a career for themselves. While I'm not suggesting he'll be DPOY of a HOF, he is the most excellent rebounder in the country and premiere defender. The Knicks need that.

Maybe he doesn't weigh or measure well. But I'll tell you what. He's not some unathletic finesse big.

misterearl wrote:loweyecue - none of the 6'10 plussers in the middle of the draft are a finished product. When evaluating skill sets, look for the flaws which can be corrected. Strength can be gained through extra intake and a frequent trips to the weight room. The bad news is that Leuer is 225 pounds. The good news is that he has a polished offensive game... with range.

Add 15 pounds of muscle and voila... a tall yoot with a ball handling ability.

You cannot teach height

Rebounding is not all about size and muscle. See Kevin Love for a prime example (Dennis Rodman had muscle but he was undersized as well). Some people are just flat out better at it than others.

We have enough scorers on the team, I'd prefer tough nosed rebounders who are very good outlet passers. I'd prefer a chuck hayes 6'6" type over this guy actually.

misterearl wrote:... and selects a player who will be immediately introduced to the weight room.

"The experience of going to New York and practicing with Team USA was something of a dream for Leuer. Playing against some of the NBA‘s best has only improved his confidence and also showed what he needs to do to become an even better player. “I got to guard Lamar Odom, Kevin Durant pretty much everyday, going up against these guys was a great experience and I feel I’m a better player for it,” said Leuer. While helping to prepare Team USA for the FIBA World Championships, Leuer started to understand what coaches Kryzyewski and Colangelo are doing for the direction of USA basketball."

“Guys are stronger and more athletic and they also do the little things still. Guys were diving on the floor for loose balls and that kind of stuff. I need to step up but I feel it’s something i can do,” exclaimed Leuer."

(nbadraft.net)

Strengths: ... At 6'10, Leuer presents matchup problems with his combination of size, outside stroke, and the ability to put the ball on the floor ... He possesses excellent footwork in the post, using an array of post moves that make him unpredictable with his back to the basket ... He shows nice touch in the post, and looks comfortable turning and shooting in any direction ... He has range up to 21 feet out, shooting 39% from downtown at the college level ... His handle is better than average for a college forward/center, and he uses it to create open looks for himself in the post and on the perimeter ... Has shown he's aware of what's available around him in terms of passing out of the post ... Offensively he's very efficient, shooting 52% from the floor while only turning it over once a game ... Defensively Leuer has a high IQ, where he seems to position himself efficiently, illustrated by his (low) 2.1 fouls per game ...

Weaknesses: A finesse guy, Leuer lacks in the strength and explosiveness department, which is troublesome when considering the power he would have to go up against at the next level ... He lacks the ability to body up and keep his ground, which will be an issue on the post offensively, and guarding the post defensively ... (that can be fixed) His lack of strength also hurts him under the boards, where he gathers in a mediocre 5.8 rebounds per game ... Not laterally quick enough to keep up with perimeter and stretch 4s, and not ... strong enough to guard stronger and taller centers at the next level ...

... Jon Leuer, 6'10 from Wisconsin

5.8 rebounds...that's never going to turn into 11 rebounds pg anytime soon..most cases never..
No thanks

knickstorrents wrote:

misterearl wrote:loweyecue - none of the 6'10 plussers in the middle of the draft are a finished product. When evaluating skill sets, look for the flaws which can be corrected. Strength can be gained through extra intake and a frequent trips to the weight room. The bad news is that Leuer is 225 pounds. The good news is that he has a polished offensive game... with range.

Add 15 pounds of muscle and voila... a tall yoot with a ball handling ability.

You cannot teach height

Rebounding is not all about size and muscle. See Kevin Love for a prime example (Dennis Rodman had muscle but he was undersized as well). Some people are just flat out better at it than others.

We have enough scorers on the team, I'd prefer tough nosed rebounders who are very good outlet passers. I'd prefer a chuck hayes 6'6" type over this guy actually.

You could add Sir Charles to that list at 6'6 and 240 iirc