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unstopaball12
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4/13/2011  10:19 AM
what is your rotation for the celtics series?

pg: billups
sg fields
sf melo
pf amare
c sheldon

douglas
williams
jeffries( d'antoni will play him)
carter


carter wins over walker for me because we need experience, and he plays good off the ball defense we need that against allen
i have a feeling sheldon will stop playing if we get blown out in boston. Enter turiaf

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4/13/2011  10:23 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/13/2011  10:23 AM
PG: Billups
SG: Fields
SF: Melo
PF: Amare
C: Shelden

Bench - TD, Shawne, Turiaf, Billy, AC

I am going 10 deep. Keep everybody fresh.

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4/13/2011  10:34 AM
Great question.

I really have no idea. I want an 8 man roation--but I feel like that's impossible

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4/13/2011  10:45 AM
PG:TD
SG:Billups
SF:Shawne Williams
PF:Anthony
C:Stoudemire

This line up could provide an early punch and we still have a pg and sg on the bench in Carter and Fields.

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4/13/2011  11:30 AM
first and foremost I bench Fields. He stinks on the floor next to Amare and Stat. He just does nothing but stand around the perimeter like Gallo did his rookie year.

The one change I would make is this:
PG Douglas
SG Billups

I'm relying on that backcourt heavily. Its been our best. VDesai and I were chatting and he was talking about how well Douglas plays when there is another PG type on the floor, whether it be AC or Billups.

So I'm going with that starting line up and everyone but Turiaf playing pretty heavy minutes... 35ish.

After that I bring in Shawn Williams for D and the extra shooter. He's earned it. Carter off the bench at either guard and Fields when Melo or Amare is out of the game and give him some more look on offense.

I would give Sheldon a 6-7 minute burn in the 2nd and 3rd just to bang on KG and big baby and hopefully spell Amare a bit.

I would give JJ the same... 12-15 minutes give or take. I really want to see him on Rondo. Of everyone who has played on the Knicks this year (pre and post Melo trade) JJ has the highest +/- on the team. As bad as he is he's earned some burn here, at least for a look.

So to recap:
I would start:
PG Douglas
SG Billups
SF Melo
PF Amare
C Turiaf

AC first guard off the bench for 12-15 minutes. Fields and ShawnW are the main cogs in the 2nd unit. JJ and Sheldon would get time also.

Thats a ten man rotation, but its really Douglas, Billups, Melo, Amare, Fields and Williams with AC, JJ, Turiaf and Sheldon getting short looks based on effectiveness and matchups

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4/13/2011  11:35 AM
StillaKnicksfan wrote:PG:TD
SG:Billups
SF:Shawne Williams
PF:Anthony
C:Stoudemire

This line up could provide an early punch and we still have a pg and sg on the bench in Carter and Fields.

you beat me too it.

Although I dont see Fields getting benched for SW. SW might play more, but DMA wont make that switch. I think its just a loyalty/perception thing. Fields and SW are a bit redundant.

I would also start a legit center. Knicks do best starting with some size then moving to the faster smaller line ups

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4/13/2011  11:38 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/13/2011  11:39 AM
fishmike wrote:first and foremost I bench Fields. He stinks on the floor next to Amare and Stat. He just does nothing but stand around the perimeter like Gallo did his rookie year.

The one change I would make is this:
PG Douglas
SG Billups

I'm relying on that backcourt heavily. Its been our best. VDesai and I were chatting and he was talking about how well Douglas plays when there is another PG type on the floor, whether it be AC or Billups.

So I'm going with that starting line up and everyone but Turiaf playing pretty heavy minutes... 35ish.

After that I bring in Shawn Williams for D and the extra shooter. He's earned it. Carter off the bench at either guard and Fields when Melo or Amare is out of the game and give him some more look on offense.

I would give Sheldon a 6-7 minute burn in the 2nd and 3rd just to bang on KG and big baby and hopefully spell Amare a bit.

I would give JJ the same... 12-15 minutes give or take. I really want to see him on Rondo. Of everyone who has played on the Knicks this year (pre and post Melo trade) JJ has the highest +/- on the team. As bad as he is he's earned some burn here, at least for a look.

So to recap:
I would start:
PG Douglas
SG Billups
SF Melo
PF Amare
C Turiaf

AC first guard off the bench for 12-15 minutes. Fields and ShawnW are the main cogs in the 2nd unit. JJ and Sheldon would get time also.

Thats a ten man rotation, but its really Douglas, Billups, Melo, Amare, Fields and Williams with AC, JJ, Turiaf and Sheldon getting short looks based on effectiveness and matchups

Papabear Says

Thats because Fields is seeing double. Amare and Stat ?? LOL

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4/13/2011  11:44 AM
Papabear wrote:
fishmike wrote:first and foremost I bench Fields. He stinks on the floor next to Amare and Stat. He just does nothing but stand around the perimeter like Gallo did his rookie year.

The one change I would make is this:
PG Douglas
SG Billups

I'm relying on that backcourt heavily. Its been our best. VDesai and I were chatting and he was talking about how well Douglas plays when there is another PG type on the floor, whether it be AC or Billups.

So I'm going with that starting line up and everyone but Turiaf playing pretty heavy minutes... 35ish.

After that I bring in Shawn Williams for D and the extra shooter. He's earned it. Carter off the bench at either guard and Fields when Melo or Amare is out of the game and give him some more look on offense.

I would give Sheldon a 6-7 minute burn in the 2nd and 3rd just to bang on KG and big baby and hopefully spell Amare a bit.

I would give JJ the same... 12-15 minutes give or take. I really want to see him on Rondo. Of everyone who has played on the Knicks this year (pre and post Melo trade) JJ has the highest +/- on the team. As bad as he is he's earned some burn here, at least for a look.

So to recap:
I would start:
PG Douglas
SG Billups
SF Melo
PF Amare
C Turiaf

AC first guard off the bench for 12-15 minutes. Fields and ShawnW are the main cogs in the 2nd unit. JJ and Sheldon would get time also.

Thats a ten man rotation, but its really Douglas, Billups, Melo, Amare, Fields and Williams with AC, JJ, Turiaf and Sheldon getting short looks based on effectiveness and matchups

Papabear Says

Thats because Fields is seeing double. Amare and Stat ?? LOL

haha good catch. funny. It would be great to have Amare, Stat, and Amear on the same team.

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4/13/2011  11:54 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/13/2011  11:58 AM
I saw defensive energy from Brown and activity on the glass. Matter of fact Noah was having problems with him. Would love some way if he can get time.

Once again lol at Shelden Williams recent minutes.

Expect this coach not to go past 9 guys once playoffs start unless HE'S FORCED TO

Billups
Fields
Melo
Turiaf
Stat

Douglas
Williams
Walker
Effries

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4/13/2011  10:06 PM
NYKBocker wrote:PG: Billups
SG: Fields
SF: Melo
PF: Amare
C: Shelden

Bench - TD, Shawne, Turiaf, Billy, AC

I am going 10 deep. Keep everybody fresh.

Have to go with the 10 man roster, especially with the quick hook Fields has been getting.

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4/13/2011  11:04 PM
martin wrote:
Papabear wrote:
fishmike wrote:first and foremost I bench Fields. He stinks on the floor next to Amare and Stat. He just does nothing but stand around the perimeter like Gallo did his rookie year.

The one change I would make is this:
PG Douglas
SG Billups

I'm relying on that backcourt heavily. Its been our best. VDesai and I were chatting and he was talking about how well Douglas plays when there is another PG type on the floor, whether it be AC or Billups.

So I'm going with that starting line up and everyone but Turiaf playing pretty heavy minutes... 35ish.

After that I bring in Shawn Williams for D and the extra shooter. He's earned it. Carter off the bench at either guard and Fields when Melo or Amare is out of the game and give him some more look on offense.

I would give Sheldon a 6-7 minute burn in the 2nd and 3rd just to bang on KG and big baby and hopefully spell Amare a bit.

I would give JJ the same... 12-15 minutes give or take. I really want to see him on Rondo. Of everyone who has played on the Knicks this year (pre and post Melo trade) JJ has the highest +/- on the team. As bad as he is he's earned some burn here, at least for a look.

So to recap:
I would start:
PG Douglas
SG Billups
SF Melo
PF Amare
C Turiaf

AC first guard off the bench for 12-15 minutes. Fields and ShawnW are the main cogs in the 2nd unit. JJ and Sheldon would get time also.

Thats a ten man rotation, but its really Douglas, Billups, Melo, Amare, Fields and Williams with AC, JJ, Turiaf and Sheldon getting short looks based on effectiveness and matchups

Papabear Says

Thats because Fields is seeing double. Amare and Stat ?? LOL

haha good catch. funny. It would be great to have Amare, Stat, and Amear on the same team.

Yep. They will sendclock everybody...

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4/13/2011  11:37 PM
My preference is
Starters:
  • Billups
  • Fields/Walker
  • Melo
  • Amare
  • SheWill

Bench
  • TD
  • Shawne
  • Browne
  • Turiaf
  • AC

Most like we're going to see
Starters:
  • Billups
  • Fields
  • Melo
  • Amare
  • JJ/Turiaf/SheWill depending on the matchup

Bench:
  • TD
  • Shawne
  • JJ/Turiaf
  • Maybe AC
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4/13/2011  11:38 PM
agree on the douglas/fields swap. i like a starting 5 of douglas/billups/melo/stat/turiaf.

i think MDA plays jeffries and shawne williams regularly off the bench. i don't think there will be any consistency beyond that, i expect fields and billy W and shelden will all see minutes in the series but infrequent and irregular. depends on who the C's are throwing out there and what the Mustached One is thinking.

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4/13/2011  11:40 PM
TD needs to come off the bench as the energy guy.
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4/14/2011  6:52 AM
BlueSeats wrote:TD needs to come off the bench as the energy guy.

because he is energetic

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4/14/2011  7:39 AM
orangeblobman wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:TD needs to come off the bench as the energy guy.

because he is energetic

Some times he comes on you'll see him do a bit of a skip step as he gets ready to face his guy. Look for it...

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4/14/2011  8:58 AM
PG Chauncey Billups
SG: Landry Fields
SF: Carmelo Anthony
PF: Amar'e Stoudemire
C: Ronnie Turiaf

Toney Douglas
Shelden Williams
Shawne Williams


Foul Trouble?:
Bill Walker
Anthony Carter
Jared Jeffries


Basically, starting 5 play as long as they are effective. Then bring in the subs. Let the players get continuity and establish a rhythm. Make the Celts run every game. It will pay dividends over the course of the series.

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4/14/2011  2:25 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:PG Chauncey Billups
SG: Landry Fields
SF: Carmelo Anthony
PF: Amar'e Stoudemire
C: Ronnie Turiaf

Toney Douglas
Shelden Williams
Shawne Williams


Foul Trouble?:
Bill Walker
Anthony Carter
Jared Jeffries


Basically, starting 5 play as long as they are effective. Then bring in the subs. Let the players get continuity and establish a rhythm. Make the Celts run every game. It will pay dividends over the course of the series.


I agree with this except that I would switch Jeffries for Shelden Williams. Not because I think he should be on the court but because I think that is how D'Antoni is going to go with the line up.
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4/14/2011  2:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/14/2011  2:32 PM
We could throw a change up, Switch on everything and play zone when Perice or Allen is on the bench.


Turif/Shelden
Amare
Melo
JJ
Billups


Well seeing as MDA wants to out score the other team, it will never happen...........

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4/14/2011  2:48 PM
the lineup should be

pg: billups
sg: fields
sf: anthony
pf: amar'e
c: shelden williams

shawne williams in at 3, 4, 5
toney douglas at 1, 2
turiaf at 5 if shelden or amar'e gets in foul trouble

if fields is playing doodoo and we need an offensive spark then pop in billy walker.

jeffries and ac while they've played nice for stretches should not be playing. keeping everyone fresh is not a concern in the playoffs when there are 1, 2 and sometimes 3 days in between games. you can make an argument we can go 7 deep without missing a beat.

toney douglas is going to be playing a lot because billups cannot guard rondo and if rondo winds up having a series like he did against the bulls not too long ago then i can see billups being benched. it's going to be hard because he can't guard ray ray either.

they beat us on size but honestly if they're rolling out dinosaurs like jermaine o'neal or shaq we have to be determined in running those guys off the floor. we can't match up with size but those guys can't keep up with us with a faster pace. that said, it's tough to run on the celtics and in the playoffs so guys like shelden and turiaf are needed.

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