orangeblobman wrote:I remind you, friend, sir, that they were calling for Doc's head in Boston before KG and Allen came!

Yes, but we have a big two in place and appeal to potentially land another or at least fill out the roster with solid talent that would to play with Melo and Amare to win a ring. Also, as this thread eludes to, fans often see the coach as the simplest problem to solve, especially if they like the players on the team. Pierce has always been loved in Boston (mostly) and others too, but like NY many of the loved players were shipped to get KG and Ray, which paid off HUGE dividends for Boston.

To that end, and somewhat unfortunately, it's obvious in this league that talent drives success. It's hard, if not impossible, to deny at this point that Phil Jackson is a great coach. Maybe he's not an Xs and Os guy, but 11 rings. It is even more impossible to not point out the talent he had on his teams. Would he have taken the Knicks to the promised land were he coaching them instead of the Bulls during the Ewing years? It's hard to say, because the Bulls still would have had Jordan and Pippen, Hakeem was still amazing, Ewing's his shattered, and Sprewell brought a new chemistry to NY (for better or worse), etc. Obviously Phil's presence would have somehow influenced the players acquired and how they played. But it's just that much easier for a coach when he's got HoF caliber players on the roster and NY now has two with a few pieces that are developing nicely (Fields and TD to an extent). If Billups can get back on track and the Knicks and he want to continue their relationship, that would only be a plus in luring someone like Doc.

It's just a pipe dream, but winning changes a coach and Doc has done that. I'd love for him to by in NY, I just don't know if it's even a slight possibility.

misterearl wrote:Go Young Young Man

The next three Knicks head coaches

2012 - Mark Jackson

2015 - Billy Donovan

2017 - Shaka Smart, who will be 41 years old

You heard it here first.

Q. CrushALot: Are you thinking 11-12 for MJax?

A. The Knicks are famous for firing coaches after slow starts. Willis Reed, Don Chaney, Don Nelson come to mind.

Q. CrushALot: are you thinking Walsh is staying?

A. Walsh is gone faster than you can say Kenny Walker. The movers have already set an appointment for packing his office.

VCoug wrote:By the way, what's the infatuation with Mark Jackson on this board? The man's never coached a day in his life and refuses to work as an assistant, why do so many of you seem to think that he'd be the answer for the Knicks or any other team for that matter?

THIS. I am tired of hearing about this guy as a coach for this team. If you prefer Jax to MDA something is seriously wrong with you.

I don't get all the MDA hate around here but people must not remember Don Chaney, Larry Brown, Lenny Wilkins etc. MDA is going to win here.

Lenny Wilkins?

misterearl wrote:OasisBU - what exactly is your issue with Don Chaney?

Lenny Wilkins?

Personally? Nothin - they are both nice guys and class acts.

But on the Knicks they represent the consistent mediocrity that has plagued this franchise for the past decade. I also don't see them as the type of guys that would attract FA's. Neither of them are head coaches in the league anymore.

I just find it annoying that MDA gets no respect, this team was nothing when he got here.

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fishmike wrote:I would love Doc... bring him here. He's got a title and thats a big juice card. He's the PERFECT guy.

He has players that play defense.

And a proven defensive system that works. Its working in both Chi and Boston.

The beauty of defense is that it doesn't need a system as much as offense does. Defense is effort that comes from the players, and is instilled from the head coach. This is what Mike D'antoni constantly fails to acknowledge. Giving the effort we gave against Orlando on a nightly basis would net us so many easy baskets off of steals, blocks, and transition opportunities. But D'antoni doesn't want to hear it. All he wants to do is make sure the spacing and ball movement is existent, and that shots are falling.

arkrud wrote:Doc and Zen are smart duddes.
Why do you think they wil suddenly lose their mind and get close that 1000 miles to Dolan?

The fans, the team, the glory of guiding the Knicks back to and WINNING a championship. It's the same thing that drove guys to work for Steinbrenner. It was never going to be a picnic or easy to deal the man and his issues, but being a part of the legacy of the Yankees is a powerful incentive. Unfortunately the legacy of the Knicks has been greatly tarnished and while Dolan will throw the same money at building a winning team he has yet to find the right people to build a championship contending unit OR he's stepped all over their work in a effort to grab some positive spotlight amid all of the disgust. So while I hear what you're saying a basically agree, I'd love for Doc to throw caution to the wind and come to Gotham.