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Panos
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3/27/2011  3:22 AM
Nixluva's spin job of historic proportions once mike 'Antoni gets fired.
"Finally! Now the knocks are a lock to improve. Mike was holding us back. I never said the problem wasn't with d'antoni"
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3/27/2011  4:07 AM
Where do you guys get this stuff? Why would I try to spin anything having to do with D'Antoni getting fired? Tell me this tho. After he's gone do we still have issues with size in the middle, the need for a permanent solution at PG, A SG that can create a bit on his own and shoot reliably and better overall quality depth off the bench? Most of a team's success is based on the quality and composition of the talent on your roster. You give a coach KG, Pierce, Allen and Rondo and it's gonna be a pretty good team. You also need the opportunity to work with that team to develop a rotation that works, defensive and offensive chemistry. It doesn't hurt to have some roster continuity as well in order to reach maximum potential all good teams need.

It's also funny how when things go wrong all of you guys immediately invoke my name as if i'm the only one who wants to see the team succeed. It doesn't matter if it's Isiah, Zach Randolph or D'Antoni. If anything goes wrong suddenly i'm the poster boy for supporting the team and clearly the answer is to change the coach and all of you guys will be right. because as we all know changing the coach has manifested such great results in the recent past. God forbid that we actually solve the most important issues with the holes in the roster and the overall talent level on the team. If the Magic don't win the title is it because of Van Gundy or is it more likely that it's cuz the team wasn't good enough? How about OKC or Dallas? Is it the coach making the most important difference in all these teams? IMO unless the teams are equal like the Celtics and Lakers were last year, there's no way you can really lay the blame on the coach with any surety.

I could understand if we had not made the trade and we were imploding like this with the roster we had, then there would be no excuse or rational that could be given to say that Mike should stay. However, we made a massive change and unfortunately the worst scenario happened and things haven't worked. This is the kind of result that both Donnie and Mike worried about before Dolan stepped in.
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3/27/2011  10:48 AM
Is it that hard to understand that some of our issues, the ones that have been here pre and post trade Knicks, are in great part because of him? Is it hard to understand that D'Antoni has a different opinion about center and clogging the lane than us? Mozgov is still mentioned like he was this guy D'Antoni consistently played and loved, but it is ignored how he did meet D'Antoni's doghouse for many games, came off the bench and even with the game on the line we didn't always use him, instead going with a small lineup (a D'Antoni's favorite). I wish D'Antoni used big men, specially centers, the traditional way. But all his decisions revolve around his offensive system. Its the reason we see many changes in the lineup, as he seems to be coaching by feel of his system instead of looking for balance on both ends of the floor.

Im not saying his offensive system doesn't work. It does and the few times it did it was a thing of beauty. But it isn't a consistent system, especially when you lack the specific pieces. We lacked a few with the pre-trade Knicks. Now we seem to lack all. The time it takes to learn the system seems endless, as the pre-trade group really started playing it well 20 games into the season- having had training camp- and their play started going south a few weeks before the rumors started. We still had out many nights shots weren't falling and lost to anybody.

And whether its the system or simply the coach's inability, defense has always been an issue no matter the players we have. Some people talk about how our players in Denver haven't missed a beat and are helping them become a better defensive team. Do you remember that with those guys with defensive talent we still allowed 110+ points per game?

I won't say this is all D'Antoni's fault, because such a big mess can only be created by most factors in the team. But right now, we are seeing the worst of this system. We have a team that isn't fit for it and one of our major weaknesses, the center, doesn't seem like it will improve with this coach. Do the math.

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3/27/2011  10:57 AM
Panos - don't make it personal. This is not a juvenile contest to be proven right or wrong. In all the time posting, I have NEVER seen nixluva level a personal attack against anyone, ever. He is one of the most even-handed writers and should be respected as being passionate as most loyal fans are.
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3/27/2011  11:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/27/2011  11:05 AM
I think it's obvious to see that the faults of this team do not lie strictly with D'Antoni.

In many situations, you build a team to the strength of the coach. This is what we had, which is part of why we were winning. We certainly do not have that now. I don't blame D'Antoni for losing, but at the same point, if this is the core we have, it's clear D'Antoni is not a fit, so it may be better, for his benefit, if he moves on, so he can coach his style. The team combined with the coach we have, is certainly not constructed for success.

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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3/27/2011  11:06 AM
Name a quality coach willing to work for Dolan.
Rose is not the answer.
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3/27/2011  11:11 AM
knickstorrents wrote:Name a quality coach willing to work for Dolan.

put enough money in front of them and the question will be name one who isn't.
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3/27/2011  11:12 AM
Also, to add to what I was saying. There are some on this board that CANNOT accept any coach that is not defensive minded and, therefore, result to childish insults and ridiculous arguments to justify their own insecurity. The truth about D'Antoni is that he's offensively FOCUSED. That does not mean that he doesn't give an ish about defense. He has not often had teams that were "terrible" defensively. Usually his teams are decent, defensively, and occasionally, they've even been good. We're awful on defense now and we were not earlier in the season. It's tough to 100% blame the coach for that, if you're a reasonable, logical person.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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3/27/2011  11:30 AM
Solace wrote:Also, to add to what I was saying. There are some on this board that CANNOT accept any coach that is not defensive minded and, therefore, result to childish insults and ridiculous arguments to justify their own insecurity. The truth about D'Antoni is that he's offensively FOCUSED. That does not mean that he doesn't give an ish about defense. He has not often had teams that were "terrible" defensively. Usually his teams are decent, defensively, and occasionally, they've even been good. We're awful on defense now and we were not earlier in the season. It's tough to 100% blame the coach for that, if you're a reasonable, logical person.

Baskeball is played on 2 sides of the court. To be too focused on one side is foolish. With that said, this offensively focused coach's offense has sputtered in the 4th Q the last 6 games or so. Whats the excuse now?
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3/27/2011  11:36 AM

Do all fans of all franchises always look for the next thing to improve without pause to consider "doing the same thing over and over expecting an different outcome is the sign if a bigger problem"?

Einstein said: "The problem at hand must be solved with a higher level of thinking than that in which created it".

We did this when we bought in Walsh and waited 2 years to get a decent roster and the beginnings of a culture. Then It got blown to bits and now a new coach is needed which will bring some magic to the team?

Amare and Melo came here to play with MDA.

It will get figured out in the off season.

Maybe patience should be tried for a change.
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3/27/2011  2:50 PM
Uptown wrote:
Solace wrote:Also, to add to what I was saying. There are some on this board that CANNOT accept any coach that is not defensive minded and, therefore, result to childish insults and ridiculous arguments to justify their own insecurity. The truth about D'Antoni is that he's offensively FOCUSED. That does not mean that he doesn't give an ish about defense. He has not often had teams that were "terrible" defensively. Usually his teams are decent, defensively, and occasionally, they've even been good. We're awful on defense now and we were not earlier in the season. It's tough to 100% blame the coach for that, if you're a reasonable, logical person.

Baskeball is played on 2 sides of the court. To be too focused on one side is foolish. With that said, this offensively focused coach's offense has sputtered in the 4th Q the last 6 games or so. Whats the excuse now?

I agree that it's played on both sides of court. But "focused" on one side is a far cry from ignoring the other. You guys claim MDA ignores defense and doesn't care and that is just absurd. The statistics pre-trade don't back it up, either. It's just blind hatred, IMHO. MDA has been a very successful coach and his teams have been awesome on offense and average or better on defense. Can we give him a little bit of a break or is it just more fun to spout out lies?

The current team is awfully constructed. I don't blame D'Antoni for that specifically. He is definitely part of the problem I'll admit, but also he has very little talent on the defensive end, as it is. With or without D'Antoni, we are currently constructed to be the worst defensive team in the league.

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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3/27/2011  3:09 PM
Solace wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Solace wrote:Also, to add to what I was saying. There are some on this board that CANNOT accept any coach that is not defensive minded and, therefore, result to childish insults and ridiculous arguments to justify their own insecurity. The truth about D'Antoni is that he's offensively FOCUSED. That does not mean that he doesn't give an ish about defense. He has not often had teams that were "terrible" defensively. Usually his teams are decent, defensively, and occasionally, they've even been good. We're awful on defense now and we were not earlier in the season. It's tough to 100% blame the coach for that, if you're a reasonable, logical person.

Baskeball is played on 2 sides of the court. To be too focused on one side is foolish. With that said, this offensively focused coach's offense has sputtered in the 4th Q the last 6 games or so. Whats the excuse now?

I agree that it's played on both sides of court. But "focused" on one side is a far cry from ignoring the other. You guys claim MDA ignores defense and doesn't care and that is just absurd. The statistics pre-trade don't back it up, either. It's just blind hatred, IMHO. MDA has been a very successful coach and his teams have been awesome on offense and average or better on defense. Can we give him a little bit of a break or is it just more fun to spout out lies?

The current team is awfully constructed. I don't blame D'Antoni for that specifically. He is definitely part of the problem I'll admit, but also he has very little talent on the defensive end, as it is. With or without D'Antoni, we are currently constructed to be the worst defensive team in the league.

I think D'Antoni is finally acknowledging defense but the fact that he has ignored it or paid little attention to it in the past is documented and has been confirmed by his own players. I know in NY Isola was the guy that quoted players as saying that they never practiced d. However, the same thing was reported in Phoenix when he was there and the reason he is in NY is because he didn't want to put more emphasis on defense in Phoenix and did not want to do that in Chicago either. It isn't blind hatred to want change when you know something doesn't work and won't change.
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3/27/2011  11:38 PM
Nalod wrote:
Do all fans of all franchises always look for the next thing to improve without pause to consider "doing the same thing over and over expecting an different outcome is the sign if a bigger problem"?

Einstein said: "The problem at hand must be solved with a higher level of thinking than that in which created it".

We did this when we bought in Walsh and waited 2 years to get a decent roster and the beginnings of a culture. Then It got blown to bits and now a new coach is needed which will bring some magic to the team?

Amare and Melo came here to play with MDA.

It will get figured out in the off season.

Maybe patience should be tried for a change.

I think if we could perceive more of the 26 dimensions, we might just be able to solve this thing.

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Uptown wrote:
Solace wrote:Also, to add to what I was saying. There are some on this board that CANNOT accept any coach that is not defensive minded and, therefore, result to childish insults and ridiculous arguments to justify their own insecurity. The truth about D'Antoni is that he's offensively FOCUSED. That does not mean that he doesn't give an ish about defense. He has not often had teams that were "terrible" defensively. Usually his teams are decent, defensively, and occasionally, they've even been good. We're awful on defense now and we were not earlier in the season. It's tough to 100% blame the coach for that, if you're a reasonable, logical person.

Baskeball is played on 2 sides of the court. To be too focused on one side is foolish. With that said, this offensively focused coach's offense has sputtered in the 4th Q the last 6 games or so. Whats the excuse now?

Time for you to look at the players on the court and see why things have become the way they are now.

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Marv wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:Name a quality coach willing to work for Dolan.

put enough money in front of them and the question will be name one who isn't.

BINGO!!!!!!!!!
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3/28/2011  9:26 AM
haha. I would expect the expectations for the Knicks from nixluva to suddenly be very high, like 0.666 winning percentage. If not then we'll hear how mda wasn't the problem. If mda stays though, I think any number of wins above -1 will be ok.

Panos wrote:Nixluva's spin job of historic proportions once mike 'Antoni gets fired.
"Finally! Now the knocks are a lock to improve. Mike was holding us back. I never said the problem wasn't with d'antoni"
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3/28/2011  9:28 AM
It'd be intersting to see his overall coaching record. I doubt it would back up what you are saying, though.

Solace wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Solace wrote:Also, to add to what I was saying. There are some on this board that CANNOT accept any coach that is not defensive minded and, therefore, result to childish insults and ridiculous arguments to justify their own insecurity. The truth about D'Antoni is that he's offensively FOCUSED. That does not mean that he doesn't give an ish about defense. He has not often had teams that were "terrible" defensively. Usually his teams are decent, defensively, and occasionally, they've even been good. We're awful on defense now and we were not earlier in the season. It's tough to 100% blame the coach for that, if you're a reasonable, logical person.

Baskeball is played on 2 sides of the court. To be too focused on one side is foolish. With that said, this offensively focused coach's offense has sputtered in the 4th Q the last 6 games or so. Whats the excuse now?

I agree that it's played on both sides of court. But "focused" on one side is a far cry from ignoring the other. You guys claim MDA ignores defense and doesn't care and that is just absurd. The statistics pre-trade don't back it up, either. It's just blind hatred, IMHO. MDA has been a very successful coach and his teams have been awesome on offense and average or better on defense. Can we give him a little bit of a break or is it just more fun to spout out lies?

The current team is awfully constructed. I don't blame D'Antoni for that specifically. He is definitely part of the problem I'll admit, but also he has very little talent on the defensive end, as it is. With or without D'Antoni, we are currently constructed to be the worst defensive team in the league.
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3/28/2011  1:31 PM
nykshaknbake wrote:It'd be intersting to see his overall coaching record. I doubt it would back up what you are saying, though.

Solace wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Solace wrote:Also, to add to what I was saying. There are some on this board that CANNOT accept any coach that is not defensive minded and, therefore, result to childish insults and ridiculous arguments to justify their own insecurity. The truth about D'Antoni is that he's offensively FOCUSED. That does not mean that he doesn't give an ish about defense. He has not often had teams that were "terrible" defensively. Usually his teams are decent, defensively, and occasionally, they've even been good. We're awful on defense now and we were not earlier in the season. It's tough to 100% blame the coach for that, if you're a reasonable, logical person.

Baskeball is played on 2 sides of the court. To be too focused on one side is foolish. With that said, this offensively focused coach's offense has sputtered in the 4th Q the last 6 games or so. Whats the excuse now?

I agree that it's played on both sides of court. But "focused" on one side is a far cry from ignoring the other. You guys claim MDA ignores defense and doesn't care and that is just absurd. The statistics pre-trade don't back it up, either. It's just blind hatred, IMHO. MDA has been a very successful coach and his teams have been awesome on offense and average or better on defense. Can we give him a little bit of a break or is it just more fun to spout out lies?

The current team is awfully constructed. I don't blame D'Antoni for that specifically. He is definitely part of the problem I'll admit, but also he has very little talent on the defensive end, as it is. With or without D'Antoni, we are currently constructed to be the worst defensive team in the league.

Ask and you shall receive staright from http://www.nba.com/coachfile/mike_dantoni/

D’Antoni recorded a 253-136 (.650) record in five years with Phoenix.
D’Antoni owns a 61-103 (.372) record in two seasons in New York, and an overall 328-275 (.544) NBA head coaching record over eight seasons.

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3/28/2011  1:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/28/2011  1:34 PM
CashMoney wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:It'd be intersting to see his overall coaching record. I doubt it would back up what you are saying, though.

Solace wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Solace wrote:Also, to add to what I was saying. There are some on this board that CANNOT accept any coach that is not defensive minded and, therefore, result to childish insults and ridiculous arguments to justify their own insecurity. The truth about D'Antoni is that he's offensively FOCUSED. That does not mean that he doesn't give an ish about defense. He has not often had teams that were "terrible" defensively. Usually his teams are decent, defensively, and occasionally, they've even been good. We're awful on defense now and we were not earlier in the season. It's tough to 100% blame the coach for that, if you're a reasonable, logical person.

Baskeball is played on 2 sides of the court. To be too focused on one side is foolish. With that said, this offensively focused coach's offense has sputtered in the 4th Q the last 6 games or so. Whats the excuse now?

I agree that it's played on both sides of court. But "focused" on one side is a far cry from ignoring the other. You guys claim MDA ignores defense and doesn't care and that is just absurd. The statistics pre-trade don't back it up, either. It's just blind hatred, IMHO. MDA has been a very successful coach and his teams have been awesome on offense and average or better on defense. Can we give him a little bit of a break or is it just more fun to spout out lies?

The current team is awfully constructed. I don't blame D'Antoni for that specifically. He is definitely part of the problem I'll admit, but also he has very little talent on the defensive end, as it is. With or without D'Antoni, we are currently constructed to be the worst defensive team in the league.

Ask and you shall receive staright from http://www.nba.com/coachfile/mike_dantoni/

D’Antoni recorded a 253-136 (.650) record in five years with Phoenix.
D’Antoni owns a 61-103 (.372) record in two seasons in New York, and an overall 328-275 (.544) NBA head coaching record over eight seasons.


That's better than I thought, given how poorly it's been in recent years. I wouldn't call it very sucessful though.
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3/28/2011  7:01 PM
nykshaknbake wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:It'd be intersting to see his overall coaching record. I doubt it would back up what you are saying, though.

Solace wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Solace wrote:Also, to add to what I was saying. There are some on this board that CANNOT accept any coach that is not defensive minded and, therefore, result to childish insults and ridiculous arguments to justify their own insecurity. The truth about D'Antoni is that he's offensively FOCUSED. That does not mean that he doesn't give an ish about defense. He has not often had teams that were "terrible" defensively. Usually his teams are decent, defensively, and occasionally, they've even been good. We're awful on defense now and we were not earlier in the season. It's tough to 100% blame the coach for that, if you're a reasonable, logical person.

Baskeball is played on 2 sides of the court. To be too focused on one side is foolish. With that said, this offensively focused coach's offense has sputtered in the 4th Q the last 6 games or so. Whats the excuse now?

I agree that it's played on both sides of court. But "focused" on one side is a far cry from ignoring the other. You guys claim MDA ignores defense and doesn't care and that is just absurd. The statistics pre-trade don't back it up, either. It's just blind hatred, IMHO. MDA has been a very successful coach and his teams have been awesome on offense and average or better on defense. Can we give him a little bit of a break or is it just more fun to spout out lies?

The current team is awfully constructed. I don't blame D'Antoni for that specifically. He is definitely part of the problem I'll admit, but also he has very little talent on the defensive end, as it is. With or without D'Antoni, we are currently constructed to be the worst defensive team in the league.

Ask and you shall receive staright from http://www.nba.com/coachfile/mike_dantoni/

D’Antoni recorded a 253-136 (.650) record in five years with Phoenix.
D’Antoni owns a 61-103 (.372) record in two seasons in New York, and an overall 328-275 (.544) NBA head coaching record over eight seasons.


That's better than I thought, given how poorly it's been in recent years. I wouldn't call it very sucessful though.

I'm torn on MDA. A 65% win percentage in Phoenix is impressive. His record with the Knicks is terrible but we all know that his 1st two years were "Lets get under cap and make a run at Lebron" time. Pre-trade 2 games over .500 but recently we all know what's going on. The guy can't go from winning 65% of his games to the guy can't coach in such a short time frame. I'd like to see him get at least 1 year with the Knicks where the roster is the roster.

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