but that is the team we just made outrselves into you think any of the players 3e have is better than Macadoo in his prime--keep dreaming.

there is a reason why we went 13-1 and why Denver is going to ebg 12-3-- AND we weretn even using pieces like randolph and mosgov correctly

this is not team this is two guys with fancy names who score points and not much else. look at their stats tonight--same deal

Paladin55 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:thats it go back a nd look at the records--that what we are--actually much worse because they still has Clyde pearl and good role players. the youngins wont remember this

but that is the team we just made outrselves into you think any of the players 3e have is better than Macadoo in his prime--keep dreaming.

there is a reason why we went 13-1 and why Denver is going to ebg 12-3-- AND we weretn even using pieces like randolph and mosgov correctly

this is not team this is two guys with fancy names who score points and not much else. look at their stats tonight--same deal

Unfortunately, many of the younger guys around here could not see the comparison to the McAdoo/Haywood disaster when they were having wet dreams thinking of an Amare/Anthony pairing.

The bordering on lunacy certitude of some who wrote rhat the trade was a no-brainer,and the smug and mocking tone directed toward those of us who opposed the trade annoys even now, and will surely be the motivating factor for future sarcastic comments coming from my direction.

exactly... when I posted any opposition to the trade, the only answer I got was.. You gallo lover.. melo >>>> gallo and chandler..

I wonder how the same people are feeling about the trade now?

are they still cosigning this bull ish that is going on here?

You look at how Walsh built the Indiana team, I do not recall any kind of trade like this. He built that core up San Antonio/OKC style.

Bonn1997 wrote:From looking at the stats, Carmelo has a lot of improving to do if he wants to get at the Mcadoo level. Mcadoo was actually a good scorer. He didn't take 21 shots to score 23 points.

He was a mid-range machine who could also get some boards and sometimes block shots.

Very similar to Amare, to be honest- even down to the defensive limitations in man on man situations.

misterearl wrote:holfresh - you have one shot at it. what would be the first position you look to upgrade via the draft?

More important.... Is Donnie Walnuts staying or leaving?

The Knicks had holes before the trade and have even bigger holes now...But I think it depends on who the coach is..This Coach needs a point guard capable of running his offense...I'm not sure if a guy in college can come in and play at a level to have us compete against the best in the east now or two years down the road...But I'll just say this, The team looks bad now but I don't think this team is far away...Not sure if Donnie can do this, but without requesting outrageous players, give me Ibaka, Felton and Frye, and I think the Knicks compete with anyone in the east...Just a wish list...

More important than the system, I think these guys need a coach who can coach men...A person to challenge them professionally, handle the media... These guys can ball, they need a leader on the sidelines...I think Carmelo can come to camp in better shape, ready to play both ends of the court...But who is gonna tell him that?? Not MDA...One of his assistant said last week he thinks Carmelo will get all of them fired....MDA didn't want this trade to go down and Melo knows that...A real soap opera...I think Donnie is gone...

markvmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:One playoff run of about 10 or 15 games is a ridiculously small example to use as your basis of evaluation of an eight year veteran.

18 games. Just shy of 1/4 season. Whatever about Anthony's abilities, it doesn't seem too soon to have an opinion about whether the trade was a good one.

My view of carMElo is based on his eight year career--very little of my view is attributable to the small sample of games he's played as a Knick.

holfresh wrote:Knicks were a horrible defensive team long before Carmelo got here..Now Carmelo is being blamed for the Knicks defensive liabilities ..McAdoo didn't lead The Braves to consecutive playoff appearances...McAdoo as a soft player that didn't rebound...Carmelo is a proven playoff playoff performer.. The guy post and drivers the ball..I would even say he is our best passer.. Amare is looking like Marvin Webster out there..U wanna blame Carmelo for that too?

For what it is worth he averaged about 13 RPG in his prime before the injuries slowed him down. During that time he also averaged close to 2 BPG. He had 9.4 RPG for his career, by the way, and late in his career he helped the Lakers win a couple of titles as a valuable role player. He, like Amare, was also playing out of position at the C position.

The team, all in all, has not played better ball since Billups and Anthony arrived, and it would seem that the trade has not helped guys like Amare, who was the focus of the pre-trade team, and Fields, who seems to be a forgotten man at times.

We have not become a better team since the trade, while Denver has, and I'll let you reach your own conclusions, which, from what I can see, don't seem to be based on what has actually transpired since the trade.