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franco12
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3/25/2011  10:17 PM
We've changed rosters, and gotten some decent defenders in here. Sure there has been turnover, but the lack of effort on defense, especially to start games, has been a MDA trade mark when he's been here.


When are the MDA apologists going to wake up and realize the one constant has been the coach?
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3/25/2011  10:20 PM
Im no fan of D'Antoni but Turiaf, Jefferies, or Shelden Williams at center isn't intimidating anyone.
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3/25/2011  10:54 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Im no fan of D'Antoni but Turiaf, Jefferies, or Shelden Williams at center isn't intimidating anyone.
The reason those guys are playing center is because of D'Antoni not playing the guys Walsh brought in to play the position.
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3/25/2011  11:06 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Im no fan of D'Antoni but Turiaf, Jefferies, or Shelden Williams at center isn't intimidating anyone.
The reason those guys are playing center is because of D'Antoni not playing the guys Walsh brought in to play the position.

Who are some of those guys? Clearly no one capable of starting at the 5 spot for another franchise.

I mean, Darko, Randolph- those aren't guys that can play in the NBA, are they
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3/25/2011  11:10 PM
franco12 wrote:We've changed rosters, and gotten some decent defenders in here. Sure there has been turnover, but the lack of effort on defense, especially to start games, has been a MDA trade mark when he's been here.


When are the MDA apologists going to wake up and realize the one constant has been the coach?

who are these decent defenders franco12?

Had enough Melo?
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3/25/2011  11:13 PM
franco12 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Im no fan of D'Antoni but Turiaf, Jefferies, or Shelden Williams at center isn't intimidating anyone.
The reason those guys are playing center is because of D'Antoni not playing the guys Walsh brought in to play the position.

Who are some of those guys? Clearly no one capable of starting at the 5 spot for another franchise.

I mean, Darko, Randolph- those aren't guys that can play in the NBA, are they


I believe Darko is leading the league in blocks and while he has been hurt a lot this year he has put up good numbers when he has played. Randolph's season up to the deadline was like Jeffries but he has put up huge numbers the past two games. The Knicks really could have used his youth, size and talent but the coach did not want to put in the work with him and instead shunned him.
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3/25/2011  11:15 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Im no fan of D'Antoni but Turiaf, Jefferies, or Shelden Williams at center isn't intimidating anyone.

We won't have a chance to rightfully upgrade this until the offseason, but we can bring a guy that could help in Barron, but our coach doesn't want it.

And even in the offseason, Im curious to see which type of big man they will try to get, as this coach is allergic to most of them.

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3/25/2011  11:19 PM
TymeLessKnicks wrote:
franco12 wrote:We've changed rosters, and gotten some decent defenders in here. Sure there has been turnover, but the lack of effort on defense, especially to start games, has been a MDA trade mark when he's been here.


When are the MDA apologists going to wake up and realize the one constant has been the coach?

who are these decent defenders franco12?

How about Anthony Carter, Toney Douglas and Balkman? Lets add in Fields and Jefferies.

Mason and Billups.

Those are all decent defenders, and presently on the roster.

And when MDA & Walsh had a chance to keep someone like PEJ who could have brought some defense to this team, they opted instead for outside shooting and offense.
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3/25/2011  11:23 PM
franco12 wrote:
TymeLessKnicks wrote:
franco12 wrote:We've changed rosters, and gotten some decent defenders in here. Sure there has been turnover, but the lack of effort on defense, especially to start games, has been a MDA trade mark when he's been here.


When are the MDA apologists going to wake up and realize the one constant has been the coach?

who are these decent defenders franco12?

How about Anthony Carter, Toney Douglas and Balkman? Lets add in Fields and Jefferies.

Mason and Billups.

Those are all decent defenders, and presently on the roster.

And when MDA & Walsh had a chance to keep someone like PEJ who could have brought some defense to this team, they opted instead for outside shooting and offense.


Williams seems like he was a good choice but D'Antoni also was the guy that kept Roberson over PEJ the first time. It was a sign of things to come. As long as D'Antoni is in NY young guys that are big and great defenders are better off being somewhere else.
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franco12 wrote:
TymeLessKnicks wrote:
franco12 wrote:We've changed rosters, and gotten some decent defenders in here. Sure there has been turnover, but the lack of effort on defense, especially to start games, has been a MDA trade mark when he's been here.


When are the MDA apologists going to wake up and realize the one constant has been the coach?

who are these decent defenders franco12?

How about Anthony Carter, Toney Douglas and Balkman? Lets add in Fields and Jefferies.

Mason and Billups.

Those are all decent defenders, and presently on the roster.

And when MDA & Walsh had a chance to keep someone like PEJ who could have brought some defense to this team, they opted instead for outside shooting and offense.

Anthony Carter played well tonight. defended well and moved the ball.

Toney Douglas gambles on defense almost every play in some games. He can be good but he needs to stop gambling so much and start staying with his man all the way to the hoop.

Balkman is Balkman man. He's Balkman, He's just not good.

Fields is a decent defender.

Jefferies is just a frail 6'11 body. I like him but I dont think he is stopping bogut tonight.

Billups has been nothing short of atrocious on defense.

Did you want PEJ when williams couldnt miss the corner 3?

Had enough Melo?
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3/26/2011  12:07 AM
TymeLessKnicks wrote:
franco12 wrote:
TymeLessKnicks wrote:
franco12 wrote:We've changed rosters, and gotten some decent defenders in here. Sure there has been turnover, but the lack of effort on defense, especially to start games, has been a MDA trade mark when he's been here.


When are the MDA apologists going to wake up and realize the one constant has been the coach?

who are these decent defenders franco12?

How about Anthony Carter, Toney Douglas and Balkman? Lets add in Fields and Jefferies.

Mason and Billups.

Those are all decent defenders, and presently on the roster.

And when MDA & Walsh had a chance to keep someone like PEJ who could have brought some defense to this team, they opted instead for outside shooting and offense.

Anthony Carter played well tonight. defended well and moved the ball.

Toney Douglas gambles on defense almost every play in some games. He can be good but he needs to stop gambling so much and start staying with his man all the way to the hoop.

Balkman is Balkman man. He's Balkman, He's just not good.

Fields is a decent defender.

Jefferies is just a frail 6'11 body. I like him but I dont think he is stopping bogut tonight.

Billups has been nothing short of atrocious on defense.

Did you want PEJ when williams couldnt miss the corner 3?

I wonder if we had a coach with a different defensive philosophy whether Douglas would gamble every time.

And why can't AC get regular action? D'Antoni forgets about him.

No one said JJ could stop Bogut- but if we had a coach who preached effort, maybe we wouldn't be starting games in 10-20 holes every night.
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3/26/2011  12:12 AM
Defense doesn't always have to be about having a big man to clog the middle.

It's about effort, and I have yet to see it during the Dantoni era.
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3/26/2011  12:13 AM
Interior d only prevents 2s'. If we have am extra guy who shoots a 3 that's a 50% advantage. Sorry; winner mda. loser: you.

franco12 wrote:
TymeLessKnicks wrote:
franco12 wrote:We've changed rosters, and gotten some decent defenders in here. Sure there has been turnover, but the lack of effort on defense, especially to start games, has been a MDA trade mark when he's been here.


When are the MDA apologists going to wake up and realize the one constant has been the coach?

who are these decent defenders franco12?

How about Anthony Carter, Toney Douglas and Balkman? Lets add in Fields and Jefferies.

Mason and Billups.

Those are all decent defenders, and presently on the roster.

And when MDA & Walsh had a chance to keep someone like PEJ who could have brought some defense to this team, they opted instead for outside shooting and offense.
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3/26/2011  12:18 AM
What are you guys worrying about? All we have to do is outscore people every night to win. By the way when is DWalsh going to get the right players so we can win?
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3/26/2011  12:28 AM
ADjustments are for losers. Other teams adjust to us!

buddapaw wrote:What are you guys worrying about? All we have to do is outscore people every night to win. By the way when is DWalsh going to get the right players so we can win?
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3/26/2011  4:45 AM
If Dantoni would actually play traditional defense we could maybe be decent but his defense is full of stupid gimmicks. We dont have many good individual defenders but his phlosophy only makes it worse. It can limit interior scores but it gives up way too many uncontested jumpers. Just to add in, Mason and Billups play zero defense. They are not decent at all.
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3/26/2011  4:48 AM
TymeLessKnicks wrote:
franco12 wrote:
TymeLessKnicks wrote:
franco12 wrote:We've changed rosters, and gotten some decent defenders in here. Sure there has been turnover, but the lack of effort on defense, especially to start games, has been a MDA trade mark when he's been here.


When are the MDA apologists going to wake up and realize the one constant has been the coach?

who are these decent defenders franco12?

How about Anthony Carter, Toney Douglas and Balkman? Lets add in Fields and Jefferies.

Mason and Billups.

Those are all decent defenders, and presently on the roster.

And when MDA & Walsh had a chance to keep someone like PEJ who could have brought some defense to this team, they opted instead for outside shooting and offense.

Anthony Carter played well tonight. defended well and moved the ball.

Toney Douglas gambles on defense almost every play in some games. He can be good but he needs to stop gambling so much and start staying with his man all the way to the hoop.

Balkman is Balkman man. He's Balkman, He's just not good.

Fields is a decent defender.

Jefferies is just a frail 6'11 body. I like him but I dont think he is stopping bogut tonight.

Billups has been nothing short of atrocious on defense.

Did you want PEJ when williams couldnt miss the corner 3?


Right on point with everythng except Balkman plays some good defense, but he's like jeffries, you end up playing with 4 guys on offense.
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3/26/2011  10:39 AM
AnubisADL wrote:Im no fan of D'Antoni but Turiaf, Jefferies, or Shelden Williams at center isn't intimidating anyone.

I'll go one step further: When you have a 6'10" guy at PF who does nothing on the defensive end, it's doubles your troubles.

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3/26/2011  10:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/26/2011  10:45 AM
I'd like to see D'Antoni use a larger rotation. If the players are too worn out to play defense then what is the excuse not to go deeper into the bench? If this team were playing well with a shorter rotation then I could see the logic behind it. The playoffs are coming up, what's he gonna do then? Shorten the rotation some more?
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3/26/2011  7:28 PM
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Im no fan of D'Antoni but Turiaf, Jefferies, or Shelden Williams at center isn't intimidating anyone.

I'll go one step further: When you have a 6'10" guy at PF who does nothing on the defensive end, it's doubles your troubles.

Not that it makes us championship contenders, but signing Barron now would give us a 7'0" that... Man, I've written this so much, everytime it makes sense yet its not gonna happen.

Its so much better to start a spent Amar'e and SF Shawne at PF with a big man rotation of Jeffries, Sheldon Will and, ehmm... Crystal Turiaf whenever he can get healthy again...

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