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crzymdups
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3/20/2011  6:06 PM
I think benching him is not really an option for this team - but Billups looks terrible. My plan for this team would be to draft a PG and then try to sign a center in the off-season with the $10M in caproom we get by waiving Billups.

He's not running the offense, he's not defending well. He looks like a shell of the player we saw even at the beginning of his tenure here.

I'm guessing the leg is still not right. But if it isn't, maybe he needs to rest it more?

Good lord, he looks horrible.

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3/20/2011  6:14 PM
He looks really bad. You saw in the game thread how another poster mentioned the offense flowed better with Douglas in there and I tend to agree, since Douglas can then give it to Melo to move the ball if need be.

I guess we have the rest of the year to try Billups out. No doubt he is, or at least was, a great pg but I think it's a matter of this system. Also, we are not great defensively and he just adds to that. We need some balance.

If we don't pick up his option we still won't have but 5 million or so for other players. I doubt that is a better scenario, unless we find a Nugget of a young player (note pun), which is rare.

Really MElo, why couldn't you have just said no to Jersey, we would at least have had Mos and some assemblance of a center. We could have had assets to build a really nice deep team, now we are in Miami's situation, with less defense and talent...

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3/20/2011  6:17 PM
He isn't running the offense and isn't really a good fit for this style of play...If we were able to hold onto Felton, the offense would look a lot smoother and it would be easier to assimilate Melo into the flow...I also wonder if he is head strong thinking he knows how to run a team better...PG play, defense and a big man is the Knicks' biggest problem right now...
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3/20/2011  6:25 PM
holfresh wrote:He isn't running the offense and isn't really a good fit for this style of play...If we were able to hold onto Felton, the offense would look a lot smoother and it would be easier to assimilate Melo into the flow...I also wonder if he is head strong thinking he knows how to run a team better...PG play, defense and a big man is the Knicks' biggest problem right now...

"If a frog had wings he would not bump his ass so much"

Chauncey is homesick for Denver Colorado. Don't get me started on the blatantly obvious big man deficit.

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3/20/2011  6:31 PM
I wont say he's shot, but Billups has never been a pure pg. He is more of a lead guard that doesn't make his teammates better in terms of getting them easier shots. I can count on one finger the number of successful pick-n-rols he's run with Stat. Makes big shots but takes too many tough ones.
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3/20/2011  6:32 PM
misterearl wrote:
holfresh wrote:He isn't running the offense and isn't really a good fit for this style of play...If we were able to hold onto Felton, the offense would look a lot smoother and it would be easier to assimilate Melo into the flow...I also wonder if he is head strong thinking he knows how to run a team better...PG play, defense and a big man is the Knicks' biggest problem right now...

"If a frog had wings he would not bump his ass so much"

Chauncey is homesick for Denver Colorado. Don't get me started on the blatantly obvious big man deficit.

We are the best soap opera in pro sports

is a season free of being the best soap opera in pro sports too much to ask?!

...i guess it is.

Had enough Melo?
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3/20/2011  6:34 PM
TymeLessKnicks wrote:
misterearl wrote:
holfresh wrote:He isn't running the offense and isn't really a good fit for this style of play...If we were able to hold onto Felton, the offense would look a lot smoother and it would be easier to assimilate Melo into the flow...I also wonder if he is head strong thinking he knows how to run a team better...PG play, defense and a big man is the Knicks' biggest problem right now...

"If a frog had wings he would not bump his ass so much"

Chauncey is homesick for Denver Colorado. Don't get me started on the blatantly obvious big man deficit.

We are the best soap opera in pro sports

is a season free of being the best soap opera in pro sports too much to ask?!

...i guess it is.

The soap opera usually starts right here....

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3/20/2011  6:36 PM
holfresh wrote:
TymeLessKnicks wrote:
misterearl wrote:
holfresh wrote:He isn't running the offense and isn't really a good fit for this style of play...If we were able to hold onto Felton, the offense would look a lot smoother and it would be easier to assimilate Melo into the flow...I also wonder if he is head strong thinking he knows how to run a team better...PG play, defense and a big man is the Knicks' biggest problem right now...

"If a frog had wings he would not bump his ass so much"

Chauncey is homesick for Denver Colorado. Don't get me started on the blatantly obvious big man deficit.

We are the best soap opera in pro sports

is a season free of being the best soap opera in pro sports too much to ask?!

...i guess it is.

The soap opera usually starts right here....

it starts on the court.

Had enough Melo?
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3/20/2011  6:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/20/2011  6:42 PM
misterearl wrote:
holfresh wrote:He isn't running the offense and isn't really a good fit for this style of play...If we were able to hold onto Felton, the offense would look a lot smoother and it would be easier to assimilate Melo into the flow...I also wonder if he is head strong thinking he knows how to run a team better...PG play, defense and a big man is the Knicks' biggest problem right now...

"If a frog had wings he would not bump his ass so much"

Chauncey is homesick for Denver Colorado. Don't get me started on the blatantly obvious big man deficit.

We are the best soap opera in pro sports

Sorry, Answer Man. This time you are incorrect. Due to the Madoff scandal, the Mets are BY FAR the biggest soap opera in sports. Knicks may have a lock on first place in hoops, but not all sports. It's not even close.

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3/20/2011  6:52 PM
Moonangie wrote:
misterearl wrote:
holfresh wrote:He isn't running the offense and isn't really a good fit for this style of play...If we were able to hold onto Felton, the offense would look a lot smoother and it would be easier to assimilate Melo into the flow...I also wonder if he is head strong thinking he knows how to run a team better...PG play, defense and a big man is the Knicks' biggest problem right now...

"If a frog had wings he would not bump his ass so much"

Chauncey is homesick for Denver Colorado. Don't get me started on the blatantly obvious big man deficit.

We are the best soap opera in pro sports

Sorry, Answer Man. This time you are incorrect. Due to the Madoff scandal, the Mets are BY FAR the biggest soap opera in sports. Knicks may have a lock on first place in hoops, but not all sports. It's not even close.

Moonangie - true, the Mets have their share of controversy and transition. The whole Madoff mess is a family tragedy.

However in terms of national media attention, endless trade speculation, front office espionage and celebrity appearances the Mets story cannot hold a candle to the Knicks.

It's a Broadway show!

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3/20/2011  6:57 PM
If nobody cared about ego, I'd say the best way to go is starting Douglas at PG, run the offense through Melo and Amar'e like we did in our only successful stretch with this new team and get Billups off the bench in the Douglas "microwave" offense until he gets used to this system.
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3/20/2011  7:18 PM
Agreed on Billups.

He has been brutal since returning from the injury. I almost want to say that we shouldn't have thrown him into the starting lineup as soon as he returned, but it's even tough for me to blame D'Antoni for that because he's probably thinking "we don't have many games left, got to start Chauncey to get him to develop some chemistry with Melo/Amare in time for the playoffs."

It's just a tough situation right now. I think we're all frustrated as hell but if this team starts to click in time for the playoffs, we'll all be glad that we went through this now instead of round 1.

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3/20/2011  7:24 PM
Billups looks old. I mean he can still be solid but he needs to be relegated to running the offense and not being our third scorer.
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3/20/2011  7:26 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Billups looks old. I mean he can still be solid but he needs to be relegated to running the offense and not being our third scorer.

This is what shocks me the most about Billups' play since his injury. He is either very bad in general or bad because of his injury. I want to believe the later but who knows.

But if he is bad because of his injury - can't push off legs for shot or exploding to rim for layup or lateral movement when guarding guys - why doesn't he become more of an orchestrator versus a 3rd scorer?

Very odd considering he should be a smarter player.

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3/20/2011  7:47 PM
I think this whole thing is about finding a balance with players that are used to different roles. They have to try and figure out how they can all work together given their very different styles of play. It's a much more difficult thing than I anticipated. For one thing, if you're putting stars together, they're not like role players. The star has a very strong sense of who he is and how he wants to play. How he's successful versus how the team may need him to play. That's what I see happening. CB and Melo are having a hard time playing roles, cuz they're not role players per se. They're used to being able to just be who they are, which is at odds with what we do here. This is a system team and things work best when guys submit to that team oriented style.

This involves changing how you think on the floor and I think the new guys need to do a better job of fitting in. The team as a whole seems to do better when we play our original style, so CB and Melo have to be the ones to make a change. I think in time that can happen, so i'm not panicking even tho things look horrible right now. The potential for this team to play at a high level is still there, once they get on the same page.

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3/20/2011  7:52 PM
Billups is a scorer. He can't run the pick and roll and it kills our ball movement. Felton was 100X the defender. Billups is still a good player and one of the better pg's in the league though.
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3/20/2011  7:55 PM
So now we need a legit center andd a new point guard...good grief.
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3/20/2011  8:01 PM
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Billups looks old. I mean he can still be solid but he needs to be relegated to running the offense and not being our third scorer.

This is what shocks me the most about Billups' play since his injury. He is either very bad in general or bad because of his injury. I want to believe the later but who knows.

But if he is bad because of his injury - can't push off legs for shot or exploding to rim for layup or lateral movement when guarding guys - why doesn't he become more of an orchestrator versus a 3rd scorer?

Very odd considering he should be a smarter player.

Yep very disappointed in what I am seeing since post iinjury return. Not reakly sure why it's taking him so long to adjust, Felton took time as well. Maybe the system is hard to grasp for PGs at first?

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3/20/2011  8:23 PM
loweyecue wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Billups looks old. I mean he can still be solid but he needs to be relegated to running the offense and not being our third scorer.

This is what shocks me the most about Billups' play since his injury. He is either very bad in general or bad because of his injury. I want to believe the later but who knows.

But if he is bad because of his injury - can't push off legs for shot or exploding to rim for layup or lateral movement when guarding guys - why doesn't he become more of an orchestrator versus a 3rd scorer?

Very odd considering he should be a smarter player.

Yep very disappointed in what I am seeing since post iinjury return. Not reakly sure why it's taking him so long to adjust, Felton took time as well. Maybe the system is hard to grasp for PGs at first?

He's old man. He isnt going to bounce back quickly from injuries. It also doesnt help that we dont have a consistent 3rd scorer.

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3/20/2011  8:37 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Billups looks old. I mean he can still be solid but he needs to be relegated to running the offense and not being our third scorer.

This is what shocks me the most about Billups' play since his injury. He is either very bad in general or bad because of his injury. I want to believe the later but who knows.

But if he is bad because of his injury - can't push off legs for shot or exploding to rim for layup or lateral movement when guarding guys - why doesn't he become more of an orchestrator versus a 3rd scorer?

Very odd considering he should be a smarter player.

Yep very disappointed in what I am seeing since post iinjury return. Not reakly sure why it's taking him so long to adjust, Felton took time as well. Maybe the system is hard to grasp for PGs at first?

He's old man. He isnt going to bounce back quickly from injuries. It also doesnt help that we dont have a consistent 3rd scorer.

for me it isn't injury so much decision making. I mean, the dude could just have a bad injury, there is no 2 ways around that, whether you are 25 or 45.

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