It is noted in a few news articles, which can be accessed from the ultimateknicks.com front page, that Melo walked past reporters after the game with a "no comment", a sign of ill temper at that moment.

A winner, a man who wins, or we can just call it a 'man', can be discerned and differentiated from a loser, or let's say a weak man, by the way he reacts to failure, to a loss.

It is childish and a sign of weakness to become silent, ignore questions, and run to the security of the team bus after such a terrible personal performance and even worse team loss.

A winning man would squarely address the questions presented to him after the game, explain, frankly, what he thinks went wrong and what he will do to correct the problem. A loser will retreat to his turtle shell and throw on a brat face and run to the team bus.

Hey, we saw him chiding hard working teammates on the floor after the Jeffries 0.3 loop. It leaves me wondering how he will act behind the scenes after this fiasco.

A leader, Melo is not. A winner, he is not. A man, no. The next Marbury, our next sunken decade? Yes.

*siren noise*

Oh, that's the Hyperbole Police coming to take you away, and lock you up in Exaggeration-traz. I think I made my point. Eloquent

Whether he starts to play team ball more effectively here remains to be seen. I hope he can. The pouting on the court last night was unacceptable.

I think NY has been brutal to A-Rod until they banked a chip.

Some stars talk more than they do. Coming to NY is what he wanted but one should be careful.

He needs to take his talent and expand on it on the court and off of it. NY is tough but if you embrace it you can fit in.

Yeah, we hold him at a higher standard than "The Departed" yoots because he does.

The eyes of the basketball world are upon Melo.

Then you have Billups who looks out of his mind lately. I can't put my finger on what is wrong with him. He just hasn't been playing like he usually does. He's making dumb decisions. Turning the ball over on awful passes. Just really odd. I can only assume that he's just going thru a phase. We really NEED him to get his head together, cuz we can't depend on TD to make this team work as it should.

Melo has to understand that this is a new situation. He needed to relax and try to find other ways to get involved, not sulk. I completely understand why he was upset, cuz TD was buggin out. There's no reason to look off one of your top 2 stars as many times as he did last night. Thing is he did it to Amar'e too. I don't know what he's thinking sometimes, but that was wrong. Still Melo has to be able to pull TD aside and talk to him about things like that. I don't think he felt comfortable doing that, but he needs to.

orangeblobman wrote:You can't ignore a player's character when evaluating his usefulness to the team.

Big numbers and dunk shot talent are superficial qualities that appeal to children and mentally stagnated adults.

If you enjoy the hoops game and can see past the glitz and glamor of the NBA hype apparatus, the writing is on the wall, Melo is not a team baller and has a childish approach to life, to the hoops game.

A player's character, the way he lives his life, is manifested in the way he drops the buckets. Melo isn't all there, he doesn't understand what it takes to win the way a Tim Duncan understands, the way Kobe Bryant understands, the way Micheal Jordan understood. The Spurs, Lakers, and Bulls never came to the point of trading their superstar player away. The Nuggets breathed a collective sigh of relief after Melodrama left and are playing solid team ball.

It's hard to come to terms with the fact that the Knicks went balls deep for the star appeal, but come to terms we must. It's not about the hoops buckets here, it's about the season tickets, the dresses, the glitz and the spit shine, it's not about basketball in the Mecca because, well, it doesn't have to be. It's the only market in the country that will sell out every game for a decade for a team that averages 30 wins a year.

Can you blame Dolan? If it were about bucket dropping and wins, Melo would not be here. But it's about the hype and image, and we're in for 10 more years of a fancy image and no wins.

what is basis that you are evaluating Melo's character? and "his childish approach to life, to the hoops game"?

orangeblobman wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:You can't ignore a player's character when evaluating his usefulness to the team.

Big numbers and dunk shot talent are superficial qualities that appeal to children and mentally stagnated adults.

If you enjoy the hoops game and can see past the glitz and glamor of the NBA hype apparatus, the writing is on the wall, Melo is not a team baller and has a childish approach to life, to the hoops game.

A player's character, the way he lives his life, is manifested in the way he drops the buckets. Melo isn't all there, he doesn't understand what it takes to win the way a Tim Duncan understands, the way Kobe Bryant understands, the way Micheal Jordan understood. The Spurs, Lakers, and Bulls never came to the point of trading their superstar player away. The Nuggets breathed a collective sigh of relief after Melodrama left and are playing solid team ball.

It's hard to come to terms with the fact that the Knicks went balls deep for the star appeal, but come to terms we must. It's not about the hoops buckets here, it's about the season tickets, the dresses, the glitz and the spit shine, it's not about basketball in the Mecca because, well, it doesn't have to be. It's the only market in the country that will sell out every game for a decade for a team that averages 30 wins a year.

Can you blame Dolan? If it were about bucket dropping and wins, Melo would not be here. But it's about the hype and image, and we're in for 10 more years of a fancy image and no wins.

what is basis that you are evaluating Melo's character? and "his childish approach to life, to the hoops game"?

Mature men with fully developed personalities don't react the way Melo did after the Detroit game. You're fooling yourself if you're rationalizing his behavior. For a rookie, hey, I would say he's growing. But this is a player you're paying max cash and banking the future of your team on. If he's not there yet, I don't see when he will be.

His actions after the Jeffries 0.3 second loop, we can point to that, too. It's documented.

Sadly, examples abound for our dear Melo.

I'm not rationalizing anything. I am trying to figure out if this has anything to do with tattoos, headbands, where he's from, and his genetic composition

SupremeCommander wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:You can't ignore a player's character when evaluating his usefulness to the team.

Big numbers and dunk shot talent are superficial qualities that appeal to children and mentally stagnated adults.

If you enjoy the hoops game and can see past the glitz and glamor of the NBA hype apparatus, the writing is on the wall, Melo is not a team baller and has a childish approach to life, to the hoops game.

A player's character, the way he lives his life, is manifested in the way he drops the buckets. Melo isn't all there, he doesn't understand what it takes to win the way a Tim Duncan understands, the way Kobe Bryant understands, the way Micheal Jordan understood. The Spurs, Lakers, and Bulls never came to the point of trading their superstar player away. The Nuggets breathed a collective sigh of relief after Melodrama left and are playing solid team ball.

It's hard to come to terms with the fact that the Knicks went balls deep for the star appeal, but come to terms we must. It's not about the hoops buckets here, it's about the season tickets, the dresses, the glitz and the spit shine, it's not about basketball in the Mecca because, well, it doesn't have to be. It's the only market in the country that will sell out every game for a decade for a team that averages 30 wins a year.

Can you blame Dolan? If it were about bucket dropping and wins, Melo would not be here. But it's about the hype and image, and we're in for 10 more years of a fancy image and no wins.

what is basis that you are evaluating Melo's character? and "his childish approach to life, to the hoops game"?

Mature men with fully developed personalities don't react the way Melo did after the Detroit game. You're fooling yourself if you're rationalizing his behavior. For a rookie, hey, I would say he's growing. But this is a player you're paying max cash and banking the future of your team on. If he's not there yet, I don't see when he will be.

His actions after the Jeffries 0.3 second loop, we can point to that, too. It's documented.

Sadly, examples abound for our dear Melo.

I'm not rationalizing anything. I am trying to figure out if this has anything to do with tattoos, headbands, where he's from, and his genetic composition

The OBM is a higher plane.