The question is to what degree is that true of all teams?

On the telecast last night, I think they said the Grizzlies don't shoot/make a lot of threes - clearly, they don't need it like we do.

Championship teams find a way to win if one part of their game, like shooting, is off.

With the talent of Amare and Melo- we should shift a lot more and try to get more FT's.

nixluva wrote:This is a mistaken assumption of what the focus of the offense is. This is a spread offense and much like a spread offense in football it's designed to put a defense on it's heels and at a disadvantage in terms of stopping your ability to attack. The initial focus isn't to take a 3. We want high efficiency offense and that means midrange and in. We're trying to get PnR or single coverage on STAT or Melo. What happens in some games is that the defense decides to concentrate on stopping our big guns and this leads to open 3's. That's why we have high % 3pt shooters. We make teams pay for overplaying our inside offense. The only problem is if our players settle for taking 3's as a primary attack as opposed to working the ball and letting it come in the flow of the offense. Last night most of the 3's came after good passing. That is almost always going to be a good thing. Later in the game we were able to get Amar'e some great looks inside due to them trying to stop the 3.

This team is one of the best offensive teams in the league for a reason. We're more than just a 3pt chucking team. Sure if we're hitting then we can't be beat, but that's far from living and dying by the 3. our primary offense is still STAT and Melo.

this is an excericise in semantics. yes, the point is to put an opponent on their heels and allows the players options. the option tha tis executed more often than not is the three ball. it is a significantly volatile and lacks consistency

knicks1248 wrote:All of a sudden melo is shooting above 40% from 3pt...after shooting in the low 30's for his career...you know why. Most of the 3pt attemps are wide open because of the system..its just a system that developes into guys being left open..these 3pt attemps are not just guys jacking up 3's, players are usually set waiting for the kick out or defenders going under the pnr and giving the ball handler ample space to take a open 3..

It what it is, they take 100's of 3's during practice...

agreed. though, I think the a quality team like the Boston Celtics will invite the Knicks to take threes come the postseason. because at the end of the game they'll out execute the Knicks. this style doe snot lend itself well to the end of games

SupremeCommander wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:All of a sudden melo is shooting above 40% from 3pt...after shooting in the low 30's for his career...you know why. Most of the 3pt attemps are wide open because of the system..its just a system that developes into guys being left open..these 3pt attemps are not just guys jacking up 3's, players are usually set waiting for the kick out or defenders going under the pnr and giving the ball handler ample space to take a open 3..

It what it is, they take 100's of 3's during practice...

agreed. though, I think the a quality team like the Boston Celtics will invite the Knicks to take threes come the postseason. because at the end of the game they'll out execute the Knicks. this style doe snot lend itself well to the end of games

This hasn't born itself out in most of our games. Most of the time we've gone ISO and we have excellent ISO options.

As Martin points out, our offense isn't a problem. If we can defend that's what will be the difference in wins and losses. last nights game was really about the defense. It wasn't great D, but it was sufficient.

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:All of a sudden melo is shooting above 40% from 3pt...after shooting in the low 30's for his career...you know why. Most of the 3pt attemps are wide open because of the system..its just a system that developes into guys being left open..these 3pt attemps are not just guys jacking up 3's, players are usually set waiting for the kick out or defenders going under the pnr and giving the ball handler ample space to take a open 3..

It what it is, they take 100's of 3's during practice...

agreed. though, I think the a quality team like the Boston Celtics will invite the Knicks to take threes come the postseason. because at the end of the game they'll out execute the Knicks. this style doe snot lend itself well to the end of games

This hasn't born itself out in most of our games. Most of the time we've gone ISO and we have excellent ISO options.

As Martin points out, our offense isn't a problem. If we can defend that's what will be the difference in wins and losses. last nights game was really about the defense. It wasn't great D, but it was sufficient.

remember when Shawne Williams didn't take that shot? Or Amar'e's getting waived off? Or Melo hitting but leaving 4 seconds on the clock?

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:All of a sudden melo is shooting above 40% from 3pt...after shooting in the low 30's for his career...you know why. Most of the 3pt attemps are wide open because of the system..its just a system that developes into guys being left open..these 3pt attemps are not just guys jacking up 3's, players are usually set waiting for the kick out or defenders going under the pnr and giving the ball handler ample space to take a open 3..

It what it is, they take 100's of 3's during practice...

agreed. though, I think the a quality team like the Boston Celtics will invite the Knicks to take threes come the postseason. because at the end of the game they'll out execute the Knicks. this style doe snot lend itself well to the end of games

This hasn't born itself out in most of our games. Most of the time we've gone ISO and we have excellent ISO options.

As Martin points out, our offense isn't a problem. If we can defend that's what will be the difference in wins and losses. last nights game was really about the defense. It wasn't great D, but it was sufficient.

remember when Shawne Williams didn't take that shot? Or Amar'e's getting waived off? Or Melo hitting but leaving 4 seconds on the clock?

There have been more games where we went with STAT or Melo than games like the ones you just sited. We have closers in STAT, Melo and Chauncey and more often than not those guys will be involved in our crunchtime plays. This is the reason we got Melo, cuz teams were able to take away STAT, but now it's going to be much tougher to stop all 3 of them.

well I hope you're right. But I'm more cocnerned about the inevitable hiccup the team has in the minutes leading up to the final second shot. The fact that no lead feels safe. I agree with martin there, that is best solved by fixing the defense, but this offense is CERTAINLY drought prone. Give me a week and I can give you a large dataset of prolonged droughts this team has experienced. And I'm willing to bet the majority of those shots were taken from deep

nixluva wrote:This is a mistaken assumption of what the focus of the offense is. This is a spread offense and much like a spread offense in football it's designed to put a defense on it's heels and at a disadvantage in terms of stopping your ability to attack. The initial focus isn't to take a 3. We want high efficiency offense and that means midrange and in. We're trying to get PnR or single coverage on STAT or Melo. What happens in some games is that the defense decides to concentrate on stopping our big guns and this leads to open 3's. That's why we have high % 3pt shooters. We make teams pay for overplaying our inside offense. The only problem is if our players settle for taking 3's as a primary attack as opposed to working the ball and letting it come in the flow of the offense. Last night most of the 3's came after good passing. That is almost always going to be a good thing. Later in the game we were able to get Amar'e some great looks inside due to them trying to stop the 3.

This team is one of the best offensive teams in the league for a reason. We're more than just a 3pt chucking team. Sure if we're hitting then we can't be beat, but that's far from living and dying by the 3. our primary offense is still STAT and Melo.

i feel like that's the problem. when the 3s don't go down, the flow of the offense comes to a screeching halt with guys forcing up shots. one would hope that they some how get the P&R going again.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:I praise Dantoni for his offensive system and how he has been able to develop his players' careers.

But being the best offensive team and the worst defensive team is just too extreme. You're not going to win a ring that way.

D'AnToni doesn't really develop players. All he does is improve their shooting situations namely 3pt shooting. I'll say what his scheme is good at is spacing the defense out forcing teams to pick what to take away and depending on where the ball flows determines how much a player is successful in his system. But Douglas looks every bit nothing like a point guard. He looks like prime Eddie House/Barbosa. If you call that development uhhh okay.

This a recipe for failure. It'll be fun to watch and their will be some amazing nights, but this does not and will not win rings. What's more, the Knicks haven't known how to stop a last minute three (or barrage thereof) since JVG left. If you can't defend against when it counts, it doesn't matter how many you make. I've literally seen them die by the threes of their opponents in crunch time. I actually like Mike, but things have to change (beyond revamping of depth) for this team to contend.