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3/15/2011  1:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/15/2011  1:32 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=6217837

So is he implying we have ball stoppers? Also why is he primarily concerned with what's happening in the offense? He's not mincing any words here. He's totally blaming our two best players.
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3/15/2011  1:30 PM
Oh and for whoever was making excuses for Billups needing time to learn his new digs......coach thinks otherwise

He also noted thought that neither Billups nor Douglas looked comfortable in their respective roles now that the 34-year-old veteran is back in the fold.

When asked how long he expected it to take Douglas and Billups to get acclimated again, D'Anonti said "it should be done. We can't afford [to wait]."
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3/15/2011  1:39 PM
D'Antoni is going get fired this summer so it doesn't even matter.
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3/15/2011  1:46 PM
AnubisADL wrote:D'Antoni is going get fired this summer so it doesn't even matter.

To use his own words from the article...."Maybe It's Inevitable"....<------This is staring nail in the coffin in the face

He was on board for the trade right?
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3/15/2011  1:46 PM
Juice wrote:http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=6217837

So is he implying we have ball stoppers? Also why is he primarily concerned with what's happening in the offense? He's not mincing any words here. He's totally blaming our two best players.

i don't think he was implying it, he pretty much came out and said it, regarding ball stoppers. And this is an article that focused primarily on what the Knicks were doing on offense, so why do you think all of the quotes were about the offense. Duh, right?

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3/15/2011  1:49 PM
Juice wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:D'Antoni is going get fired this summer so it doesn't even matter.

To use his own words from the article...."Maybe It's Inevitable"....<------This is staring nail in the coffin in the face

He was on board for the trade right?

really, what kind of question is this? Only a coach or employee who wants to be immediately fired would outright say that the trade was a horrific one. This "on board" for the trade is such a grey area, was he on board for Moz inclusion? No. Was he on board for adding Melo? Sure. Was he one board for losing Chandler/Gallo? Prob no, but getting Melo makes him more on board than off board.

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3/15/2011  1:49 PM
AnubisADL wrote:D'Antoni is going get fired this summer so it doesn't even matter.

why?

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3/15/2011  1:52 PM
Juice wrote:Oh and for whoever was making excuses for Billups needing time to learn his new digs......coach thinks otherwise

He also noted thought that neither Billups nor Douglas looked comfortable in their respective roles now that the 34-year-old veteran is back in the fold.

When asked how long he expected it to take Douglas and Billups to get acclimated again, D'Anonti said "it should be done. We can't afford [to wait]."

your interpretation is wrong. What MDA is saying is that it is necessary that both of them acclimate, not that it wouldn't or shouldn't take time. Mostly that's just a product of not too many more games left in the season.

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3/15/2011  2:01 PM
Martin, do you think D'Antoni is still the right choice for us as a coach? I don't have any agenda pro or con to him, but this does seem like a team that isn't well suited for his offense and the questions on defense seem to never die. I believe he can make this offense run efficiently with our main guys Melo, Amar'e and Billups, but it really seems defense is secondary and like it or not, defense wins championships in the NBA.

Personally I don't believe the Knicks, now with Melo and Billups, should keep D'Antoni. This team seems to be moving towards a more traditional contending team, one that will be moved by its stars and by the defensive play of each in the rotation. But what do you think?

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3/15/2011  2:03 PM
Again, here is the problem.

When Carmelo and Amare want to play in a team concept they can work well together. When they want to play defense they can.

But, they simply don't always care. Amare needs his shots, Melo needs his shots.

You build a title with superstars, yes. But no title team in the past 20 years has had a team of offensive players that don't play defense.

So again you're asking two guys making 22 million a year to be defenders. Good luck. It's not the coaches fault.
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3/15/2011  2:08 PM

When we grow up and sign 20 mil per year contracts and the coach tells you what to do and you don't do it then its really on the players.

They say its a players league now. THis is what is meant.

They can fire him and bring in a fresh face but the fact would remain you can only coach but so much.

Glory only comes from sacrifice. Championships are won by the TEAM and everyone is bought in.

Im ok with this team not doing much this year and would reserve my expectations for next based on the roster and its potential.

But Since games this season do matter and these guys wanted to be here and wanted the pressure and all the spoils that NYC can offer, then you gotta bone up and bring the results. Even if its just been a few games.

Season Tix are being sold now.

They under some pressure.
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3/15/2011  2:15 PM
This may be a players' league, but you still need a playbook to win in the NBA. Stars have all the talent and role players help the cause, but they won't do anything right if they aren't on the same page as a team and that is the coach's responsability. In our case, D'Antoni has it against himself that the new players are still adjusting to the system. Billups was just coming back from injury. But there is no excuse to the terrible defense we keep seeing from them. That is a problem we've had for a while and it seems we can't get a consistent effort from the team. The switching, for example, is a terrible idea that seems to be our main defensive strategy.
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Nalod wrote:
When we grow up and sign 20 mil per year contracts and the coach tells you what to do and you don't do it then its really on the players.

They say its a players league now. THis is what is meant.

They can fire him and bring in a fresh face but the fact would remain you can only coach but so much.

Glory only comes from sacrifice. Championships are won by the TEAM and everyone is bought in.

Im ok with this team not doing much this year and would reserve my expectations for next based on the roster and its potential.

But Since games this season do matter and these guys wanted to be here and wanted the pressure and all the spoils that NYC can offer, then you gotta bone up and bring the results. Even if its just been a few games.

Season Tix are being sold now.

They under some pressure.

If we bring in a new coach, it needs to be a coach who can coach stars and that is not easy to find. Phil Jackson is retiring from the lakers this offseason and I think that maybe ego and offseason can mix and Jackson who is an ex knick can become the Knicks savior.

This is a perfect situation for him. Stars are already in place and he can be the guy to make it happen.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/15/2011  2:23 PM
earn your big bucks mike. get these guys to play the way you want them to. because you rightfully take the fall if you can't do it.
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3/15/2011  2:29 PM
I think this is well played by Pringles. There isn't time to **** around. Get her done
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3/15/2011  2:31 PM
Knicksfan wrote:Martin, do you think D'Antoni is still the right choice for us as a coach? I don't have any agenda pro or con to him, but this does seem like a team that isn't well suited for his offense and the questions on defense seem to never die. I believe he can make this offense run efficiently with our main guys Melo, Amar'e and Billups, but it really seems defense is secondary and like it or not, defense wins championships in the NBA.

Personally I don't believe the Knicks, now with Melo and Billups, should keep D'Antoni. This team seems to be moving towards a more traditional contending team, one that will be moved by its stars and by the defensive play of each in the rotation. But what do you think?

I have no idea if MDA is the right coach, but I do know that he has had 2 or more distinct sets of players each and every year he has been in NY. How can anyone be fairly judged on that type of lack-of-continuity?

If Riley had first coached the 90's Knicks would everyone have said that he was a defensive-only coach and probably should never be on a 80's Lakers-like team with Worthy, Magic, Kareem? I mean, those Knicks were INEPT at getting baskets when they needed them; was that Riley's fault or did the Knicks just not have talent within the offense?

I don't understand the argument that MDA can't coach defense. He has never had players that doubled as defensive players, and so to maximize his teams' output with the Suns, he maximized the offense, which kind of makes sense to me. On his PHO teams, he never had a big, defensive, intimidating C; he had Amare at PF and we all know his lack of defensive skills and even effort on that end of the court; and he had Nash, who for all of his wonders on offense is a major league SIV on defense (and when he either goes under a pick, which he does more than Duhon, or when his guy blows past him, it makes the C/PF do double duty and they weren't strong to begin with).

It's like giving Jeff Gordon a Civic Hatchback and asking him to win a NASCAR event. Does it make him a bad NASCAR driver or did he really ever have a chance?

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martin wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:Martin, do you think D'Antoni is still the right choice for us as a coach? I don't have any agenda pro or con to him, but this does seem like a team that isn't well suited for his offense and the questions on defense seem to never die. I believe he can make this offense run efficiently with our main guys Melo, Amar'e and Billups, but it really seems defense is secondary and like it or not, defense wins championships in the NBA.

Personally I don't believe the Knicks, now with Melo and Billups, should keep D'Antoni. This team seems to be moving towards a more traditional contending team, one that will be moved by its stars and by the defensive play of each in the rotation. But what do you think?

I have no idea if MDA is the right coach, but I do know that he has had 2 or more distinct sets of players each and every year he has been in NY. How can anyone be fairly judged on that type of lack-of-continuity?

If Riley had first coached the 90's Knicks would everyone have said that he was a defensive-only coach and probably should never be on a 80's Lakers-like team with Worthy, Magic, Kareem? I mean, those Knicks were INEPT at getting baskets when they needed them; was that Riley's fault or did the Knicks just not have talent within the offense?

I don't understand the argument that MDA can't coach defense. He has never had players that doubled as defensive players, and so to maximize his teams' output with the Suns, he maximized the offense, which kind of makes sense to me. On his PHO teams, he never had a big, defensive, intimidating C; he had Amare at PF and we all know his lack of defensive skills and even effort on that end of the court; and he had Nash, who for all of his wonders on offense is a major league SIV on defense (and when he either goes under a pick, which he does more than Duhon, or when his guy blows past him, it makes the C/PF do double duty and they weren't strong to begin with).

It's like giving Jeff Gordon a Civic Hatchback and asking him to win a NASCAR event. Does it make him a bad NASCAR driver or did he really ever have a chance?


Hardly anyone minded D'antoni's ineptitude for the first few years because of the lack of talent on this roster. There were no all stars, the young guys needed time to mature, and the team just wasn't playoff ready. He needed the right guys to run his offensive system. Now that he has two perennial all star caliber players, his weaknesses are clearly beginning to show. The team can produce offensively, which is what he wanted. However, the defense still remains a glaring issue, just like it was in his earlier Knicks days. The excuses are beginning to fade by the day with this coach. He advocated the Melo trade, which is why I don't even know why some D'antoni supporters are blaming the trade for this team's lack of defensive commitment. D'antoni got a free pass when the team was filled with bottom feeders. Now its his job to get his all star caliber roster to commit to a defensive philosophy, but we have still yet to see results.
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3/15/2011  2:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/15/2011  3:00 PM
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Juice wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:D'Antoni is going get fired this summer so it doesn't even matter.

To use his own words from the article...."Maybe It's Inevitable"....<------This is staring nail in the coffin in the face

He was on board for the trade right?

really, what kind of question is this? Only a coach or employee who wants to be immediately fired would outright say that the trade was a horrific one. This "on board" for the trade is such a grey area, was he on board for Moz inclusion? No. Was he on board for adding Melo? Sure. Was he one board for losing Chandler/Gallo? Prob no, but getting Melo makes him more on board than off board.

What I'm saying is..... if it were true he was 100% on board he'd go to bat for these guys like he did with Amar'e and Felton early in the year when they were struggling or like he did with Duhon when he was struggling even late in the season. Martin I was not implying he should have been stomping his feet the whole time the trade was being discussed in protest to his employer.

I see a totally different tone now that the anty has been raised.

As fas as my other questions they were moreso to get true perspective of what's been said here and to highlight regardless of whatever our problems are with the team, since he's been here.... when he talks openly in the media usually it's about offense.

Look we can win some games even with ball stoppage if we showed any signs we cared about the other end of the floor. I think it's understood we acquired ball needy players in Amar'e and Melo and we can win games with them playing this way regardless if it's desirable....they are who they are. But the way things are going and how they have to approach the game going forward with this coach it's as if everyone is a rookie or just about to come off the rookie scale contract trying to break bad habits. Come on we acquired battle tested vets 2 of which are supposed Top 20 players for sure. Yet everything is still so complicated
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3/15/2011  2:47 PM
martin wrote:
Juice wrote:Oh and for whoever was making excuses for Billups needing time to learn his new digs......coach thinks otherwise

He also noted thought that neither Billups nor Douglas looked comfortable in their respective roles now that the 34-year-old veteran is back in the fold.

When asked how long he expected it to take Douglas and Billups to get acclimated again, D'Anonti said "it should be done. We can't afford [to wait]."

your interpretation is wrong. What MDA is saying is that it is necessary that both of them acclimate, not that it wouldn't or shouldn't take time. Mostly that's just a product of not too many more games left in the season.

I see this one differently but I can respect what you're saying here.
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3/15/2011  2:59 PM
I don't care what the roster is. A coach should be able to make in game adjustments, know when to call a time out, draw up a last play, etc. 'Antoni can't even do those things right.
He should delegate out the in-game coaching to someone else and stick to being an offensive coordinator.
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