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we dont need a 3rd star... we need depth 1-5
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fishmike
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3/3/2011  9:47 AM
I dont know what it would take to pry Mayo from Memphis. Maybe if they can afford to resign Gasol and Turiaf picks up his options Fields, Turiaf, Douglas and cash for Mayo.

The other deal I would try to swing is trading our pick on draft day and cash and get Mosgov back. Bring back Carter and Shawn Williams and JJ.

Im not sure how Jerome Jordan played in EU or if he's viewed as a viable NBA prospect at center. I know his FG% was crazy high. Hard to read #s over there

We would look like this:
PG Billups
SG Mayo
SF Melo
PF Amare
C Mosgov
bench: A Carter, SWilliams, JJ, Walker, Rautins, Balkman

I think Mosgov's size and ability to score by following guys to the basket, along with Mayo's quick release, play making and D on the wing we can compete for a title with that team.

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3/3/2011  10:14 AM
Fields is staying here - at one point, we have to keep at least ONE guy we draft. And I don't see that much more depth on that team compared to us now.
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3/3/2011  10:15 AM
I agree with the premise but not the execution.
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3/3/2011  10:25 AM
Absolutely not. This is a draft that is suited to our system. There's a ton of combo-forwards out there that we can pick up and get cheap production out of. There are a lot of raw, big PG prospects too.

Mozgov isn't expensive, but he's not on a cheap contract either. We'll be able to attract vets looking for a title for cheap now. Mozgov is not someone we need to chase.

Mayo's another ball stopper too. I think there are better fits out there. Flynn would be a nice get if Minny ends up in position to take a top PG AGAIN in the draft, or if Rubio comes over.

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3/3/2011  10:30 AM
I disagree. I can't see how that team could beat

Frank Williams
Maciej Lampe
Carmelo Anthony
Amar'e Stoudemire
Dwight Howard

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fishmike
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3/3/2011  10:45 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:Absolutely not. This is a draft that is suited to our system. There's a ton of combo-forwards out there that we can pick up and get cheap production out of. There are a lot of raw, big PG prospects too.

Mozgov isn't expensive, but he's not on a cheap contract either. We'll be able to attract vets looking for a title for cheap now. Mozgov is not someone we need to chase.

Mayo's another ball stopper too. I think there are better fits out there. Flynn would be a nice get if Minny ends up in position to take a top PG AGAIN in the draft, or if Rubio comes over.

how is Mayo a ball stopper? We need a SG with a quick release to keep defenders from sagging off into the paint. Seems like by the time Fields is ready to shoot he freaks cause there is a guy running at him.

The point of this thread is we need size and a shooter next to Amare and Melo. Where are they coming from?

John Wallace.. how many 6'8 combo forwards do we need? This is a 100% win now team. We need pieces in the next year that will help us win a title, or compete for one. I was all for standing pat and developing talent, but that kind of changed when we traded AR, Gallo, Chandler, Mosgov and Felton

JW.. is Justin Harper beating out Shawn Williams? Would he even be better? Keep in mind Shawn Williams is 6'9 with a 7'3 wingpsan, can really shoot it and plays tough for the Knicks. 17th pick 4 years ago. He's 25 now but seems to have himself straightened out pretty good.

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3/3/2011  10:58 AM
And if we don't get Mosgov back, are you still trading Turiaf?
No way I'd do that. Turiaf is our only enforcer big on the menu.
Until we can replace him, he stays.
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3/3/2011  11:02 AM
Fields will have to be resigned after next season no? D'Antoni makes productive players out of marginal wing players so a draft pick in a deep forward draft is valuable to me.

If we don't take a forward, there are a bunch of big PG's that need developing like Lee, Selby, etc.

If we can get vets for next to nothing, and the draft suits us, I'm just saying I don't see a need to make a trade, especially one sending out Fields for a guy who has had character issues and is an iso-scorer.

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3/3/2011  11:17 AM
Not a big fan of Mayo. Partly because I drafted him on my fantasy team and he has sucked all year long.

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Grizzlies want to dump him. Badly. Losing minutes to a rookie and Tony Allen.
tried to learn to play PG in summer league. crashed and burned.
will take away from development of Fields

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def. has a blue chip pedigree
friendly contract
fact that he tried to learn to play PG to backup Conley shows he's open to changing his game and working on it

if all we're looking for is a spot up shooter, there may be cheaper candidates who are at least better at that one thing.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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3/3/2011  11:34 AM
I like our role players. Sure we could use a real Stud C like Deandre Jordan, but our wings are a good fit for what we do. A stud SG would be great, but then Fields is coming along nicely and I love his size and that he thinks like a Forward. We need to find a young PG to add to the team too.
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3/3/2011  11:36 AM
nixluva wrote:I like our role players. Sure we could use a real Stud C like Deandre Jordan, but our wings are a good fit for what we do. A stud SG would be great, but then Fields is coming along nicely and I love his size and that he thinks like a Forward. We need to find a young PG to add to the team too.

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I'm in agreement with the premise of this thread. Aside from getting a big body or two in the middle, I don't think we really need another star. We need a center. We need someone like Turiaf that can actually play 30 mpg, and isn't injured every other game.

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3/3/2011  12:50 PM
Now with the new roster, maybe we can give Rautins another look just as a spot up shooter on a great team like John Paxson, Steve Kerr ... . In this new offense with all the double teams, maybe he can park behind the arc and fire away. He just might be the purest shooter we have. I would love to see what he can do. We don't need any more from him (besides defense :-)).
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/3/2011  12:58 PM
IMHO Knicks will not take on any salary that would interfere with 2012 class of free agents unless they all sign extensions tomorrow. No way trading for Mayo should interfere with trying to grab Deron or Howard.

My guess is that the Knicks will try to plug their Bigs deficiency this summer and try to convince some vets to take the vet min (it's a stretch no doubt).

Draft a young, bouncy big who is all rebounding and swatting shots. Take a flier and see if Dalembert and/or KMart would sign 1 year deals.

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3/3/2011  1:07 PM
We have Billups for now but who knows how long that will last? A guy like CP3 would get Melo and Amare incredibly easy shots and run the offense perfectly. We would get so many easy baskts. He makes passes Billups would never make honestly. Then assuming you have the MLE you can still get a decent big with that and then we draft a couple players and sign a few minimums.
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3/3/2011  1:10 PM
tj23 wrote:We have Billups for now but who knows how long that will last? A guy like CP3 would get Melo and Amare incredibly easy shots and run the offense perfectly. We would get so many easy baskts. He makes passes Billups would never make honestly. Then assuming you have the MLE you can still get a decent big with that and then we draft a couple players and sign a few minimums.

i dont think Paul has the 'stuff' anymore. i'd rather go after deron every day of the week and twice on sunday

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3/3/2011  1:13 PM
jimimou wrote:
tj23 wrote:We have Billups for now but who knows how long that will last? A guy like CP3 would get Melo and Amare incredibly easy shots and run the offense perfectly. We would get so many easy baskts. He makes passes Billups would never make honestly. Then assuming you have the MLE you can still get a decent big with that and then we draft a couple players and sign a few minimums.

i dont think Paul has the 'stuff' anymore. i'd rather go after deron every day of the week and twice on sunday


Nothing wrong with Deron. A lot of people believe he's just as good as Paul. I'll still go with CP3 all day.
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3/3/2011  1:14 PM
jimimou wrote:
tj23 wrote:We have Billups for now but who knows how long that will last? A guy like CP3 would get Melo and Amare incredibly easy shots and run the offense perfectly. We would get so many easy baskts. He makes passes Billups would never make honestly. Then assuming you have the MLE you can still get a decent big with that and then we draft a couple players and sign a few minimums.

i dont think Paul has the 'stuff' anymore. i'd rather go after deron every day of the week and twice on sunday

Same, but Howard before him.

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3/3/2011  1:14 PM
jimimou wrote:
tj23 wrote:We have Billups for now but who knows how long that will last? A guy like CP3 would get Melo and Amare incredibly easy shots and run the offense perfectly. We would get so many easy baskts. He makes passes Billups would never make honestly. Then assuming you have the MLE you can still get a decent big with that and then we draft a couple players and sign a few minimums.

i dont think Paul has the 'stuff' anymore. i'd rather go after deron every day of the week and twice on sunday

he doesnt... if you watch CP3 he's not that impressive on defense any more. Quite mediocre and thats takes him down a notch, because he's NOT a big player. Maybe Douglas is the next PG. Anything is possible. Billups won a finals MVP and he's always been mediocre floor general. He's a scorer, a ball handler and runs the 2 man game with precision. Douglas looked pretty damn good last night and I didnt see Melo or Amare not getting enough touches.

Turiaf is nice but the dude is glass.

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3/3/2011  1:16 PM
It's funny how this thread pops up only after we beat NOH. we beat the Hornets so Paul must suck lol. Paul should've had 20 assists too...
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3/3/2011  1:30 PM
tj23 wrote:It's funny how this thread pops up only after we beat NOH. we beat the Hornets so Paul must suck lol. Paul should've had 20 assists too...

It is a bit interesting to see how poorly Paul played though. I almost always see superstars elevate their game @ MSG b/c of the shiny lights and the courtside celebs and its rich history. I know it's still early but it really appears as if Deron would have the edge over Chris Paul, barring any chemistry issues from D-Will.

we dont need a 3rd star... we need depth 1-5

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