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Juice
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3/1/2011  11:46 PM
Melo looks Amar'e off a little too much

Melo is averaging 23FGA/gm WHY?

Billups is already the pulse of this team, not necessarily a good thing

Fields has been limited where he can roam in this offense and in his overall effectiveness

Douglas may been sleeping on the bench while Billups is on the court or totally oblivious to true point guard play

Billups is looking for fouls instead of playing basketball a little too much, which is working in his favor but not something I think helps the TEAM out

We aren't getting enough easy shots

We're not running

We aren't committed to defense collectively

We have no legit go to player off the bench

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3/1/2011  11:52 PM
Its really just a chemistry issue to me. You're starting to see them get the right spacing. They aren't used to eachother and they're not catching passes in rhythm ready to shoot like they were with the original group.

Give it a week and I bet you see this team blow up on some poor squad for 130 or so.

In a game like the one tonight, with all the foul shots, we should be able to score a ton more. If Williams just dropped his usual percentage from deep we would have won by ten.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/1/2011  11:53 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:Its really just a chemistry issue to me. You're starting to see them get the right spacing. They aren't used to eachother and they're not catching passes in rhythm ready to shoot like they were with the original group.

Give it a week and I bet you see this team blow up on some poor squad for 130 or so.

In a game like the one tonight, with all the foul shots, we should be able to score a ton more. If Williams just dropped his usual percentage from deep we would have won by ten.

Williams hasn't been any good from 3 for 2 months.

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3/2/2011  12:10 AM
That is a gross overreaction to a bad week from Williams, just like Fields has had a bad week since the trade. These guys need to catch the ball in rhythm, with space, and the new Knicks are still working on making that happen.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/2/2011  12:21 AM
shawne's been good... he was over 40 for jan... feb was not a good month for him but hopefully he'll get his stroke back....

if billups is healthy i have no worries about the offense... defense and rebounding is going to be a sore spot but hopefully we can figure something out come playoff time...

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3/2/2011  1:37 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:That is a gross overreaction to a bad week from Williams, just like Fields has had a bad week since the trade. These guys need to catch the ball in rhythm, with space, and the new Knicks are still working on making that happen.

This guy was shooting 58% from 3 two months ago. Nobody expects him to keep that % going but it has dropped to 43% after an awful month. Let's see if he rebounds from it. He's never shot over 36% from 3 and that was in his rookie year.

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3/2/2011  6:02 AM
So we're loosing because our cast off scrubs aren't performing?

We get three guys to put up 30 or close to it, and no one else sniffs double digits.

We have a balance problem.
May be helped if Billups is out so other guys step up their game.

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3/2/2011  6:52 AM
franco12 wrote:So we're loosing because our cast off scrubs aren't performing?

We get three guys to put up 30 or close to it, and no one else sniffs double digits.

We have a balance problem.
May be helped if Billups is out so other guys step up their game.

If Billups is out, we'll have Douglas taking 12-18 shots. This ought to be interesting...

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3/2/2011  6:54 AM
franco12 wrote:So we're loosing because our cast off scrubs aren't performing?

We get three guys to put up 30 or close to it, and no one else sniffs double digits.

We have a balance problem.
May be helped if Billups is out so other guys step up their game.

Whenever we play a team with a tall athletic center, and a quick pg who can shoot and penetrate, we will loose.....or we gave to play near perfect on both ends....

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3/2/2011  10:50 AM
Orlando is not a bad team. They beat OKC and the Lakers pretty handily last month. They have a legit MVP candidate and have been playing under the same coach for a while.

This new team has barely had any practice time together. MDA is going to have to figure out if the 2 new players (Fishlips, Brown) have a role on this squad and how to work them in. All this game to game fretting (of which I'm guilty of as well) is kind of pointless. I'm tempted to say let's wait till we have a training camp together and play at least half a season together before drawing any conclusions.

But let's at least wait till after a playoff series eh?

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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3/2/2011  10:53 AM
Juice wrote:
We're not running

This team is no longer built to run all the time. We will do that occasional running but Melo and Amare are just not the running type. The only way we run is if we can somehow tell Billy Walker to run at all times.

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3/2/2011  11:17 AM
It's a little alarming that Denver has won 3/4 games and it took a miracle three pointer by Roy to squeak out the win at home. Boston, Atlanta and Memphis are all pretty good teams.

Melo is a ball stopper and he will always be a ball stopper. Fields is going to struggle to get involved in the offense. It's not his fault Melo never picks his head up and is a volume/gunner that doesn't look for guys. Amare has been open a number of teams around the basket and

We looked like **** against the Bucks and Cavs, great against the heat and then collapse against the Magic. We did lose a lot of defense in the trade and didn't address our glaring need. But, hopefully Jefferies will pick up the slack. And wtf was Williams doing starting against Dwight Howard?

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3/2/2011  11:21 AM
MS wrote:It's a little alarming that Denver has won 3/4 games and it took a miracle three pointer by Roy to squeak out the win at home. Boston, Atlanta and Memphis are all pretty good teams.

Melo is a ball stopper and he will always be a ball stopper. Fields is going to struggle to get involved in the offense. It's not his fault Melo never picks his head up and is a volume/gunner that doesn't look for guys. Amare has been open a number of teams around the basket and

We looked like **** against the Bucks and Cavs, great against the heat and then collapse against the Magic. We did lose a lot of defense in the trade and didn't address our glaring need. But, hopefully Jefferies will pick up the slack. And wtf was Williams doing starting against Dwight Howard?

Denver is winning because their players compliment each other. They are a running team and that is the easiest type of team to coach. Just run, run then run some more. Our team is now set for the halfcourt. It is a more difficult set and it will take time. The only thing going for us is that the playoffs is built for halfcourt teams. Hopefully, we can figure it out before the 1st round.

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3/2/2011  1:16 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:Its really just a chemistry issue to me.

With a player like Melo, chemistry will always be an issue. Is it really any different from when he was in Denver?

Rose is not the answer.
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3/2/2011  1:41 PM
MS wrote:It's a little alarming that Denver has won 3/4 games and it took a miracle three pointer by Roy to squeak out the win at home. Boston, Atlanta and Memphis are all pretty good teams.

Melo is a ball stopper and he will always be a ball stopper. Fields is going to struggle to get involved in the offense. It's not his fault Melo never picks his head up and is a volume/gunner that doesn't look for guys. Amare has been open a number of teams around the basket and

We looked like **** against the Bucks and Cavs, great against the heat and then collapse against the Magic. We did lose a lot of defense in the trade and didn't address our glaring need. But, hopefully Jefferies will pick up the slack. And wtf was Williams doing starting against Dwight Howard?

Teams arent getting up to play the Denver Nuggets man. Teams bring their A game against Melo and Amare.

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Anji
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3/2/2011  2:08 PM
MS wrote:It's a little alarming that Denver has won 3/4 games and it took a miracle three pointer by Roy to squeak out the win at home. Boston, Atlanta and Memphis are all pretty good teams.

Melo is a ball stopper and he will always be a ball stopper. Fields is going to struggle to get involved in the offense. It's not his fault Melo never picks his head up and is a volume/gunner that doesn't look for guys. Amare has been open a number of teams around the basket and

We looked like **** against the Bucks and Cavs, great against the heat and then collapse against the Magic. We did lose a lot of defense in the trade and didn't address our glaring need. But, hopefully Jefferies will pick up the slack. And wtf was Williams doing starting against Dwight Howard?

Was it alarming when the knicks were 3-8 and Amare was turning the ball over a 7 times a game and "stopping" the ball????


It's easier to run a team like the Nuggets have right now, throwing the ball out like the 70's nuggets. They didn't anything other then a first round exit and the team they have now isn't even a playoff team imo.

When these knicks start to settle down though, they have the potential to be very good, so I don't think jumping the gun after 4 games is the thing to do. It took time for Amare to settle down with a bunch of role players on the team. Melo and Billups(though over the hill) are legitimate allstars, players with games that need to be catered to. Give them time.

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3/2/2011  2:33 PM
Williams showed some flashes of how good a player he can be. I bet he tears it up in practice, thats why he gets a lot of PT. That drive where he threw the ball in the rim was great. Walker had another god looking drive to the hoop as well.

I am not upset at yesterday's loss in the slightest, we were up by ten in the second half, the whole game was competitive, and we are probably gonna learn more from this loss than if we had won. At least we arent getting blown out by the good teams anymore, now when we face them, we expect to win which is a far cry from last year.

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3/2/2011  3:01 PM
Anji - Whatever hill Chauncey Billups is over, it was up there. (raising hand above head)

Chauncey Billups made only 4 field goals and had 30 points.

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3/2/2011  3:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/2/2011  3:10 PM
misterearl wrote:Anji - Whatever hill Chauncey Billups is over, it was up there. (raising hand above head)

Chauncey Billups made only 4 field goals and had 30 points.

They talked about this last night on NBATV Steve Smith and Kevin McHale hinting at the fact the league will review looking into foul calls.....Those of which players swing through raking the arms of defenders and quite possibly baiting guys into fouling them by cutting in front of them or jumping into them on jump shots. I've held previous discussions about this and now it seems like it's a league issue. Billups better milk this for as long as he can because I do sense some changes coming next year. Players only making plays looking for calls is hurting the league big time more than ever and many quality players are guilty of it from

Kevin Durant/Duncan/CP3 etc etc

When you go up for a shot having no intention of making the basket whatsoever only wanting a foul to be called.... really it should be a technical not a foul. This isn't basketball and it's pathetic to watch.

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3/2/2011  5:55 PM
They won't be able to stop What Chauncey does, cuz he does the same thing that guys do that use pump fakes. You get the guy running at you, pump fake and he's in the air, then you jump into him. Same as Chauncey driving and then stopping so that the chaser runs into him as he shoots. He's mastered the technique. For years Miller used to get guys to foul him by using that swim move up under their arms. Defenders need to realize the risk of just having your arms extended out reaching for the ball.
Some Observations Early On

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