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mreinman
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2/24/2011  9:56 AM
If yes, what the hell? Was it the trade exception from Curry that needed to go to Denver? I still don't get this ...
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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2/24/2011  10:05 AM
Why would you want to do it without the Minnesota part?
WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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2/24/2011  10:10 AM
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2/24/2011  10:16 AM
mreinman wrote:If yes, what the hell? Was it the trade exception from Curry that needed to go to Denver? I still don't get this ...

If Denver took Curry's contract then they would have been over the luxury tax. So they probably wouldn't have made the deal. The Knicks used the traded exemption they got from Minny to match up the salaries since Billups and Melo combine for like 30mil while what the knicks were giving up without Curry combined for like 16.

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2/24/2011  10:16 AM
mreinman wrote:If yes, what the hell? Was it the trade exception from Curry that needed to go to Denver? I still don't get this ...

Because Minnesota, well under the cap, is absorbing $11.3m in luxury cap implications for Denver. It's a financial part of the trade, not a talent/personnel part of the trade.

Plug the trade into ESPN's trade machine see how much Denver is sending out in salary, and how much they're taking back in. It's practically 2 to 1.

Not having to take back Curry's salary saves Denver a s***load of money.

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2/24/2011  10:19 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/24/2011  10:21 AM
orangeblobman wrote:Why would you want to do it without the Minnesota part?

Because WE essentially got nothing for Anthony Randolph..Nothing tangible anyway..I think mreinman's right -- I think it involved that trade exception somehow (still don't get exactly what happened there -- did we acquire it and then waive it???) but wtf about us? To walk away with nothing but Corey Brewer for AR is a little disappointing, esp when Donnie supposedly had a few opportunities to get a 1st round pick (who knows, if we did acquire a 1st rounder I'm sure we would've been forced to re-route it to DEN anyway ).. I actually think Brewer's a decent talent that could help us but he may not see the light of day here if last night was any indication--from the looks of it, he might be behind both Shawne Williams and Walker on the depth chart, not to mention he won't be back next year because of his price tag (almost $5M QO for next year) & our delicate salary cap situation moving forward. When you think about it like this, it's a little disappointing.

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2/24/2011  10:20 AM
Finestrg wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:Why would you want to do it without the Minnesota part?

Because WE essentially got nothing for Anthony Randolph..Nothing tangible anyway..I think mreinman's right -- I think it involved that trade exception somehow (still don't get exactly what happened there -- did we acquire it and then waive it???) but wtf about us? To walk away with nothing but Corey Brewer for AR is a little disappointing, esp when Donnie supposedly had a few opportunities to get a 1st round pick (who knows, if we did acquire a 1st rounder I'm sure we would've been forced to re-route it to DEN anyway).. I actually think Brewer's a decent talent that could help us but he may not see the light of day here if last night was any indication--from the looks of it, he might be behind both Shawne Williams and Walker on the depth chart, not to mention he won't be back next year because of his price tag (almost $5M QO for next year) & our delicate salary cap situation moving forward. When you think about it like this, it's a little disappointing.

What do you expect to get for a bum?

It's time to give up on this idea of "AR, superstar in the making".

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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2/24/2011  10:21 AM
orangeblobman wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:Why would you want to do it without the Minnesota part?

Because WE essentially got nothing for Anthony Randolph..Nothing tangible anyway..I think mreinman's right -- I think it involved that trade exception somehow (still don't get exactly what happened there -- did we acquire it and then waive it???) but wtf about us? To walk away with nothing but Corey Brewer for AR is a little disappointing, esp when Donnie supposedly had a few opportunities to get a 1st round pick (who knows, if we did acquire a 1st rounder I'm sure we would've been forced to re-route it to DEN anyway).. I actually think Brewer's a decent talent that could help us but he may not see the light of day here if last night was any indication--from the looks of it, he might be behind both Shawne Williams and Walker on the depth chart, not to mention he won't be back next year because of his price tag (almost $5M QO for next year) & our delicate salary cap situation moving forward. When you think about it like this, it's a little disappointing.

What do you expect to get for a bum?

It's time to give up on this idea of "AR, superstar in the making".

The rest of us have switch to, "Corey Brewer, superstar in the making".

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2/24/2011  10:27 AM
Finestrg wrote:Because WE essentially got nothing for Anthony Randolph..Nothing tangible anyway..

Sure they did, you're just thinking too literally.

Knicks got the ability to make the trade, because Denver might not have made it if they had to have Curry's salary on their cap figure when the luxury tax bill came.

If you need something more tangible than that, Knicks got the ability to swap Billups for Felton for Curry, because Knicks were over the cap and Billups makes almost twice as much as Felton.

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2/24/2011  10:27 AM
this is why Denver took our package. The Nets package was better if your building a team. There's no ifs about it. Our package saves Denver like $18mm from what I understand. Thats $18mm this year. Prorated your talking $8mm right into the owner's pocket. Lot of scratch to walk away from. Thats what made it happen. Walsh's relationship w/ Kahn makes this happen. Isiah cant get that trade done, plain and simple.
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2/24/2011  10:30 AM
Finestrg wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:Why would you want to do it without the Minnesota part?

Because WE essentially got nothing for Anthony Randolph..Nothing tangible anyway..I think mreinman's right -- I think it involved that trade exception somehow (still don't get exactly what happened there -- did we acquire it and then waive it???) but wtf about us? To walk away with nothing but Corey Brewer for AR is a little disappointing, esp when Donnie supposedly had a few opportunities to get a 1st round pick (who knows, if we did acquire a 1st rounder I'm sure we would've been forced to re-route it to DEN anyway ).. I actually think Brewer's a decent talent that could help us but he may not see the light of day here if last night was any indication--from the looks of it, he might be behind both Shawne Williams and Walker on the depth chart, not to mention he won't be back next year because of his price tag (almost $5M QO for next year) & our delicate salary cap situation moving forward. When you think about it like this, it's a little disappointing.

AR was used so that Minny would agree to eat Curry's contract from us so that Denver would accept the deal. Basically like giving up a draft pick to have a team absorb a players contract.

Don't mind Corey Brewer he averaged 13pts per game last season and has never played with players as good as Billups, Melo or Amare. And the coaching staff is an upgrade as well. He has a role as a perimeter defenders on the wing all set for him.

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2/24/2011  10:38 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/24/2011  10:41 AM
orangeblobman wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:Why would you want to do it without the Minnesota part?

Because WE essentially got nothing for Anthony Randolph..Nothing tangible anyway..I think mreinman's right -- I think it involved that trade exception somehow (still don't get exactly what happened there -- did we acquire it and then waive it???) but wtf about us? To walk away with nothing but Corey Brewer for AR is a little disappointing, esp when Donnie supposedly had a few opportunities to get a 1st round pick (who knows, if we did acquire a 1st rounder I'm sure we would've been forced to re-route it to DEN anyway).. I actually think Brewer's a decent talent that could help us but he may not see the light of day here if last night was any indication--from the looks of it, he might be behind both Shawne Williams and Walker on the depth chart, not to mention he won't be back next year because of his price tag (almost $5M QO for next year) & our delicate salary cap situation moving forward. When you think about it like this, it's a little disappointing.

What do you expect to get for a bum?

It's time to give up on this idea of "AR, superstar in the making".

A bum? WTF? That's so ludicrous...Says who? You? D'Antoni? LOL Come on fellas, what the hell's wrong with you guys..This dude has a ton of talent, he just didn't jive with this particular head coach for some reason..THAT'S IT! No conspiracy theories, OK? Nothing at all to do with 'he suddenly lost his athleticism, he forgot how to play, he was a cry baby, he was hurt, etc.' That's all nonsense...The dude just had an extremely short leash here -- F that, he didn't even have a leash---he had the little part that connects to the dog's collar, that's it...That's not how he should've been handled..Very nice future for this kid right here..Too bad some of you just couldn't see the talent and possibilities we had available to us while he was here..Backing D'Antoni on never playing this guy based on pure wild speculation is equally nutty btw..Some of you should know better..

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2/24/2011  10:40 AM
fishmike wrote:this is why Denver took our package. The Nets package was better if your building a team. There's no ifs about it. Our package saves Denver like $18mm from what I understand. Thats $18mm this year. Prorated your talking $8mm right into the owner's pocket. Lot of scratch to walk away from. Thats what made it happen. Walsh's relationship w/ Kahn makes this happen. Isiah cant get that trade done, plain and simple.

Hey you may be right -- if that's the case, then I'll have to learn to live with it.

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2/24/2011  10:56 AM
Finestrg wrote:This dude has a ton of talent, he just didn't jive with this particular head coach for some reason..THAT'S IT!

But the head coach is the head coach. So you can't get around that.

The dude just had an extremely short leash here -- F that, he didn't even have a leash---he had the little part that connects to the dog's collar, that's it...

You really need to stop pretending the Knicks as a team just show up every other day or 2 a hour before game time and then go home and not see each other until the next game.

There isn't a Knicks beat writer that won't tell you Randolph was an enigma in practice, frustrated his teammates and just never distinguished himself from ANY standpoint (motor, attitude, work ethic).

A LOT more went into WHY Randolph didn't play other than he struggled the first few games. Probably the same thing that convinced GS to give up on him and sign David Lee at 5 times the cost.

People that never saw the warning signs that GS put him into the deal in the first place were fooling themselves.

I'm not saying he won't ever be a productive player.

But you have to be living in a hole to not understand the guy has serious issues.

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2/24/2011  11:18 AM
Yeah, Randolph had no value here. Very athletic, but didn't play well in practice according to reports and looked like garbage when he did get on the court.
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2/24/2011  11:26 AM
Think of the math. Curry was owed about 5 million for the remainder of the year. (note - Even though we paid him more of this years salary, that comes back to us, can't circumvent cap rules with that.) Anyway, we sent 3 million in cash. Essentially Minny got AR from us for 2 million bucks and Brewer. I really can't imagine there wasn't a better deal available. Minny did great with AR and also with that guy from Miami last year...
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2/24/2011  11:41 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:Think of the math. Curry was owed about 5 million for the remainder of the year. (note - Even though we paid him more of this years salary, that comes back to us, can't circumvent cap rules with that.) Anyway, we sent 3 million in cash. Essentially Minny got AR from us for 2 million bucks and Brewer. I really can't imagine there wasn't a better deal available. Minny did great with AR and also with that guy from Miami last year...

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2/24/2011  11:45 AM
Yeah, Minnesota did well.

I will say this however. Look at Brewer's splits this season.

Statistically speaking, he hasn't been half bad the last month and a 1/2 or so.

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2/24/2011  11:53 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:Think of the math. Curry was owed about 5 million for the remainder of the year. (note - Even though we paid him more of this years salary, that comes back to us, can't circumvent cap rules with that.) Anyway, we sent 3 million in cash. Essentially Minny got AR from us for 2 million bucks and Brewer. I really can't imagine there wasn't a better deal available. Minny did great with AR and also with that guy from Miami last year...

Bigger picture is you got Melo that is what matters on the trade.

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Could we have gotten Melo without the Minnesota part?

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