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Knickoftime
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2/23/2011  5:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/23/2011  5:27 PM
First let's set the scene. A summer ago, the league watched Cleveland and Toronto (and to a degree Phoenix) get left with nothing for letting their free agent get to free agency.

While Denver got a nice package for Melo' (and could because of the CBA leverage they held), they went through 2/3rds of a season of turmoil.

The signs are already there the teams of future FA stars have learned the lessons. Utah shocks the NBA by getting out from under both possibilities preemptively. It is getting less likely that teams are going to go through what Cleveland and Denver went through.

So what is going the Knicks way to get Paul?

- Paul wants to be there. I think we can be reasonably sure he does at this point.

- The new CBA won't hold leverage over Paul. It may very well be restrictive (we'll get to that in a moment), but the uncertainty won't be a factor. He can't sign an extension with New Orleans until there is a new CBA. He won't need to fear the unknown the way 'Melo did. If the new CBA screws him, there isn't a thing he can do about it.

- New Orleans is a lot like Cleveland-James. They have a few nice players, but take Paul off the squad and they are lottery.

- Paul has been relatively healthy this year, which mean they'll solidly make the play-offs, but won't be a threat. They won't get Paul any help via the draft.

- Knicks, if they do not sign any players to contracts past next season, can get in the neighborhood of the cap space needed.

- There may not be that many teams with the need and means to get Paul, at least those who will be contenders, and as Paul sees all his contemporary starts lining up, he's not gonna want to go to some small market on the outside looking in.

I'd recommend looking at team's payrolls in 2012. I'm not seeing a lot of fits.

Bulls, Thunder, Celtics? Already got young PG's. Have other needs.

San Antonio? They have a PG too, and Ginobli and Duncan are near the end.

Dallas? No cap room, not a lot of offer and Nowitski in also on the wrong side of 34.

Orlando. Only if Howard stays AND they figure out how to get Paul. No cap room and not a lot of parts.

Lakers - probably targeting Howard but a threat for sure if they strike out and Bynum can stay healthy.

Miami - nothing to trade, no cap space to speak of. Would be overkill anyway.

Biggest threat might be the Clippers. Young talent and cap space. But Sterling, their history and the shadow they play in looms large.

- He has no ties or loyalty to the Hornets ownership

What is not going the Knicks way.

- Possibly the new CBA. A franchise, tag, or hugely advantageous new Bird Rights, or a hard cap kills it for everyone. Can't overlook this.

- NBA needs to find a new owner for the Hornets. The league running the team couldn't make the deal the Knicks would need to make.

- Knicks don't have a lot of talent to offer. Not if, ands, or buts about it. Certainly not comparable to what Utah just got or the Nuggets got. They cannot overwhelm NO with picks or players.

So how do they pull it off?

The Blueprint.

Chris Paul, again, freed from the uncertainly of the new CBA, tells New Orleans new ownership group that unless traded to NY, he WILL leave somewhere as a free agent in the off season. No if, ands or buts. He will not extend with another team in season.

At that point what can the Knicks give to entice New Orleans? It's not what they can give, it's what they can take.

Knicks could conceivably take back Emeka Okafor AND Trevor Ariza in a Paul deal. Here's the math:

Paul (16.4), Okafor (12.5), and Ariza (6.8) make $35.7 between them next season, with Okafor and Ariza are due $44m between then in the subsequent two seasons.

How can the Knicks match $35.7m?

First you chop off 25% due to the 125% trade rule, which brings you down to $28.5m. if the Knicks can find that in 2011-12 salary, a trade can be made and that saves New Orleans another $8.2m, bringing their running total up to $52.2m in savings while they rebuild.

Do the Knicks have that? They can.

Billups (14.2), Turiaf (4.4), Balkman (1.7) get you up to $20.3m, leaving you another $8.2m to find. The first two are expiring, but Balkman has 1 more year, so subtract his $1.7m off what you're saving NO. But Knicks throw in $3m and the savings now jump back up to $53.5m.

The other $8.2 comes from a variety of sources

Douglas (1.1) and Walker (.9) are $2m.

Rautins is $800k. Williams, Shelden, Carter can all be signed to 1-year minimum deals and traded 2 months into the season. Anybody can really.

Azubuike can be signed for whatever the Knicks want to give him to a one-year deal. Giving him more money than he rightfully deserves would give the Knicks an extra expiring for the season. Would be up to the Knicks to find the number that makes sense.

And there is Brewer at a $5m QO.

A word about this - Brewer likely will NOT going to command more than this on the open market, so the Knicks would be doing him a favor just to extend him the QO. What do they ask for in turn? Assurance he will waive his right to block a trade should the opportunity present itself.

So the money, if the Knicks prepare correctly, could be there. Brewer and Azubuike could conceivably let you take out Balkman too.

Then of course you have Fields, and the 2011 first (making around $1.25m) as the talent sweeteners.

So the outstanding questions are these?

Would the new ownership of a borderline team who IS lottery bound without their star, at risk of losing him for NOTHING and would certainly have to rebuild without him, trade their star for not a heck of lot of talent or picks back, but for $53.3m (maybe $55m) in payroll savings?

I can't say the answer is yes, but I think it's a legitimate question to ask... and again I’d suggest fans look at the payrolls and needs of other contenders and near contenders. I don’t think you’ll find a lot of options that make sense other than the Clips.

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2/23/2011  5:55 PM
Nice job. It's close. REAL CLOSE, but there's a chance things could work. That darned CBA is a real scary thing right now. I hope the players keep things as close to how they are as possible. If i'm the Knicks tho, i'm looking for a PG in the draft and any other possible young PG that could also be had, just in case there's no match for CP3. To me it's not CP3 or bust. I'm gonna be keeping my eyes open for another option, cuz the financial situation may make it near impossible to add another Max level type of player, but a young stud will be cheaper and could provide close enough productivity depending on talent. Gotta keep options open.
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2/23/2011  5:59 PM
What are the Cap rules for bringing someone up from the D-league? What are the limitations on bringing someone up at a high price? Are there exemptions that allow you to exceed the cap to bring someone up?
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2/23/2011  6:02 PM
BlueSeats wrote:What are the Cap rules for bringing someone up from the D-league? What are the limitations on bringing someone up at a high price? Are there exemptions that allow you to exceed the cap to bring someone up?

Nothing specially geared towards D-League players.

Same rules apply. Cap space. Exemptions. Minimum contracts.

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2/23/2011  6:04 PM
Deron Williams is in his way, if the Nets stink it up next year and he sees the Knicks risisng he will jump ship imo.
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2/23/2011  6:09 PM
dude--Forget it. We need to spend any money we have on parts on a team. Do you have any idea about team basketball? Can you name me the last team that won a championship dominated by three players? You are fixated on something that makes no sense in the team game. Let start with a good PG from this draft for 1mm--in two years. We wont have the money for a max FA and we should concentrate any and all funds on pieces that can create a team that goes 10 deep.
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2/23/2011  6:10 PM
Mray20 wrote:Deron Williams is in his way, if the Nets stink it up next year and he sees the Knicks risisng he will jump ship imo.

Or Dwight Howard.

Imagine a front line of Howard, Amare, Melo. Fields, Aging Min Vet Billups or Rautins.

REALLY BIG 3.

I would target Howard. And the Knicks will have the cap room, all things being equal, in summer 2012.

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2/23/2011  6:13 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Can you name me the last team that won a championship dominated by three players?

The '07-'08 Celtics bring any bells for you?

I take if you're not worried too much about the Heat then?

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2/23/2011  6:17 PM
Elite players make up for a lot and Lebron proved that. The Cavs imploded after he left. We don't have Lebron, but we've got 2 top 10 guys and it makes things easy for the other guys on the court. You add another Star and it almost doesn't matter who you put out there with them. it's not like we have No one. We just have specific needs at C and Backup PG. I think we'll be able to address those needs cheaply.
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2/23/2011  6:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/23/2011  6:26 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Can you name me the last team that won a championship dominated by three players?

The '07-'08 Celtics bring any bells for you?

I take if you're not worried too much about the Heat then?

c Kenridck perkins
F KG
F P Pierce
G Ray Allen
G Rajon Rondo
6th man James Posey
Big baby
Eddie House
Tony allen
Leon Powe
they added PJ brown Sam cassell

They played a 12 man roster/rotation at times in the playoffs--you might not remember that:)

That was one of the best defensive teams of all time my man.

The Heat have diversified players and still are hawking Mike Miller becaue they ahev 0 assets to acquire additional help. how many times have the heat beat the Cs this year--0

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2/23/2011  6:26 PM
That's 1061 words.
WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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2/23/2011  6:29 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Can you name me the last team that won a championship dominated by three players?

The '07-'08 Celtics bring any bells for you?

I take if you're not worried too much about the Heat then?

c Kenridck perkins
F KG
F P Pierce
G Ray Allen
G Rajon Rondo
6th man James Posey
Big baby
Eddie House
Tony allen
Leon Powe
they added PJ brown Sam cassell

They played a 12 man roster/rotation at times in the playoffs--you might not remember that:)

That was one of the best defensive teams of all time my man.

The Heat have diversified players and still are hawking Mike Miller becaue they ahev 0 assets to acquire additional help. how many times have the heat beat the Cs this year--0

Perkins was nobody at the time Big baby was nobody at the time and nobody knew Rondo would be anything special either as I recall , Paul Pierce sucked as a defender until Garnett and Allen got there to help the load btw. You can get or draft roll players and the Knicks will do that , also I feel Dwight Howard will clog up the lane and clash with Amare so we need a top flight point guard or shooting guard and as far as I know there are no top shooting guards available.

No layups!
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2/23/2011  6:32 PM
I love the thought of Paul and Williams fighting to take less than max to play here in 2012.
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2/23/2011  6:32 PM
orangeblobman wrote:That's 1061 words.

I find I don't want to read any posts longer than about 100 words.

https:// It's not so hard.
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2/23/2011  6:32 PM
Mray20 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Can you name me the last team that won a championship dominated by three players?

The '07-'08 Celtics bring any bells for you?

I take if you're not worried too much about the Heat then?

c Kenridck perkins
F KG
F P Pierce
G Ray Allen
G Rajon Rondo
6th man James Posey
Big baby
Eddie House
Tony allen
Leon Powe
they added PJ brown Sam cassell

They played a 12 man roster/rotation at times in the playoffs--you might not remember that:)

That was one of the best defensive teams of all time my man.

The Heat have diversified players and still are hawking Mike Miller becaue they ahev 0 assets to acquire additional help. how many times have the heat beat the Cs this year--0

Perkins was nobody at the time Big baby was nobody at the time and nobody knew Rondo would be anything special either as I recall , Paul Pierce sucked as a defender until Garnett and Allen got there to help the load btw. You can get or draft roll players and the Knicks will do that , also I feel Dwight Howard will clog up the lane and clash with Amare so we need a top flight point guard or shooting guard and as far as I know there are no top shooting guards available.

Doesnt matter dude--it shows you you need to find the pieces-that what we should be working on from here on in. Are we going to make excuses for 2 more years with so called 2 top 10 players on the team get real they better go 20-8 to end the season for whatw e paid. we already went 13-1 right and we didnt have two top 10 players:)

RIP Crushalot😞
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2/23/2011  6:34 PM
Knixkik wrote:I love the thought of Paul and Williams fighting to take less than max to play here in 2012.

Im sure theyll sign for the vets minimum and share time.

RIP Crushalot😞
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2/23/2011  6:37 PM
BRIGGS wrote:c Kenridck perkins
F KG
F P Pierce
G Ray Allen
G Rajon Rondo
6th man James Posey
Big baby
Eddie House
Tony allen
Leon Powe
they added PJ brown Sam cassell

They played a 12 man roster/rotation at times in the playoffs--you might not remember that:)

That was one of the best defensive teams of all time my man.

In 2007-2008, most of those players weren't the players they are now.

Cassel played 17 games that year.

Davis was a rookie second round draft pick that year.

Rondo was a second year, 21st pick, who didn't have a terribly impressive rookie season.

Have you not made the argument you can't build a sufficient supporting roster via the draft?

The big 3 dominated that team, and guess what, made the supporting cast better. Part of the reason why Perkins, Davis and Rondo became the players they did was because they "grew up" on a good team.

You're not being genuine to suggest that when those trades went down the entire NBA world wondered who the hell was going to step up around them.

Or you simply don't remember.

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2/23/2011  6:45 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:c Kenridck perkins
F KG
F P Pierce
G Ray Allen
G Rajon Rondo
6th man James Posey
Big baby
Eddie House
Tony allen
Leon Powe
they added PJ brown Sam cassell

They played a 12 man roster/rotation at times in the playoffs--you might not remember that:)

That was one of the best defensive teams of all time my man.

In 2007-2008, most of those players weren't the players they are now.

Cassel played 17 games that year.

Davis was a rookie second round draft pick that year.

Rondo was a second year, 21st pick, who didn't have a terribly impressive rookie season.

Have you not made the argument you can't build a sufficient supporting roster via the draft?

The big 3 dominated that team, and guess what, made the supporting cast better. Part of the reason why Perkins, Davis and Rondo became the players they did was because they "grew up" on a good team.

You're not being genuine to suggest that when those trades went down the entire NBA world wondered who the hell was going to step up around them.

Or you simply don't remember.

How can you compare KG in his prime to any of these players--hes a top 5 all time defender in the NBA??? Carmelo and Amare are one dimensioanl mid range shooters in--should not be that hard to guard the Knicks and they sck on the D.

RIP Crushalot😞
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2/23/2011  6:46 PM
i just dont see it happening guys. We have to sign a midlevel exemption if it is still there and then he has to be a great value in order for this to actually happen....my opinion for any chance
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2/23/2011  6:48 PM
then reuse that midlevel player and ship him back out, I just dont see a 8 player trade for cp3 with garbage just because Cp3 said so....even if so i think its highly unlikely. We still have GS 2 2nd rounders. Thats where i get upset why we had to give in with our own 2nd rounders + Mosgov!
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