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VDesai
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2/22/2011  12:29 AM
Since we traded Mozgov and Sheldon plays center, there's a good chance he might become part of the rotation. So what's his deal?

-Former 2 time NCAA defensive player of the year, was a 4 year player for Duke and came into the draft as one of the nation's top rebounders and shotblockers

-Duke's all time leading rebounder and shotblocker

-5th overall pick by Atlanta, taken ahead of Brandon Roy and Rudy Gay (ouch). Starts 31 games and averages 5.5 rebounds in under 19 mins a game, but is dreadful offensively

-Starts his sophomore year poorly and is traded by Atlanta in a blockbuster deal for Mike Bibby.

-Doesn't play particularly well and gets buried by a series of centers drafted by Sacramento

-Rather than pay his expensive no.5 draft slot contract, his option doesn't get picked up and he becomes a journeyman, all the while with a good rebound rate.

-Plays well for Denver in the preseason, makes it back into the rotation. Averaging 5.3 rpg in only 17 mins. Owns a career average of 4.4 rpg in 14 mpg.

So it seems like he can help NYK's rebounding in the near term, and was a great shotblocker in college. Is he a diamond in the rough? Probably not since his offense is so dreadful. But he can be a potential asset in the rotation with rebounding and shotblocking.


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2/22/2011  12:31 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2011  12:32 AM
This is his deal:

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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2/22/2011  12:32 AM
few Duke players make great pros. It's weird and I don't get it, because the Duke players that turn out turn out great. I just think he was bigger than others in college and he doesn't have the physical gifts to be good at the pros... he's like a stiff Euro. He's no Ibaka
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2/22/2011  12:33 AM
Every time I see him, it seems like he's alway getting his shot blocked. He finishes inside like Oak, but he doesn't have Oak's mid-range J to make up for it.
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2/22/2011  12:34 AM
Here's hoping he can contribute. Sheldon's name was the one that caught my eye when the trade fillers from Denver were finally reported.
I really haven't followed him at all since Atlanta, but I do remember him being best known for his rebounding/blocking.

I doubt he's here past this season, but any big body is a plus at this point.
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2/22/2011  12:34 AM
The only good thing about Shelden Williams is Candace Parker.
VDesai
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2/22/2011  12:34 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:few Duke players make great pros. It's weird and I don't get it, because the Duke players that turn out turn out great. I just think he was bigger than others in college and he doesn't have the physical gifts to be good at the pros... he's like a stiff Euro. He's no Ibaka

I never liked him much, but I didn't anticipate him being this much of a wayward player. I thought he would be a Tyrone Hill type.

That said his rebounding is pretty good. He had a really good preseason for the Nuggets and had a lot of good games at the beginning of the year. He's probably the best rebounder on the Knicks roster by a large margin at this point.
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2/22/2011  12:35 AM
This man plain sicks.
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2/22/2011  12:36 AM
He brings Candace Parker to the Garden, so.... whatever?
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2/22/2011  12:37 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:few Duke players make great pros. It's weird and I don't get it, because the Duke players that turn out turn out great. I just think he was bigger than others in college and he doesn't have the physical gifts to be good at the pros... he's like a stiff Euro. He's no Ibaka

MDA's system is apparently similar to the one Coach K runs at Duke - so maybe it'll be a fit here.

I actually liked Shelden back at the time of the draft.

I hope he gets a look here, we certainly need bigs.

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2/22/2011  12:39 AM
crzymdups wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:few Duke players make great pros. It's weird and I don't get it, because the Duke players that turn out turn out great. I just think he was bigger than others in college and he doesn't have the physical gifts to be good at the pros... he's like a stiff Euro. He's no Ibaka

MDA's system is apparently similar to the one Coach K runs at Duke - so maybe it'll be a fit here.

I actually liked Shelden back at the time of the draft.

I hope he gets a look here, we certainly need bigs.

MDA system? Why do you think we will play this kind of thing?

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2/22/2011  12:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2011  12:44 AM
he is an upgrade over mozgov based solely on his ability to get boards:

TRR
Mozgov - 13.1
Williams - 18.1

That alone will put him in the rotation however he is a black hole on offense particularly scoring around the rim.
At the rim - 48.5
<10 ft - 42.1

he's solid defender in the post but he's pretty much a throwback mid 90s bruiser in the mold of reggie evans.

he has limited upside but come playoff time he is a body to put up against some of the bigger frontcourts in the east in particular, against carlos boozer and the bulls. if we're going to win a 7 game series he's going to have to be a huge reason.

an underrated aspect of the deal is also we're going to improve, in a small but not insignificant, in the rebounding department. him along with melo should help some in that regard.
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2/22/2011  12:44 AM
FistOfOakley wrote:he is an upgrade over mozgov based solely on his ability to get boards:

TRR
Mozgov - 13.1
Williams - 18.1

That alone will put him in the rotation however he is a black hole on offense particularly scoring around the rim.
At the rim - 48.5
<10 ft - 42.1

he's solid defender in the post but he's pretty much a throwback mid 90s bruiser in the mold of reggie evans.

he has limited upside but come playoff time he is a body to put up against some of the bigger frontcourts in the east in particular, against carlos boozer and the bulls. if we're going to win a 7 game series he's going to have to be a huge reason.

an underrated aspect of the deal is also we're going to improve, in a small but not insignificant, in the rebounding department him along with melo should help some in that regard.

definitely this year but doubtful in a couple

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2/22/2011  12:45 AM
You should compare the first grader with high school student.
You will get even better results.
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2/22/2011  12:45 AM
crzymdups wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:few Duke players make great pros. It's weird and I don't get it, because the Duke players that turn out turn out great. I just think he was bigger than others in college and he doesn't have the physical gifts to be good at the pros... he's like a stiff Euro. He's no Ibaka

MDA's system is apparently similar to the one Coach K runs at Duke - so maybe it'll be a fit here.

I actually liked Shelden back at the time of the draft.

I hope he gets a look here, we certainly need bigs.

I didn't dislike him either. At the very least, this is another high IQ player added to the roster. I think it's kinda cool the Fields, Rautins, Douglas, Brewer, and Williams all developed in the college system. I think they're equipped to maximize what they need to bring to the table

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2/22/2011  12:47 AM
the likelihood that mozgov would still look at rebounds 3 years from now is about even.

how many project centers pan out? and when i mean pan out, become useful rotation players? like 10% if that?
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2/22/2011  12:47 AM
FistOfOakley wrote:he is an upgrade over mozgov based solely on his ability to get boards:

TRR
Mozgov - 13.1
Williams - 18.1

That alone will put him in the rotation however he is a black hole on offense particularly scoring around the rim.
At the rim - 48.5
<10 ft - 42.1

he's solid defender in the post but he's pretty much a throwback mid 90s bruiser in the mold of reggie evans.

he has limited upside but come playoff time he is a body to put up against some of the bigger frontcourts in the east in particular, against carlos boozer and the bulls. if we're going to win a 7 game series he's going to have to be a huge reason.

an underrated aspect of the deal is also we're going to improve, in a small but not insignificant, in the rebounding department. him along with melo should help some in that regard.

Yeah, Melo has better rebounding numbers than either Chandler or Gallo and Shelden will hit the glass.

Shelden hasn't gotten any burn in his career because of his horrible offense. Maybe he can work with Phil Weber and develop some kind of jumper. I doubt it would be as good as David Lee's, but if he can stick a few a la Charles Oakley, than he will stay in the league for a long while because of rebounding ability and intimidation down low.
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2/22/2011  1:00 AM
he can hit a jumper and when i say hit it, he's better than reggie evans in that regard. teams are still going to give him that shot though.

when he's on the floor we're just going to iso melo or amar'e like what we were doing with mozgov so i don't think his offensive is as bad of a detriment.

as far as what we needed, a rebounder who can defend, he can do all those things even though he is very flawed player. if he gets a consistent jumpshot he can carve out a really nice career ala udonis haslem.

getting him was very good imo.
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2/22/2011  2:28 AM
You know, we got much better at rebounding with this trade.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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2/22/2011  2:31 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2011  2:31 AM
Shelden Williams is a legitimate monster. Like, he eats people. You will learn to fear him.
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