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2/20/2011  2:18 PM
This is a tough sell for Knicks. Dolan tried to rehire Isiah last summer. Then put out statement saying he still values his advice.
6 minutes ago via web
Unusual move for Knicks to issue statement. Clearly worried about Isiah/Dolan stories and indications of Dolan/Walsh rift over Melo.
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Knicks statement: "...we want to make it clear that no one from outside our organization has been involved in this process in any way."
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Knicks statement (cont): "Together, we will do what is best for the long-term success of the franchise."
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Knicks statement (cont): "...and the three of us are in complete agreement with everything that we are currently working on."
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Knicks statement: "We want to make it abundantly clear that we have been in constant communication throughout this process...
17 minutes ago via web
Knicks trying to calm the storm around Carmelo talks, with joint statement from Dolan, Walsh and D'Antoni asserting they are on same page
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2/20/2011  2:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/20/2011  2:48 PM
This process has gotten so out of control...Fans are upset that the owner of a billion dollar interprise is involved in the process of aquiring a top talent and he promptly responds...Amazing...
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2/20/2011  2:55 PM
Even if it is bull, nice to see that the public opinion still important in NYC.
People like Dolan and Isiah can ignore it but they will face the consequences.
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2/20/2011  3:08 PM
What consequences, you hear more people on the radio say they will become Net fans if the Knicks don't aquire Melo...
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2/20/2011  3:11 PM
holfresh wrote:What consequences, you hear more people on the radio say they will become Net fans if the Knicks don't aquire Melo...
I don't think Anthony would turn around the Nets. I think those new fans would be gone after a month of Nets basketball.
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2/20/2011  3:13 PM
Woj is not the only guy who has been saying this about Isiah. Berger, Beck, ESPN and various other news agencies have said this about Dolan and Isiah. Woj just covered it more deeply.

Forgive me but this statement actually proves that Isiah IS working with the team. Dolan is afraid of the PR backlash he is receiving and the fan revolt. Problem for him is that it's already out there. Nobody is going to believe his dumb ass now. It's because of him these rumors started and it's because of him that they are probably true.

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2/20/2011  3:18 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Woj is not the only guy who has been saying this about Isiah. Berger, Beck, ESPN and various other news agencies have said this about Dolan and Isiah. Woj just covered it more deeply.

Forgive me but this statement actually proves that Isiah IS working with the team. Dolan is afraid of the PR backlash he is receiving and the fan revolt. Problem for him is that it's already out there. Nobody is going to believe his dumb ass now. It's because of him these rumors started and it's because of him that they are probably true.

It doesn't prove anything. The final proof will be in whether Walsh is retained. Until then it's all speculation.

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2/20/2011  3:19 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Woj is not the only guy who has been saying this about Isiah. Berger, Beck, ESPN and various other news agencies have said this about Dolan and Isiah. Woj just covered it more deeply.

Forgive me but this statement actually proves that Isiah IS working with the team. Dolan is afraid of the PR backlash he is receiving and the fan revolt. Problem for him is that it's already out there. Nobody is going to believe his dumb ass now. It's because of him these rumors started and it's because of him that they are probably true.

Bro, The only reason Dolan or Isiah is involved (if there is any thruth to it), is because of what came out after LeBrongate...The Knicks/Donnie was said to be the worst presentor seen by LeBron...They could not relate...Donnie could not get a second interview with LeBron...Isiah had to make the call before they answered, not that they were coming anyway...If Dolan is stepping up to push the ball across the goal line because he lost confidence so be it...You have that right when you pay salaries...

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2/20/2011  3:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/20/2011  3:36 PM
holfresh wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Woj is not the only guy who has been saying this about Isiah. Berger, Beck, ESPN and various other news agencies have said this about Dolan and Isiah. Woj just covered it more deeply.

Forgive me but this statement actually proves that Isiah IS working with the team. Dolan is afraid of the PR backlash he is receiving and the fan revolt. Problem for him is that it's already out there. Nobody is going to believe his dumb ass now. It's because of him these rumors started and it's because of him that they are probably true.

Bro, The only reason Dolan or Isiah is involved (if there is any thruth to it), is because of what came out after LeBrongate...The Knicks/Donnie was said to be the worst presentor seen by LeBron...They could not relate...Donnie could not get a second interview with LeBron...Isiah had to make the call before they answered, not that they were coming anyway...If Dolan is stepping up to push the ball across the goal line because he lost confidence so be it...You have that right when you pay salaries...

LeBron was never coming to the Knicks. Save me that BS about presentations. He, Bosh and Wade agreed to become free agents together. When they had the opportunity to all go on one team, they took it. It had nothing to do with Walsh. NOTHING.

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2/20/2011  3:35 PM
holfresh wrote:This process has gotten so out of control...Fans are upset that the owner of a billion dollar interprise is involved in the process of aquiring a top talent and he promptly responds...Amazing...

Agreed. Why is it that when the Nets are involved, all you hear about is Prok (owner) holding meetings Lebron and now Melo and no one says a word. But then Dolan sits down for a meeting that was reportedly requested by Melo, all of a sudden the propaganda wheels start spinning....

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2/20/2011  3:44 PM
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holfresh wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Woj is not the only guy who has been saying this about Isiah. Berger, Beck, ESPN and various other news agencies have said this about Dolan and Isiah. Woj just covered it more deeply.

Forgive me but this statement actually proves that Isiah IS working with the team. Dolan is afraid of the PR backlash he is receiving and the fan revolt. Problem for him is that it's already out there. Nobody is going to believe his dumb ass now. It's because of him these rumors started and it's because of him that they are probably true.

Bro, The only reason Dolan or Isiah is involved (if there is any thruth to it), is because of what came out after LeBrongate...The Knicks/Donnie was said to be the worst presentor seen by LeBron...They could not relate...Donnie could not get a second interview with LeBron...Isiah had to make the call before they answered, not that they were coming anyway...If Dolan is stepping up to push the ball across the goal line because he lost confidence so be it...You have that right when you pay salaries...

LeBron was never coming to the Knicks. Save me that BS about presentations. He, Bosh and Wade agreed to become free agents together. When they had the opportunity to all go on one team, they took it. It had nothing to do with Walsh. NOTHING.

There were several reports out last week that MDA could possibly to holding up the deal...As owner, I think it's better he find out what the deal is, rather than allowing the guy you pay to coach the team, make organiztional decisions...As owner I think it's only fair..

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2/20/2011  3:47 PM
holfresh wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Woj is not the only guy who has been saying this about Isiah. Berger, Beck, ESPN and various other news agencies have said this about Dolan and Isiah. Woj just covered it more deeply.

Forgive me but this statement actually proves that Isiah IS working with the team. Dolan is afraid of the PR backlash he is receiving and the fan revolt. Problem for him is that it's already out there. Nobody is going to believe his dumb ass now. It's because of him these rumors started and it's because of him that they are probably true.

Bro, The only reason Dolan or Isiah is involved (if there is any thruth to it), is because of what came out after LeBrongate...The Knicks/Donnie was said to be the worst presentor seen by LeBron...They could not relate...Donnie could not get a second interview with LeBron...Isiah had to make the call before they answered, not that they were coming anyway...If Dolan is stepping up to push the ball across the goal line because he lost confidence so be it...You have that right when you pay salaries...

LeBron was never coming to the Knicks. Save me that BS about presentations. He, Bosh and Wade agreed to become free agents together. When they had the opportunity to all go on one team, they took it. It had nothing to do with Walsh. NOTHING.

There were several reports out last week that MDA could possibly to holding up the deal...As owner, I think it's better he find out what the deal is, rather than allowing the guy you pay to coach the team, make organiztional decisions...As owner I think it's only fair..

That's fine. I know he's the owner. Thanks for telling me. Doesn't mean the owner has to be a complete fool and push out capable GM's like Walsh for garbage like Isiah. I understand you have a soft spot in your heart for Zeke and aren't a big fan of Walsh, for whatever reason, but having Isiah Thomas make this trade for us is just awful. Just awful.

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2/20/2011  3:55 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Woj is not the only guy who has been saying this about Isiah. Berger, Beck, ESPN and various other news agencies have said this about Dolan and Isiah. Woj just covered it more deeply.

Forgive me but this statement actually proves that Isiah IS working with the team. Dolan is afraid of the PR backlash he is receiving and the fan revolt. Problem for him is that it's already out there. Nobody is going to believe his dumb ass now. It's because of him these rumors started and it's because of him that they are probably true.

Bro, The only reason Dolan or Isiah is involved (if there is any thruth to it), is because of what came out after LeBrongate...The Knicks/Donnie was said to be the worst presentor seen by LeBron...They could not relate...Donnie could not get a second interview with LeBron...Isiah had to make the call before they answered, not that they were coming anyway...If Dolan is stepping up to push the ball across the goal line because he lost confidence so be it...You have that right when you pay salaries...

LeBron was never coming to the Knicks. Save me that BS about presentations. He, Bosh and Wade agreed to become free agents together. When they had the opportunity to all go on one team, they took it. It had nothing to do with Walsh. NOTHING.

There were several reports out last week that MDA could possibly to holding up the deal...As owner, I think it's better he find out what the deal is, rather than allowing the guy you pay to coach the team, make organiztional decisions...As owner I think it's only fair..

That's fine. I know he's the owner. Thanks for telling me. Doesn't mean the owner has to be a complete fool and push out capable GM's like Walsh for garbage like Isiah. I understand you have a soft spot in your heart for Zeke and aren't a big fan of Walsh, for whatever reason, but having Isiah Thomas make this trade for us is just awful. Just awful.

Aside from my Isiah soft spot, I think we certainly are offering too much as well...If you want to believe it's all Isiah well thats all on you...But I'll guarantee you this, All 30 owners of NBA teams will be involved in making decisions on the guy they are about to pay 80 mil...

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2/20/2011  3:57 PM
holfresh wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Woj is not the only guy who has been saying this about Isiah. Berger, Beck, ESPN and various other news agencies have said this about Dolan and Isiah. Woj just covered it more deeply.

Forgive me but this statement actually proves that Isiah IS working with the team. Dolan is afraid of the PR backlash he is receiving and the fan revolt. Problem for him is that it's already out there. Nobody is going to believe his dumb ass now. It's because of him these rumors started and it's because of him that they are probably true.

Bro, The only reason Dolan or Isiah is involved (if there is any thruth to it), is because of what came out after LeBrongate...The Knicks/Donnie was said to be the worst presentor seen by LeBron...They could not relate...Donnie could not get a second interview with LeBron...Isiah had to make the call before they answered, not that they were coming anyway...If Dolan is stepping up to push the ball across the goal line because he lost confidence so be it...You have that right when you pay salaries...

LeBron was never coming to the Knicks. Save me that BS about presentations. He, Bosh and Wade agreed to become free agents together. When they had the opportunity to all go on one team, they took it. It had nothing to do with Walsh. NOTHING.

There were several reports out last week that MDA could possibly to holding up the deal...As owner, I think it's better he find out what the deal is, rather than allowing the guy you pay to coach the team, make organiztional decisions...As owner I think it's only fair..

That's fine. I know he's the owner. Thanks for telling me. Doesn't mean the owner has to be a complete fool and push out capable GM's like Walsh for garbage like Isiah. I understand you have a soft spot in your heart for Zeke and aren't a big fan of Walsh, for whatever reason, but having Isiah Thomas make this trade for us is just awful. Just awful.

Aside from my Isiah soft spot, I think we certainly are offering too much as well...If you want to believe it's all Isiah well thats all on you...But I'll guarantee you this, All 30 owners of NBA teams will be involved in making decisions on the guy they are about to pay 80 mil...

Yes, and 99% of them will not be soliciting advice from the worst GM in franchise history.

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2/20/2011  3:59 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Woj is not the only guy who has been saying this about Isiah. Berger, Beck, ESPN and various other news agencies have said this about Dolan and Isiah. Woj just covered it more deeply.

Forgive me but this statement actually proves that Isiah IS working with the team. Dolan is afraid of the PR backlash he is receiving and the fan revolt. Problem for him is that it's already out there. Nobody is going to believe his dumb ass now. It's because of him these rumors started and it's because of him that they are probably true.

Bro, The only reason Dolan or Isiah is involved (if there is any thruth to it), is because of what came out after LeBrongate...The Knicks/Donnie was said to be the worst presentor seen by LeBron...They could not relate...Donnie could not get a second interview with LeBron...Isiah had to make the call before they answered, not that they were coming anyway...If Dolan is stepping up to push the ball across the goal line because he lost confidence so be it...You have that right when you pay salaries...

LeBron was never coming to the Knicks. Save me that BS about presentations. He, Bosh and Wade agreed to become free agents together. When they had the opportunity to all go on one team, they took it. It had nothing to do with Walsh. NOTHING.

There were several reports out last week that MDA could possibly to holding up the deal...As owner, I think it's better he find out what the deal is, rather than allowing the guy you pay to coach the team, make organiztional decisions...As owner I think it's only fair..

That's fine. I know he's the owner. Thanks for telling me. Doesn't mean the owner has to be a complete fool and push out capable GM's like Walsh for garbage like Isiah. I understand you have a soft spot in your heart for Zeke and aren't a big fan of Walsh, for whatever reason, but having Isiah Thomas make this trade for us is just awful. Just awful.

Aside from my Isiah soft spot, I think we certainly are offering too much as well...If you want to believe it's all Isiah well thats all on you...But I'll guarantee you this, All 30 owners of NBA teams will be involved in making decisions on the guy they are about to pay 80 mil...

Yes, and 99% of them will not be soliciting advice from the worst GM in franchise history.

I don't think any of them will be letting the coach all the shots on the future of the organization either...

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2/20/2011  4:03 PM
holfresh wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Woj is not the only guy who has been saying this about Isiah. Berger, Beck, ESPN and various other news agencies have said this about Dolan and Isiah. Woj just covered it more deeply.

Forgive me but this statement actually proves that Isiah IS working with the team. Dolan is afraid of the PR backlash he is receiving and the fan revolt. Problem for him is that it's already out there. Nobody is going to believe his dumb ass now. It's because of him these rumors started and it's because of him that they are probably true.

Bro, The only reason Dolan or Isiah is involved (if there is any thruth to it), is because of what came out after LeBrongate...The Knicks/Donnie was said to be the worst presentor seen by LeBron...They could not relate...Donnie could not get a second interview with LeBron...Isiah had to make the call before they answered, not that they were coming anyway...If Dolan is stepping up to push the ball across the goal line because he lost confidence so be it...You have that right when you pay salaries...

LeBron was never coming to the Knicks. Save me that BS about presentations. He, Bosh and Wade agreed to become free agents together. When they had the opportunity to all go on one team, they took it. It had nothing to do with Walsh. NOTHING.

There were several reports out last week that MDA could possibly to holding up the deal...As owner, I think it's better he find out what the deal is, rather than allowing the guy you pay to coach the team, make organiztional decisions...As owner I think it's only fair..

That's fine. I know he's the owner. Thanks for telling me. Doesn't mean the owner has to be a complete fool and push out capable GM's like Walsh for garbage like Isiah. I understand you have a soft spot in your heart for Zeke and aren't a big fan of Walsh, for whatever reason, but having Isiah Thomas make this trade for us is just awful. Just awful.

Aside from my Isiah soft spot, I think we certainly are offering too much as well...If you want to believe it's all Isiah well thats all on you...But I'll guarantee you this, All 30 owners of NBA teams will be involved in making decisions on the guy they are about to pay 80 mil...

Yes, and 99% of them will not be soliciting advice from the worst GM in franchise history.

I don't think any of them will be letting the coach all the shots on the future of the organization either...

I have not heard one report of the coach calling any shots. Walsh has more power than D'Antoni, or should I say had.

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2/20/2011  4:12 PM
@Childs2Dudley

Heres an article that outlines MDA's fears of adding Melo....Take it for what its worth.

http://newyork.sbnation.com/new-york-knicks/2011/2/18/2000965/carmelo-anthony-trade-mike-dantoni-knicks-coach

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Heres an article that outlines MDA's fears of adding Melo....Take it for what its worth.

http://newyork.sbnation.com/new-york-knicks/2011/2/18/2000965/carmelo-anthony-trade-mike-dantoni-knicks-coach

He may have fears, but all coaches do. I'm sure he would sign off if we weren't trading so much. And if he didn't, Walsh makes the decisions on the roster, not MDA.

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2/20/2011  4:25 PM
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Uptown wrote:@Childs2Dudley

Heres an article that outlines MDA's fears of adding Melo....Take it for what its worth.

http://newyork.sbnation.com/new-york-knicks/2011/2/18/2000965/carmelo-anthony-trade-mike-dantoni-knicks-coach

He may have fears, but all coaches do. I'm sure he would sign off if we weren't trading so much. And if he didn't, Walsh makes the decisions on the roster, not MDA.


MDA is not shaking in his boots if we get Melo. " He also knows that if the Knicks do get (Anthony), then it's not on Donnie anymore, it's on him." All NBA coaches who are worth anything, are into competing - getting good players and get the challenge to win. But he does have to integrate the new players into his system; get them to learn the moves, tendencies of the other players, etc. That will take some time. However, if we do get Melo, Billups, and Carter, those are 3 veterans who have a ton of experience and should be able to integrate into the system.
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