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2/17/2011  5:29 PM
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6126780
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2/17/2011  5:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/17/2011  5:44 PM
Really lame topic, man. Listening to SAS scream on the radio about how Gallo, Chandler and Fields COMBINED don't offer what Melo does, is just plain ign'ant.

Ever heard of playing D? Chandler does it, Fields does it, Gallo does it. They all do it rather well.
Ever heard of grabbing boards? Fields leads the league in that dpartment (among ALL back court players). Melo...below average rebounder.
Ever heard of ball movement? These three guys are all unselfish with the rock. Melo is a ball stopper. Not necessarily a great idea in MDA's system.
Ever heard of team chemistry? These three guys have already established GREAT chemistry and they all want to be here. Melo is an unknown in this department, so there's no way to compare.

My point: SAS is a ratings whore, just like all the beat guys trying to outdo each other. *BLEEP* him.

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2/17/2011  5:43 PM
aienjell wrote:http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6126780

STFU

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2/17/2011  5:43 PM
Moonangie wrote:Really lame topic, man. Listening to SAS scream on the radio about how Gallo, Chandler and Fields COMBINED don't offer what Melo does, is just plain ign'ant.

Ever heard of playing D? Chandler does it, Fields does it, Gallo does it. They all do it rather well.
Ever heard of grabing boards? Fields leads the league in that dpartment (among ALL back court players). Melo...below average rebounder.
Ever heard of ball movement? These three guys are all unselfish with the rock. Melo is a ball stopper. Not necessarily a great idea in MDA's system.
Ever heard of team chemistry? These three guys have already established GREAT chemistry and they all want to be here. Melo is an unknown in this department, so there's no way to compare.

My point: SAS is a ratings whore, just like all the beat guys trying to outdo each other. *BLEEP* him.

same. I can't understand why anyone would listen to him.

Ask SAS how you build a contender after giving away everything you got.

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2/17/2011  5:50 PM
SAS is a moron. It amazes me that he has a job doing what he does.
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2/17/2011  5:51 PM
Moonangie wrote:Really lame topic, man. Listening to SAS scream on the radio about how Gallo, Chandler and Fields COMBINED don't offer what Melo does, is just plain ign'ant.

Ever heard of playing D? Chandler does it, Fields does it, Gallo does it. They all do it rather well.
Ever heard of grabing boards? Fields leads the league in that dpartment (among ALL back court players). Melo...below average rebounder.
Ever heard of ball movement? These three guys are all unselfish with the rock. Melo is a ball stopper. Not necessarily a great idea in MDA's system.
Ever heard of team chemistry? These three guys have already established GREAT chemistry and they all want to be here. Melo is an unknown in this department, so there's no way to compare.

My point: SAS is a ratings whore, just like all the beat guys trying to outdo each other. *BLEEP* him.

how can a guy who's ranked 4th in the NBA in rebound rate at his position be considered a below average rebounder? Gerald Wallace's a below average rebounder too considering they're tied in Hollinger's rankings:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?position=sf&sort=reboundRate&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fhollinger%2fstatistics%3fposition%3dsf%26sort%3dreboundRate

as for being a ball stopper, i dunno what makes u say that Melo can score in the flow of the offense he's done so his entire career... yes he's also a terrific isolation player & can also score in the post... his offensive versatility is what makes him elite.

in regards to team chemistry, he has never had any problems in that area on every single team he's been on, whether you're talking about his NCAA champion team at 'Cuse or any of his Nuggets teams who made the playoffs every year he's been there.

what SAS says is beyond the point, he's gonna rant that's what he does, u should know that by now.

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2/17/2011  6:04 PM
TMS wrote:
Moonangie wrote:Really lame topic, man. Listening to SAS scream on the radio about how Gallo, Chandler and Fields COMBINED don't offer what Melo does, is just plain ign'ant.

Ever heard of playing D? Chandler does it, Fields does it, Gallo does it. They all do it rather well.
Ever heard of grabing boards? Fields leads the league in that dpartment (among ALL back court players). Melo...below average rebounder.
Ever heard of ball movement? These three guys are all unselfish with the rock. Melo is a ball stopper. Not necessarily a great idea in MDA's system.
Ever heard of team chemistry? These three guys have already established GREAT chemistry and they all want to be here. Melo is an unknown in this department, so there's no way to compare.

My point: SAS is a ratings whore, just like all the beat guys trying to outdo each other. *BLEEP* him.

how can a guy who's ranked 4th in the NBA in rebound rate at his position be considered a below average rebounder? Gerald Wallace's a below average rebounder too considering they're tied in Hollinger's rankings:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?position=sf&sort=reboundRate&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fhollinger%2fstatistics%3fposition%3dsf%26sort%3dreboundRate

as for being a ball stopper, i dunno what makes u say that Melo can score in the flow of the offense he's done so his entire career... yes he's also a terrific isolation player & can also score in the post... his offensive versatility is what makes him elite.

in regards to team chemistry, he has never had any problems in that area on every single team he's been on, whether you're talking about his NCAA champion team at 'Cuse or any of his Nuggets teams who made the playoffs every year he's been there.

what SAS says is beyond the point, he's gonna rant that's what he does, u should know that by now.

If you look/listen beyond the ranting and raving, the message is pretty mush on point. Cant compare the impact of a player of Melo's status to fringe players like Chandler and Gallo. This goes beyond numbers...Its like comparing Lee and Harrington's numbers to Stat. It doesn't work that way.

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2/17/2011  6:12 PM
I actually don't mind him as an entertainer, especially since he does talk about basketball a fair amount versus football offseason or baseball hot stove minutia. This hyped homer act he's doing is funny.

But calling for people's jobs? This is an over-.500 ballclub with a 1st team all star going into the break that is currently second in our division and 6th in the conference. Considering where we've been the last decade, that's a GOOD job.

I'm still sore over that McDyess trade. Sure would have been nice to have a few more years of a young Camby, right? Hell, people around here were pining for an old Marcus Camby!

Hindsight is 20/20. Melo and Amar'e are great but all players are just an injury away from being a suit model. SAS just got a NY job back, so him talking about calling for other people's jobs like a blue-balled homer is comical.

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2/17/2011  6:16 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:I'm still sore over that McDyess trade. Sure would have been nice to have a few more years of a young Camby, right? Hell, people around here were pining for an old Marcus Camby!

We lost Camby AND Nene from that deal. It was goddamn horrible.

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2/17/2011  6:17 PM
knickstorrents wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:I'm still sore over that McDyess trade. Sure would have been nice to have a few more years of a young Camby, right? Hell, people around here were pining for an old Marcus Camby!

We lost Camby AND Nene from that deal. It was goddamn horrible.

Exactly. I'm in no rush to do Denver any favors.

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2/17/2011  6:27 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:I'm still sore over that McDyess trade. Sure would have been nice to have a few more years of a young Camby, right? Hell, people around here were pining for an old Marcus Camby!

We lost Camby AND Nene from that deal. It was goddamn horrible.

Exactly. I'm in no rush to do Denver any favors.

in this case i don't think we'd be doing them any favors in taking Melo off their hands, it's not like they're crazy about the idea of trading him to begin with... he's their franchise stud still in his prime no baggage, no major injury risks to speak of... McKnee on the other hand was a disaster waiting to happen, he was coming off a full season of inactivity due to microfracture, what kinda idiot trades away a #7 lottery pick & a talented young starting C for a player with that kind of health history?

gives me the chills even thinking about that awful trade. *brrr*

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2/17/2011  6:34 PM
Uptown wrote:
TMS wrote:
Moonangie wrote:Really lame topic, man. Listening to SAS scream on the radio about how Gallo, Chandler and Fields COMBINED don't offer what Melo does, is just plain ign'ant.

Ever heard of playing D? Chandler does it, Fields does it, Gallo does it. They all do it rather well.
Ever heard of grabing boards? Fields leads the league in that dpartment (among ALL back court players). Melo...below average rebounder.
Ever heard of ball movement? These three guys are all unselfish with the rock. Melo is a ball stopper. Not necessarily a great idea in MDA's system.
Ever heard of team chemistry? These three guys have already established GREAT chemistry and they all want to be here. Melo is an unknown in this department, so there's no way to compare.

My point: SAS is a ratings whore, just like all the beat guys trying to outdo each other. *BLEEP* him.

how can a guy who's ranked 4th in the NBA in rebound rate at his position be considered a below average rebounder? Gerald Wallace's a below average rebounder too considering they're tied in Hollinger's rankings:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?position=sf&sort=reboundRate&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fhollinger%2fstatistics%3fposition%3dsf%26sort%3dreboundRate

as for being a ball stopper, i dunno what makes u say that Melo can score in the flow of the offense he's done so his entire career... yes he's also a terrific isolation player & can also score in the post... his offensive versatility is what makes him elite.

in regards to team chemistry, he has never had any problems in that area on every single team he's been on, whether you're talking about his NCAA champion team at 'Cuse or any of his Nuggets teams who made the playoffs every year he's been there.

what SAS says is beyond the point, he's gonna rant that's what he does, u should know that by now.

If you look/listen beyond the ranting and raving, the message is pretty mush on point. Cant compare the impact of a player of Melo's status to fringe players like Chandler and Gallo. This goes beyond numbers...Its like comparing Lee and Harrington's numbers to Stat. It doesn't work that way.

i agree i think Melo makes a much bigger impact on this franchise than any role players we currently have will, but i don't think we should have to give up every single piece we have, we can't cave into every single demand DEN makes they're not the ones in the driver's seat in these negotiations... get Melo but let's be reasonable about it... make a quality offer, not a lowball offer but also not a sell your soul to Isiah offer either.

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2/17/2011  6:42 PM
No doubt TMS, but three of our starters (Gallo/Chandler/Fields/Felton), an extra-large expiring (Curry) and maybe a pick (do we have any for the next 5 years?) for Melo & Billups is a LOT to give up, and that's what I keep hearing as the basic offer on the table. That's doing Denver a favor IMHO. I believe one of these guys could become an all-star in a couple years (a la David Lee), and you have to think of value in this equation. Sure these guys aren't Melo, but they don't get paid like Melo, which allows you some flexibility, which seems like the Donnie Walsh mantra.

And in terms of the teamwork thing, it's not that Melo isn't a teamwork type of guy, but he's only one guy! (Despite what they portray in his commercials.) There's something to be said about a core of guys who are familiar with each other and their coach's system (insert '04 Pistons reference here). One of these guys go down, the others can pick up the slack.

And even though he is awesome, a SF isn't even what we really need right now! Defensive center and backup point with 3-range is what we need. If we can get that at an affordable price and get to the second-round of the playoffs for the next couple of years, that is a good thing.

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2/17/2011  7:04 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:No doubt TMS, but three of our starters (Gallo/Chandler/Fields/Felton), an extra-large expiring (Curry) and maybe a pick (do we have any for the next 5 years?) for Melo & Billups is a LOT to give up, and that's what I keep hearing as the basic offer on the table. That's doing Denver a favor IMHO. I believe one of these guys could become an all-star in a couple years (a la David Lee), and you have to think of value in this equation. Sure these guys aren't Melo, but they don't get paid like Melo, which allows you some flexibility, which seems like the Donnie Walsh mantra.

And in terms of the teamwork thing, it's not that Melo isn't a teamwork type of guy, but he's only one guy! (Despite what they portray in his commercials.) There's something to be said about a core of guys who are familiar with each other and their coach's system (insert '04 Pistons reference here). One of these guys go down, the others can pick up the slack.

And even though he is awesome, a SF isn't even what we really need right now! Defensive center and backup point with 3-range is what we need. If we can get that at an affordable price and get to the second-round of the playoffs for the next couple of years, that is a good thing.

i dunno i happen to think the offer being talked about in the papers seems pretty fair when you consider we'd be able to keep at least 1 of our top 3 young players (Landry/Gallo/Wilson) along with either Mozgov or AR... Felton replaced by Billups is more than fine by me, i probably trust Billups a lot more in a playoff scenario anyways... yes the deal pretty much erases any cap flexibility for the summer but that flexibility is gone anyway if we wait to sign Melo as a FA & we're losing Wilson & AR at the bare minimum even in that scenario.

then consider if we miss out on Melo as a FA, what is the other option, to sign Marc Gasol to a big contract? i don't view him as a game changing piece for our franchise, & all accounts say the Grizzlies are making it a priority to re-sign him this summer... to me the sole purpose we wasted the past 2 years dumping salaries was to have this opportunity to acquire a franchise level stud, not a couple of role players like a defensive C & backup PG... if getting to the 2nd round of the playoffs is your ultimate goal we easily can achieve that with this Melo trade right now, & who knows after that if Mozgov turns out to be worth anything or some other role players are added to low money deals the way Miami added guys like Joel Anthony & Carlos Arroyo, that pretty much fills the positions you're looking to fill anyway.

waiting to sign Melo carries risks, & if making that talked about trade as it's been outlined in recent articles means we're guaranteed of getting Melo in a Knicks uniform, i think we should do it... to me, 2 of our young guys & AR is not too heavy a price to pay to get Melo... that's just losing 1 more young guy than we're gonna lose anyway even if we wait til free agency & hope we can sign him... the benefit is we get him a few months early & get him acclimated to this system & we see this team have a chance to at least make some noise in the playoffs rather than see them taken out with the quickness in the 1st round the way Isiah's team was... after that who knows what will happen with CP3 in 2012, he might force his way to NY just like Melo did... at least then we'd still have a couple young assets along with Billups' expiring contract to offer to get him, no?

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2/17/2011  7:22 PM
Here is our team after the trade


out
Mosgov
Fields
Chandler
Gallo
felton

Randoplph moved to minny

in

Melo
Billups

team

C-Turriaf(well one every three games)
F Amare
F melo
G i dont know
G Billups

back up C i dont know
F I dont know
G T Douglas
G Walker
Looks like S williams is out for a bit

this team would get KILLED then we have NO cap space--Billups could walk turiaf isnt a starter and you will get a dleague back up

Like I said SA STFU! This team can still be great WITHOUT melo as we enhance it--either come for a reasonable price come in FA or dont come!!! How many chips does melo have???

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2/17/2011  7:26 PM
out
Mosgov
Fields
Chandler
Gallo
felton

Randoplph moved to minny

who said that's gonna be the trade?

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2/17/2011  7:31 PM
TMS wrote:
out
Mosgov
Fields
Chandler
Gallo
felton

Randoplph moved to minny

who said that's gonna be the trade?


As far as I have read--that is what Denver wants to complete a trade. It came from several sources so it sounds legit--they wanted a lot from the Nets.
If they choose not to take less and feel they can do better in a S+T or maybe even convince melo to stay--thats that.

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2/17/2011  7:34 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:
out
Mosgov
Fields
Chandler
Gallo
felton

Randoplph moved to minny

who said that's gonna be the trade?


As far as I have read--that is what Denver wants to complete a trade. It came from several sources so it sounds legit--they wanted a lot from the Nets.
If they choose not to take less and feel they can do better in a S+T or maybe even convince melo to stay--thats that.

ESPN reported the package as being Gallo, Felton, another starter, Curry & a 1st rd pick a couple days ago... i'm assuming the other starter is either Landry, Wilson or Mozgov, not all 3.

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2/17/2011  7:57 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:
out
Mosgov
Fields
Chandler
Gallo
felton

Randoplph moved to minny

who said that's gonna be the trade?


As far as I have read--that is what Denver wants to complete a trade. It came from several sources so it sounds legit--they wanted a lot from the Nets.
If they choose not to take less and feel they can do better in a S+T or maybe even convince melo to stay--thats that.

I'm all about getting Melo here, but not at that cost.

At some point like the Nets, we need to be willing to walk away...

Trading every starter except Stat is just too steep, taking back Billups or not.

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2/17/2011  8:05 PM
TMS wrote:
out
Mosgov
Fields
Chandler
Gallo
felton

Randoplph moved to minny

who said that's gonna be the trade?


That is the trade that I have heard also. It seems like Denver is attempting to negotiate thru the media. What I have heard is that they approached the Lakers and the Nets in regards to Anthony and that they are encouraging Anthony to meet with Prokorhov. I think the only way the Knicks do that deal is if Dolan somehow becomes involved. There is a chance that Denver management maybe anticipating something in the the new CBA that would make it much harder for Anthony to leave the team if he isn't traded.
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